Conservatives Want To Get Rid Of DOE

[StanScratch]

Keep the Department of Education, get rid of the disaster known as No Child Left Behind.
As for a private school, what other options do I have if I don't want my children taught by a church? And, I don't think people realize how expensive putting their kids to school via that route would actually be.
And home schooling? Don't think so. Sure, it is the parents' rights...but I have found that home schooled kids are the most socially awkward of adults who rarely properly cope to interacting with others, especially in situations that do not go their way.

In the minds of these leftys is the notion that White people must be bred out to extinction. That Western Civilization is intrinsically evil and oppresive of other races. These lefties are actually White supremecists because they themselves are saying whites are superior and they must pay for it by way of genocide. That other races cannot compete with whites on a level playing field so minorities must be given preferencial treatment with policies such as affirmative action and the like. Also, that a White country, civilization and culture is inherently evil if it remains the same racially as it has remained for thousands of years. That a white country must be flooded with non whites and if the people of the country have anything to say about they are labeled an evil racist. That the tax dollars of white people have to pay for their immigrant replacements. Its a sick and twisted world today

Of course "lefties" don't want to get rid of whites. Totally ridiculous.
However, breeding a "white people should be scared!" mindset such as this should by all means be breed out to extinction.

 

[antanotherthing]

Nice job on this post.

Keep the Department of Education, get rid of the disaster known as No Child Left Behind.

Yup, this is a well meaning bipartisan mistake that encourages schools to advance kids who have not been educated.

As for a private school, what other options do I have if I don't want my children taught by a church? And, I don't think people realize how expensive putting their kids to school via that route would actually be.

Yes. Some schools, like some R.C. schools are subsidized by the parish. So, the tithing to support this is really another tax.

I can only see a voucher system being a mess.

And home schooling? Don't think so. Sure, it is the parents' rights...but I have found that home schooled kids are the most socially awkward of adults who rarely properly cope to interacting with others, especially in situations that do not go their way.

I would never comment on this to a parent that wants to do this because it would be like speaking to a wall. There is a dramatic difference in children who are home schooled and those who are schooled in a traditional setting. The socialization plays a big role. It is beyond play dates. There are some very legitimate reasons for kids to be home schooled. However, kids that are home schooled miss out on some real social developmental gains from being away from the family.

Of course "lefties" don't want to get rid of whites. Totally ridiculous.
However, breeding a "white people should be scared!" mindset such as this should by all means be breed out to extinction.

I'm from the south and it amazes me.

 

[Mayhem]

I have heard of it and I think it should be illegal. Most home schooled kids receive terrible educations. Maybe home schooling is ok for the elementary level but not for high school. How many parents can properly teach English, History, Math and Science at the high school level? Practically none.

I'm calling bullshit on this one. If you are going to post threads about education, try doing your homework first. Home schooling is very highly rated and a very viable alternative to todays crappy public schools.

 

[darkwarrior3007]

Excuse me as I interrupt the regularly scheduled political rambling.

Also, that a White country, civilization and culture is inherently evil if it remains the same racially as it has remained for thousands of years.

The United States is only 235 years old (of course I'm measuring from the date of the Declaration of Independence).

This was a public service announcement brought to you by DarkWarrior3007, you may now get back to your regularly scheduled political rambling.

 

[Mr. Hyde]

They don't do this already?



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

It exists because education should be a national priority and as such should have some national organization. Now that is a point that can be agreed or disagreed with but it is a logical case.


Unfunded mandate 101.

Yes, the states do this already. So why do we need a federal agency to suck up tax dollars? Why do we need a federal agency whose only apparent role is to come up with regulations and bullshit that requires state and local school districts to have legions of people whose only job is to make sure those federal regulations are met?

Do we not trust the states to handle their own educational needs?

Having a federal agency for education is like having a federal agency for driver's licenses. It's not needed. The states can handle it, and we can save money on bloated, wasteful federal agency that does not move fast enough to meet state and local needs.

KILL THIS WHITE ELEPHANT.

 

[MikeyK]

I'm calling bullshit on this one. If you are going to post threads about education, try doing your homework first. Home schooling is very highly rated and a very viable alternative to todays crappy public schools.

By whos standards is home schooling rated highly? Religious nutjobs who are happy teaching their kids very little?

Bottom line is that parents don't have the backgrounds themselves to teach at higher levels. Sure many parents can teach basics but once the curriculum reaches the high school level parents simply aren't qualified to teach subjects like math and science.

I'm really not sure why this is being argued.

 

[accountantNOT]

The white male dominant America was simply too good for itself in the face of the rest of the world, we needed to do something to level the playing field so that all things have a greater chance of being equal...

