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Yes I'd vote against gay marriage. And your second question is irrelevant. I wish I could answer that second question though sorry.
Conservatives On Gay Marriage
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Yes I'd vote against gay marriage. And your second question is irrelevant. I wish I could answer that second question though sorry.
Petra
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You do realize rep is just a game right? You don't have to let it define your whole anonymous internet life.
The problem with that is conservatives don't believe in evolution.
that's because we were created and the earth is flat, duh
Deepcover said:
No it isn't, it's completely relevant and by voting against gay marriage you clearly demonstrate you think you have the right to deny a specific group of people the same right you have had all your life otherwise you wouldn't vote against it. Saying you can't answer my question is taking the easy way out because you do know why you believe you have the right.
And here's another question. If you're such a big proponent of traditional marriage why aren't you trying to outlaw divorce? The high divorce rate in the US is a big slap in the face of traditional values. But let me guess, it's OK if you're heterosexual isn't it?
I would also like to ask you this, you know just as well as I do it won't affect you in any way, shape or form if gay couples can legally get married so why would you actively try to stop them from being happy? Why do you have the right to be happy but gays don't?
Another boothbabe proselitic rant:sarcasm:You call conservative people of the USA who believe in the bible "redneck bibble thumpers", but if you read the definition of mariage, it is the union of a man and a woman. An union of two persons of the same sex can't be considered as mariage, it is just a civil union but definitely not a mariage :nono: So what? When someone offends your views, you get mad and need to insult them??? Is that your way of making a constructive dialogue/discussion? Your beliefs and logic are not the reference on the board, so please show a little modesty before thinking that you are the standard of the world when you are clearly not.Yay let's use the basic counter rethoric to make counter arguments to see what kind of valid arguments you really have
1) Ok and on which facts/study heterosexual parents would be bad?
2) Right!!!:sarcasm:So the fact that the bible was written many years ago makes it a useless book according to you. The bible is not perfect maybe but it has quite a lot of truths inside itself.
3) Because homosexual parents don't abuse their children? Come on, you can do better than that. At least in a couple where the parents are heterosexual, the man is the father and the woman is the mother, the roles are distinct, not the case with homosexual parents because the two persons are of the same sex and it can be confusing for children to have parents of the same sex.
4) You do the same and you always tried to pass your halftruths for the truth even if these halftruths make no sense and are not valid.
5) Yes, I would without any hesitation because a deviationist policy and an authorization of what shouldn't be is a sign of a significant decline of values in the society.:noway:
The problem with that is conservatives don't believe in evolution.
because the socialists believe in evolution?:sarcasm:They are more guilty of the decline of the society than something else.
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Just more evidence that his recent loud-mouthing is nothing more than a publicity stunt. He picks the party getting the most attention at the time and joins it. In 2012 when all the Tea Party people are voted out of office Donald will become a Democrat again. And he won't be embarrassed by switching again. In fact he will even go as far as trying to rewrite his history like he has done many times before.
No. I'm calling conservative relious people who think they have the right to force their beliefs onto the world redneck bible thumpers.georges said:
The definition of marriage was written down in a book that was written thousands of years ago by people who were scared because they didn't understand the world in wich they lived. To make some sense of it all they invented an imaginaire being they called god as something to cling on to. That book known as the bible has been re-written numerous times since then and you want to take what's in it for granted without even thinking for yourself and use it as an excuse to deny a group of people the rights you have? And based on what? On nothing more than their sexual orientation? How incredibly, mindblowingly narrowminded you are.
No, I am offended when someone wants to deny me my rights as a human being based on nothing more than my sexual orientation. You have no idea what it's like until you've walked a mile in my shoes so don't even go there.
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I don't care if g/m becomes legal in my state, however, if they want equality, that means shut up about your marriage, you're no more special than the heterosexual couples, got it? You shouldn't be given special minority rights, you shouldn't celebrate a special pride day each year, no special gay activist groups should be going around circulating elementary and high schools preaching the virtues of same sex marriage, you're just the same boring couples no different than the heterosexual couples...
