Death Row Sniper Has Final Appeal Refused

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The Washington DC Sniper who went on a three-week shooting spree which left 10 people dead, is to be executed tonight after the US Supreme Court refused a last-minute appeal.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...n_Muhammad_Gulf_War_Veteran_Killed_10_In_2002

 

[gotham123]

hmm, i am against the death penalty, but this guy is evil...

 

[Hot Mega]

Justice will be served.:thumbsup: The only problem I have is with the fact that Lee Boyd Malvo (sp?) won't face the same fate.

 

[gotham123]

justice is the wrong word, i'm not defending him because he's a monster
but killing another person won't bring back the ones he killed

 

[Jagger69]

I've commented on this subject many many times. Killing this asshole won't bring the victims back to life....if all you want is blood vengeance, then go ahead and kill him but I don't see how that makes you any different from him. I personally want nothing to do with deliberately killing anyone who poses no further threat to anyone. That is the quintessential definition of murder in my book. He deserves to spend the remainder of his miserable life doing hard time in solitary with only basic necessities being provided. Looks like he won't get it. That's justice....American-style.

This time, the death warrant will list the killers as the people of the commonwealth of Virginia instead of the state of Texas where I live and where so many have been sent to the death chamber in my name so at least there's no blood on my hands here.

 

[gotham123]

I've commented on this subject many many times. Killing this asshole won't bring the victims back to life....if all you want is blood vengeance, then go ahead and kill him but I don't see how that makes you any different from him. I personally want nothing to do with deliberately killing anyone who poses no further threat to anyone. That is the quintessential definition of murder in my book. He deserves to spend the remainder of his miserable life doing hard time in solitary with only basic necessities being provided. Looks like he won't get it. That's justice....American-style.

This time, the death warrant will list the killers as the people of the commonwealth of Virginia instead of the state of Texas where I live and where so many have been sent to the death chamber in my name so at least there's no blood on my hands here.

that's exactly how i feel

 

[Hot Mega]

justice is the wrong word, i'm not defending him because he's a monster
but killing another person won't bring back the ones he killed

That would be the wrong interpretation of what "justice" means then. Justice is as much about punishment as it is about restitution. However, punishment is always available where restitution (the bringing of someone else back as a result in this case) may not be.

For some crimes the highest sanction (forfeiture of one's right to live) is the only appropriate justice IMO.

"The death penalty doesn't deter crimes...". So what? We know if that murderer is put to death he will be deterred because he won't kill again.

Now I'm all for making sure the process as sound as it can be but some crimes simply require the ultimate sanction for justice to be served IMO.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Death penalty has been used in way to arbitrary a manner to ever be justified.Too many innocents have been sentenced to death and state sponsored killing is not justifiable anyway.The rest of the civilized world has already come to that conclusion.Time for America to catch up.Let him rot in jail for 50 years or so thats good enough.

 

[gotham123]

That would be the wrong interpretation of what "justice" means then. Justice is as much about punishment as it is about restitution. However, punishment is always available where restitution (the bringing of someone else back as a result in this case) may not be.

For some crimes the highest sanction (forfeiture of one's right to live) is the only appropriate justice IMO.

"The death penalty doesn't deter crimes...". So what? We know if that murderer is put to death he will be deterred because he won't kill again.

Now I'm all for making sure the process as sound as it can be but some crimes simply require the ultimate sanction for justice to be served IMO.

but revenge certainly isn't justice, an eye for an eye is bullshit
i'd stick the man in jail for the rest of his life w/ little human contact, it'd drive him mad in a matter of weeks to the point where he'd want death, at which point i would not give it to him, he needs to keep his ass on earth not take the easy way out, think if he committed suicide people would get the same out come but without the direct revenge they feel that that isn't justice, they'd feel cheated out of seeing him squirm

it's just that i think jail is worse than death and heinous crimes such as this deserve worse than death

but yeah all the innocent people murdered by the government because they weren't guilty, all the people in jail now for something they didnt do
this needs to end

 

[Hot Mega]

Death penalty has been used in way to arbitrary a manner to ever be justified.Too many innocents have been sentenced to death and state sponsored killing is not justifiable anyway.The rest of the civilized world has already come to that conclusion.Time for america to catch up.Let him rot in jail for 50 years or so thats good enough.