In the minds of these leftys is the notion that White people must be bred out to extinction. That Western Civilization is intrinsically evil and oppresive of other races. These lefties are actually White supremecists because they themselves are saying whites are superior and they must pay for it by way of genocide. That other races cannot compete with whites on a level playing field so minorities must be given preferencial treatment with policies such as affirmative action and the like. Also, that a White country, civilization and culture is inherently evil if it remains the same racially as it has remained for thousands of years. That a white country must be flooded with non whites and if the people of the country have anything to say about they are labeled an evil racist. That the tax dollars of white people have to pay for their immigrant replacements. Its a sick and twisted world today

Reminded me of this

 

[Mayhem]

Because you have no idea what homeshooling is. This isn't parents winging it. It is a comprehensive program where the tools of education are provided to parent and child. There's kids on boats/ships, kids in remote locations as well as kids in the cities/suburbs all doing well with these programs. And You Might want to check out the percentage of finalists at the Scripps National Spelling Bee who are homeschooled and are brilliant in other areas besides spelling.

I'm not trying to get into it with you. I'm saying check your facts about homeshooling before you randomly slamdunk it. You have made it obvious that you haven't looked into it at all. I have in a minor way and I've had too many friends who are outright disgusted at their childs school and are powerless to change it.

 

[MikeyK]

Because you have no idea what homeshooling is. This isn't parents winging it. It is a comprehensive program where the tools of education are provided to parent and child. There's kids on boats/ships, kids in remote locations as well as kids in the cities/suburbs all doing well with these programs. And You Might want to check out the percentage of finalists at the Scripps National Spelling Bee who are homeschooled and are brilliant in other areas besides spelling.

I'm not trying to get into it with you. I'm saying check your facts about homeshooling before you randomly slamdunk it. You have made it obvious that you haven't looked into it at all. I have in a minor way and I've had too many friends who are outright disgusted at their childs school and are powerless to change it.

That is exactly what home schooling is. Parents winging it.

Let's see. Tools that are provided to the parent and child as you say. Ok. What does that mean exactly? What's provided? Books, videos, quizzes, test?

Do these tools suddenly give the parent the education and experience required to teach someone else? Are you really going to try and convince people that a parent that took a crash course in chemistry will be able to teach and explain it like a professional teach that studied it for years?

These people defending home schooling are really embarrassing themselves.

 

[Mayhem]

Again, you presume to speak up about education yet you refuse to do even a minimum of research. Are you sure you don't work for the DOE, yourself?

 

[abrogate]

That is exactly what home schooling is. Parents winging it.

Let's see. Tools that are provided to the parent and child as you say. Ok. What does that mean exactly? What's provided? Books, videos, quizzes, test?

Do these tools suddenly give the parent the education and experience required to teach someone else? Are you really going to try and convince people that a parent that took a crash course in chemistry will be able to teach and explain it like a professional teach that studied it for years?

Home schooled kids compare favorably on standardized tests and entrance exams. You can do your own googling on this one.

It is the social skills where there is concerns. This includes when the go to a public high school or go to college.

 

[MikeyK]

Again, you presume to speak up about education yet you refuse to do even a minimum of research. Are you sure you don't work for the DOE, yourself?

What should I be researching? Tell me and I'll go look it up.

Do you really believe that a parent can learn all the required subjects? High school level math, science and english?

You didn't answer that question.

 

[MikeyK]

Home schooled kids compare favorably on standardized tests and entrance exams. You can do your own googling on this one.

Depends what you research. In the 2 minutes I was on google I found problems with the way home schooled kids are tested. Had something to do with what tests were given. They have a choice in some cases.

 

[mindofmindcrime]

The DOE does need to be eliminated. Maybe without government interference, liberal endoctrination of our public schools would cease to exist. The government has totally fucked the education system in this country. Maybe the "retard republicans" see this and want to correct it!

 

[abrogate]

Depends what you research. In the 2 minutes I was on google I found problems with the way home schooled kids are tested. Had something to do with what tests were given. They have a choice in some cases.

Sounds like you have more homework to do.

The crux of the problem isn't how the children test academically. There are problems and variations from state to state.

There are many problems with home schooling. I wouldn't slight the parents thought. It is a commitment and typically the parents are dedicated to it.

I would not home school my children, but I wouldn't take the right away from parents from dong it. IMO, I don't think you're doing your children any favors by home schooling them unless the public school your going to send them to is worse alternative.:2 cents:

 

[abrogate]

The DOE does need to be eliminated. Maybe without government interference, liberal endoctrination of our public schools would cease to exist. The government has totally fucked the education system in this country. Maybe the "retard republicans" see this and want to correct it!

The "retarded republicans" are probably in special education. I know they do their best to mainstream them.


I'm not 100% on what your saying.

Is your point of view that we should not have focus and funding on education at the national level?