Go ahead make it law, same sex couples want equality... bring it on!
Oh, sure, we'll likely never hear the end of it... they're gonna milk this thing for all it's worth ... bores me to tears thinking about it.
Go ahead make it law, same sex couples want equality... bring it on!
Oh, sure, we'll likely never hear the end of it... they're gonna milk this thing for all it's worth ... bores me to tears thinking about it.
PlasmaTwa2
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Question for you Boothbabe (because you're the only gay person here): If the Netherlands had held a vote on legalizing gay marriage and it did not pass, would you have accepted that result? I ask because I remember when Californian voters shot down gay marriage a few years ago there was this one Hollywood chick who claimed she was no longer going to pay taxes because she felt she wasn't recognized as a full citizen or something. This, of course, comes after a vote where every other citizen voted against it (making her quite the idiot of I do say so myself).
Well, when someone makes a claim the burden of proof is on that person georges so when someone claims gays are more likely to be bad parents it's on them to prove it. I'm not saying heterosexual parent's are bad because of their sexual orientation therefore I have nothing to prove.
Yes, that makes it useless in my opinion. Applying values from hundreds or thousands of years ago to modern society just doesn't work. If you think it does why aren't you out there killing people who are an abomination in the eyes of your make believe god? Are you saying you just pick and choose what to apply because it might end you up in jail? Is your belief system really so weak you let that scare you off?
Maybe some of them do but that's not what I said. If you want to have a discussion with me @ least read what I said. And again you claim heterosexual parents are better wich means the burden of proof is on you again. You can't just make claims and not back them up. Even you must surely understand that.
Don't we all do that sometimes in the heat of the moment. At least I'm not basing what I'm saying on the belief there's a big wizard who lives in the clouds.
And I will fight with everything I've got against anyone who seeks to opress me.
No, I would have fought against it with everything I've got.
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PlasmaTwa2
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Well of course, I expected at least that much from you after having interacted with you on the board, but I was talking about if you didn't have a choice (say, after the vote had gone through and all means of appeal were exhausted with no change). Then, would you do something in protest like refuse to pay taxes or something similar?
Deepcover
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It is just an opinion and on the western side of the world I live in, I have the right to make such an opinion weather you agree with it or not. Your second question is another story and the third question, gay marriage will obviously be legal everywhere sometime in the future but again that won't change about how I feel on the whole thing. Things change yes but there should be some sort of discipline as well.
What gives you the right to denounce the Bible like that? Like the last user mentioned, the Bible may not be perfect but there is a lot of truths in there. Oh yeah feel free to give your opinion weather I agree with them or not.
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What would you call liberal, "non-religious" people, that do the same thing?
Ok, I'm going to express my opinion after all. If you're going to lower my rep, then so be it. But before I say anything, let me say that I have nothing against homosexuals whatsoever and I highly respect them. They're human beings just like you and I. The only difference is their sexual preference. Nothing wrong with that.
However, gay marriage is mistake IMHO and I'll tell you why....
Two guys and two girls can fall in love and be together. I don't have a problem with that. But we have come to a point where it has redefined the meaning of marriage. According to the dictionary, the meaning of marriage is "the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."
We have now taken the true meaning of marriage and corrupted it. Again, this has nothing to do with being for or against homosexuals. It is the fact that we're changing what marriage is all about. What if a man and two women love each other. Why not allow 3 people to get married now?? You see what I'm getting at? We're changing the whole meaning of marriage.
Also, this could have an effect on children. Since two homosexuals have gotten married, they'll want to adopt and have a kid. It'll either have two dads or two moms. While I'm sure many of these gay couples are going to love their children dearly, it will still have an effect because the child will not have a mother figure or a father figure. My dad past away when I was 1 year old and my mom was forced to raise me all by herself. She loved me very much and she did everything she could to bring me up properly. I couldn't imagine having a better mother. But til this day, I feel the affect of not having that father figure. No matter how much love my mother gave me, I still cannot help but feel the lack of a father figure.