I am definitely pained by the notion of an innocent person losing his/her freedom much less unjustifiably losing their life but when you say, "let him rot in jail for 50 years or so..." is "good enough". "Good enough" for whom?

My only other consideration is if there is some sentiment by the family, survivors or some sentiment posthumously conveyed on behalf of the victim which pleads for leniency.

Beyond that, certain crimes are so heinous that the forfeiture of one's life is the only sanction that mets justice IMO.

but revenge certainly isn't justice, an eye for an eye is bullshit

But who said justice was about vengeance? Justice is never about vengeance, it's about punishment.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Too bad it is only lethal injection after what this guy did.

In some cases I am against the death penalty, and sometimes I am all for it. In this guy's case, I am all for it. Kill him.

 

[gotham123]

i just get this sense that most family members are hoping for relief at the thought that the person is dead, a relief that never comes, that is my idea of revenge

but death is not a desicion left to man it's a higher forces reasoning, killing him is doing the exact same thing you're killing him for, really people can't serve out true justice

 

[Shadowfax 10]

I'm against the death penalty so perhaps longer life sentences in jail.

 

[Hot Mega]

i just get this sense that most family members are hoping for relief at the thought that the person is dead, a relief that never comes, that is my idea of revenge

but death is not a desicion left to man it's a higher forces reasoning, killing him is doing the exact same thing you're killing him for, really people can't serve out true justice

No. I don't know what the families feel but it's not about them. The crime is against the state and the victim....and no matter what they feel they can't necessarily speak for the person who was murdered and robbed of their place and potential.

Speaking of murder....all killing is not murder. His victims were murdered....killed unjustly. When a murderer is killed as a punishment for their crimes....you may argue that a different punishment may have sufficed but no one can reasonably argue a cold blooded murderer is killed unjustly.

 

[Mauser98k]

justice is the wrong word, i'm not defending him because he's a monster
but killing another person won't bring back the ones he killed

nope, but it makes other people feel better that a douchebag is dead. the death penalty isn't used enough.

 

[BlueBalls]

But who said justice was about vengeance? Justice is never about vengeance, it's about punishment.

But that isn't what the death penalty is. The death penalty isn't punishing someone. It's an act of revenge by the state on behalf of the victims and their families. That's not justice.

Maybe the process leading up to the act itself is somewhat of a punishment, but after the deed is done, who's being punished? The criminal is dead; his brain now does not have the cognitive capabilities to process any information at all. If you don't know you're being punished does it make it so?

"Justice is never about vengeance". In terms of the death penalty, I beg to differ.

 

[gotham123]

But that isn't what the death penalty is. The death penalty isn't punishing someone. It's an act of revenge by the state on behalf of the victims and their families. That's not justice.

Maybe the process leading up to the act itself is somewhat of a punishment, but after the deed is done, who's being punished? The criminal is dead; his brain now does not have the cognitive capabilities to process any information at all. If you don't know you're being punished does it make it so?

"Justice is never about vengeance". In terms of the death penalty, I beg to differ.

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i've got work to do but i think you can speak on my behalf

 

[Hot Mega]

But that isn't what the death penalty is. The death penalty isn't punishing someone. It's an act of revenge by the state on behalf of the victims and their families. That's not justice.

Maybe the process leading up to the act itself is somewhat of a punishment, but after the deed is done, who's being punished? The criminal is dead; his brain now does not have the cognitive capabilities to process any information at all. If you don't know you're being punished does it make it so?

"Justice is never about vengeance". In terms of the death penalty, I beg to differ.

The forfeiture of anything (including one's life) as a sanction is prima facie punishment. Vengeance is retaliation.

You could argue punishment and retaliation are cousins but they're not one and the same.

I guess the best example I can demonstrate is children who are loved experience punishment for the actions. Children that are abused experience vengeance for their actions.

 

[Red Spyder]

Life, liberty and property cannot be taken without due process. Due process was served. Though I wish, just so that death penalty opponents don't get their feelings hurt, that he had been killed at the crime scene, just like that other lunatic at Ft. Hood, and saved us a lot of trouble.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Life, liberty and property cannot be taken without due process. Due process was served. Though I wish, just so that death penalty opponents don't get their feelings hurt, that he had been killed at the crime scene, just like that other lunatic at Ft. Hood, and saved us a lot of trouble.

Not to mention the tax dollars for having to keep him fed and taken care of while serving his time up to this point.