 

[Hot Mega]

Yes, the states do this already. So why do we need a federal agency to suck up tax dollars? Why do we need a federal agency whose only apparent role is to come up with regulations and bullshit that requires state and local school districts to have legions of people whose only job is to make sure those federal regulations are met?

Do we not trust the states to handle their own educational needs?

Having a federal agency for education is like having a federal agency for driver's licenses. It's not needed. The states can handle it, and we can save money on bloated, wasteful federal agency that does not move fast enough to meet state and local needs.

KILL THIS WHITE ELEPHANT.

Comparing a state's dept. of motor vehicles to the responsibilities of a dept. of education is a very bad comparison IMO. A comparison pretty well drenched in ignorance IMO.

From their website, this is the purpose of the DOE.

Establishes policies related to federal education funding, administers distribution of funds and monitors their use, collects data and oversees research on America's schools, identifies major issues in education and focuses national attention on them, enforces federal laws prohibiting discrimination in programs that receive federal funds.

Maybe Bachmann ought to read their mission first..:dunno:

 

[Mr. Hyde]

Comparing a state's dept. of motor vehicles to the responsibilities of a dept. of education is a very bad comparison IMO. A comparison pretty well drenched in ignorance IMO.

From their website, this is the purpose of the DOE.

Establishes policies related to federal education funding, administers distribution of funds and monitors their use, collects data and oversees research on America's schools, identifies major issues in education and focuses national attention on them, enforces federal laws prohibiting discrimination in programs that receive federal funds.

Maybe Bachmann ought to read their mission first..:dunno:

Michele Bachmann is an idiot, but the DOE is a wasteful, useless entity that only gums up the works.

My analogy was meant to show that EITHER of those sorts of agencies at the federal level are a duplication of purpose. Let's parse out the DOE's mission statement above...

Establishes policies related to federal education funding,

Why is the federal government funding education? Why do we need policies created at the federal level that need to be funded? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just let the states do all of this, and cut out the federal level?

administers distribution of funds and monitors their use,

So part of the DOE exists simply to give out money...why? Just kill this and let the states come up with their own tax policies for education that are closer to home, and more efficiently distributed.

collects data and oversees research on America's schools,

This is the ONE area where I can see a federal DOE being useful...but LIMITED in its usefulness. Research is going to happen ANYWAY...universities do research on education and publish it in peer-reviewed journals. Those universities are funded largely by the states. I can see the DOE having SOME part of this, but a much smaller role than they have now.

identifies major issues in education and focuses national attention on them,

STATES, STATES, STATES...why do we need Washington DC telling the states what THEY need?

enforces federal laws prohibiting discrimination in programs that receive federal funds.

Translated-we are from the government, and we're here to tell you what's best for you.

The DOE should be a shell of an organization whose main purpose is to find SOME research, and suggest SOME ways that states MIGHT focus their educational agendas. Any other opinion is based in ignorant do-gooderism.

 

[Facetious]

The DOE should be a shell of an organization whose main purpose is to find SOME research, and suggest SOME ways that states MIGHT focus their educational agendas. Any other opinion is based in ignorant do-gooderism.

Yep, the DOE need not be a $100 billion sinkhole for taxpayer dollars, it should be a non paid advisory board at best... but NO! the lefties would never part with one of their beloved federal strongholds, even during extended times of economic instability and unemployment.

 

[Hot Mega]

Michele Bachmann is an idiot, but the DOE is a wasteful, useless entity that only gums up the works.

My analogy was meant to show that EITHER of those sorts of agencies at the federal level are a duplication of purpose. Let's parse out the DOE's mission statement above...

Establishes policies related to federal education funding,

Why is the federal government funding education? Why do we need policies created at the federal level that need to be funded? Wouldn't it be more efficient to just let the states do all of this, and cut out the federal level?

administers distribution of funds and monitors their use,

So part of the DOE exists simply to give out money...why? Just kill this and let the states come up with their own tax policies for education that are closer to home, and more efficiently distributed.

collects data and oversees research on America's schools,

This is the ONE area where I can see a federal DOE being useful...but LIMITED in its usefulness. Research is going to happen ANYWAY...universities do research on education and publish it in peer-reviewed journals. Those universities are funded largely by the states. I can see the DOE having SOME part of this, but a much smaller role than they have now.

identifies major issues in education and focuses national attention on them,

STATES, STATES, STATES...why do we need Washington DC telling the states what THEY need?

enforces federal laws prohibiting discrimination in programs that receive federal funds.

Translated-we are from the government, and we're here to tell you what's best for you.

The DOE should be a shell of an organization whose main purpose is to find SOME research, and suggest SOME ways that states MIGHT focus their educational agendas. Any other opinion is based in ignorant do-gooderism.

Translation: You have a difference of opinion. :dunno: There are others.