Foil hat?
Oh come on hedonis.. I can easily accept the end of the world, but I'll never, EVER, believe that people put tinfoil on their heads (I use lead.. better, but fucks up your neck muscles)
Could the world end in nine days?
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Foil hat?
Oh come on hedonis.. I can easily accept the end of the world, but I'll never, EVER, believe that people put tinfoil on their heads (I use lead.. better, but fucks up your neck muscles)
ChefChiTown
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that's really all i need to think about right now thanks.
From what I have seen, the media does "pick-up" on the case for decay by Hawking radiation. The article posted by the OP states "(CERN), says that these mini black holes will vanish as quickly as they are created."
The article's main claim isn't pure nonsense. They state "the black holes it will create could destroy the world."
That is the issue. As you correctly state our theoretical and circumspect understanding of the risks and the processes that resolve them are indeed "still very topical". (Probably only resolved by switching on the LHC) That is why the exact likelihood of an entirely safe result is more difficult to pin down with absolute precision. Those who claim absolute certainty (which you correctly do not) are being misleading.
The question being posed is..
Given that the risk is not nil, is it acceptable for this group to decide to take the risk on behalf of everyone else? To put it another way, would you allow someone to shoot at your child with an unsighted M107 .50 Caliber Rifle from 7,400 yd if it would benefit society? The odds of a hit are extremely low. Would you want input in the decision? More time to have a global consensus on the risks involved?
I see where you are coming from. "Is it simply to satisfy scientists' curiosity about the world and it's beginnings?" (some would argue this alone is enough) "What are the practical advantages to the world at large?"
These experiments are trying to answer some of the most fundamental questions possible. So regarding the practical applications - the sky is the limit. New plentiful sources of fuel. Better material technologies. Faster space travel. Improved forms of communication. And all the innumerable things we haven't yet thought of....
We won't know anything at the end of 9 days anyway.
September 10 is the scheduled day to begin commissioning the beams and shoot protons around the full circumference. Then initial collisions will be at 450 GeV which is lower energies than existing colliders such as Fermilab. It will be several more weeks before the scheduled first collisions at 10 TeV center of mass energy. It won't be until 2009 after the winter shutdown that full 14 TeV energies are reached.
September 10 is the scheduled day to begin commissioning the beams and shoot protons around the full circumference. Then initial collisions will be at 450 GeV which is lower energies than existing colliders such as Fermilab. It will be several more weeks before the scheduled first collisions at 10 TeV center of mass energy. It won't be until 2009 after the winter shutdown that full 14 TeV energies are reached.
that happens all the time anyway. let me ask you this, would you consider it a wortwhile enterprise for police officers to engage in high speed pursuits to capture suspects that put innocent pedestrians and other motorists at risk? more importantly, has anyone ever asked you how you feel about it before?
these aren't just a bunch of nuts going out and operating on thier own, thier credentials non-withstanding, they have all kinds of regulations that they have to comply with and authority to answer to.
I don't really think that is a fair comparsion of situations.
Yes, endangerment of the public happens but not on this scale. Furthermore, what is at issue is the degree to which the people affected by the process have input to the process. Not enough objective review and consensus was sought in this case.
Not without proper guidelines. Not without proper public input.
Many police officers do in fact relinquish high speed chases if the danger to the innocent public becomes too great. They have other safer methods at their disposal to apprehend the suspect. In many countries they are required to have a written pursuit policy. That policy should be followed. There should be consequences if it is not.
Some police officers push the envelope and unnecessarily endanger the public. This is not right and the public has the duty to prevent this.
Let's use California as an example.
"According to a 1987 state law, California Vehicle Code 17004.7, law enforcement agencies that adopt a written pursuit policy, even if that policy is not followed, have complete immunity against lawsuits brought by injured third-parties." - This is not acceptable and is being fought in the courts despite intense opposition from powerful lobbying groups. See Kristie's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristie%27s_Law
Name them.
Is it a global authority?
black holes are bad mmmkay
PlasmaTwa2
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Who wants to bet that on the other end of that black hole is a sick, twisted world cooked up by the Swiss where everyone is neutral, everything is made of chocolate, and Swiss Army knives are the number one export in the world?
what scale? you are right that the issue is the degree. once again, just what is that degree? I'd like to know what the actual risk assement is here.
what global authority? there is no such thing. when has there even been such a consensus on anything? My point is that we have never been consulted on this or anything else. I'd love it if we were, but I don't think this is the straw to break the camels back and make it happen.
I think it actually crosses borders......it's not just in Switzerland.
Petra
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But as long as the Swiss take the French out too....joking, joking!
Seriously though, the world isn't set to end until 2012. If this was the end, the Mayan calandar would have predicted the end of the world as next week. Duh!
Exactly.
To make what happen? Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Of course they are not required to knock on your door and ask you individually what you think of it...That is not what we are talking about.
Yes, in the real sense. It happens all the time. If an agency intends to do something that is going to have an impact on another group of people or country, it does enter the global arena.
If there is not a thorough enough review process, legal challenges will arise.
Are these necessary discussions completely successful all the time? No.
But that is an argument for increasing efforts to have a proper objective review not against it. We should not say, things haven't been done correctly in the past so lets throw our hands up in despair and continue to allow them to be handled improperly.
Two months of public review of the safety findings is not enough.
To have a safety report reviewed by a committee selected by the agency itself that is submitting the safety report does not appear to be an entirely objective process.
http://dsu.web.cern.ch/dsu/of/csspc.html
To say that there is "absolutely no risk" is irresponsible.
I am not saying that it is certain the risk is large.
I am saying that it is not "no risk".
There are currently at least two legal challenges pending.
1) The European Court of Human Rights will rule on allegations that the experiment violates the right to life under the European Convention of Human Rights
and
2) There is a court order sought in the state of Hawaii that would force the US government to intervene. (not sure what would happen after that)
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I hope it does open up another dimension or something. As what some dipsh!t on YoutTube thinks. He claims, among other things, that this is a gate built by the Freemasons to deteriorate the magnetic fields around Earth, allowing the Annunaki to descend, reap havoc and plunge our planet into an era of Satanic rule. 
Check it out if you want a laugh. I'm not big on the black-hole scenario, but I'd like to see some funky, unexpected shit happen. A la Doom 3/Half Life. Then I can get to looting and killing some zombies! Life is too boring at the moment... *sigh*
Check it out if you want a laugh. I'm not big on the black-hole scenario, but I'd like to see some funky, unexpected shit happen. A la Doom 3/Half Life. Then I can get to looting and killing some zombies! Life is too boring at the moment... *sigh*
I hope it does open up another dimension or something. As what some dipsh!t on YoutTube thinks. He claims, among other things, that this is a gate built by the Freemasons to deteriorate the magnetic fields around Earth, allowing the Annunaki to descend, reap havoc and plunge our planet into an era of Satanic rule.
Check it out if you want a laugh. I'm not big on the black-hole scenario, but I'd like to see some funky, unexpected shit happen. A la Doom 3/Half Life. Then I can get to looting and killing some zombies! Life is too boring at the moment... *sigh*
If that happens, can I borrow your BFG?
I wouldn't worry too much about this. Black holes are mostly caused by a massive star imploding instead of exploding hence why the gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that nothing can escape it. The current size of our sun is not large enough to cause a black hole if it dies, it will explode instead. The black holes that may be created by this machine will be artificial and will die within seconds hopefully.
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