Also, since some religions like the Catholics are not going to favor this, many gay couples who are Catholics are going to pressure or protest against the Catholic church to allow it so they can have a Catholic wedding. Getting married legally may not be enough for them. They'll want to be married in their religion, so the Catholic Church is going to be attacked for their belief.
Again, this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to speak up and let me know. I could very well be jumping to conclusions. While I have a great deal of respect of homosexuals, I just can't help but foresee gay marriage as a bad idea. Again, two homosexuals can fall in love, live together and commit to each other if they like. I have nothing against that. It's the redefinition of "marriage" that I don't care for.
However, gay marriage is mistake IMHO and I'll tell you why....
Two guys and two girls can fall in love and be together. I don't have a problem with that. But we have come to a point where it has redefined the meaning of marriage. According to the dictionary, the meaning of marriage is "the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."
We have now taken the true meaning of marriage and corrupted it. Again, this has nothing to do with being for or against homosexuals. It is the fact that we're changing what marriage is all about. What if a man and two women love each other. Why not allow 3 people to get married now?? You see what I'm getting at? We're changing the whole meaning of marriage.
Also, this could have an effect on children. Since two homosexuals have gotten married, they'll want to adopt and have a kid. It'll either have two dads or two moms. While I'm sure many of these gay couples are going to love their children dearly, it will still have an effect because the child will not have a mother figure or a father figure. My dad past away when I was 1 year old and my mom was forced to raise me all by herself. She loved me very much and she did everything she could to bring me up properly. I couldn't imagine having a better mother. But til this day, I feel the affect of not having that father figure. No matter how much love my mother gave me, I still cannot help but feel the lack of a father figure.
Also, since some religions like the Catholics are not going to favor this, many gay couples who are Catholics are going to pressure or protest against the Catholic church to allow it so they can have a Catholic wedding. Getting married legally may not be enough for them. They'll want to be married in their religion, so the Catholic Church is going to be attacked for their belief.
Again, this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to speak up and let me know. I could very well be jumping to conclusions. While I have a great deal of respect of homosexuals, I just can't help but foresee gay marriage as a bad idea. Again, two homosexuals can fall in love, live together and commit to each other if they like. I have nothing against that. It's the redefinition of "marriage" that I don't care for.
I call them fucktards.
So you're letting a book define what you think a marriage is instead of thinking for yourself? Societies always evolve, it's a force you can't stop and with it the definition of various things change, marriage being one of them. People now decide for themselves what marriage is to them and they should be allowed to do so otherwise freedom is just an empty word. You can't force your definition onto them just because you agree with what it says in the dictionary. If you truly believe each and everyone of us has the right to freedom, pursue happiness and our dreams you can't deny gay couples the right to get married . Doing so makes you a hypocrite.Da Dude said:
You're talking about what marriage means to you. Why is your definition the only true one? If a man and 2 women want to get married I say let them. It doesn't affect me nor does it change what being married means to me. I don't love my wife less because the dictionary says this or that. I'm not going to live by the definitions of other people.
In the traditional household the man works and the woman stays @ home. Most fathers only see their children a few hours a day and don't spend nearly as much time with them as they should. Several of my friends have always missed having a father figure because of this. Another one of my friends has 2 moms and he never felt he missed anything. You can't opress a specific group of people just because you missed having a father.
What religious people do within their religion is up to them. If you want my opinon I think all forms of religion should be banned.
No you don't. You talk the talk but you're not walking the walk. Actions speak louder than words.
And I'm going to ask this question again because so far none of the opponents of gay marriage has been able to answer it.
Why do you think you have the right to deny gay couples the same right you've enjoyed all your life?
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