I agree with you there. I can't stand these goddamned NeoCunt motherfuckers fucking shit up from the White House!
Condoleeza Rice for president 2012!
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I agree with you there. I can't stand these goddamned NeoCunt motherfuckers fucking shit up from the White House!
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Sounds so nice, go ahead and say it twice! :glugglug:
And just to be clear, I don't see every Republican as a neocon or fundamentalist Evangelical - just like not every gun is a pistol. I've voted for more Republicans in my life than I have Democrats. But a neocon is a different sort of creature... a creature that'll never again get my vote.
To paraphrase something that Pat Buchanan said a few years ago when questioned about how he viewed neocons: "A neocon is someone who shows up late for a party, eats all the food and breaks some of the dishes. But at the end, they'll claim that they were there from the beginning... and they even helped prepare and serve the food."
Love him or hate him, I think Pat offered an excellent description of that traitorous rabble. The nation building, New World Order neocons never saw a penny that they weren't willing to spend overseas, for the benefit of foreign interests (if not their own pockets - how's Haliburton doing, Tricky Dick?). But God forbid anyone would want to spend that same amount improving the infrastructure in this country.
Before the first freakin' bridge gets built in Iraq or before the next (illegal) house gets built in Israel, that gets rung up on the tab of the U.S. taxpayer, there shouldn't be one single pothole anywhere in the United States of America. If the neocons are so in love with the foreign interests, I'm sure I could raise enough money to send every one of their sorry asses to the country of their choice: all ONE WAY tickets!
^ I hear you. Althoug I'm a registered Green Party member myself, I don't disagree with most of the Democratic and Republican doctrines. What I do disagree is with their hypocrisy, contradictions and inconsistencies with their party doctrines.. NeoCons aren't genuine Republicans and the GOP has long been taken over by NeoCons who pretend to be fiscally conservative but are anything but that because they don't practice what they preach. It's sad to see that NeoCons are the majority of the GOP while genuine Conservatives have been made to be an insignificant and weak minority within their own political party.
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Question - Who was the very first "neo con" from your recollection ?
I always thought that it was the editor of the weekly standard, whatshisface ?
"Krystal" or some such ?
As I recall, a neo con was specifically a Jewish conservative, quite possibly a democratic party defector - "new conservative".
Just a thought :o
Neo cons ? Isn't Ingraham a Christian ? :dunno: :tongue:
Question - Who was the very first "neo con" from your recollection ?
I always thought that it was the editor of the weekly standard, whatshisface ?
"Krystal" or some such ?
As I recall, a neo con was specifically a Jewish conservative, quite possibly a democratic party defector - "new conservative".
Just a thought :o
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Yeah, Brother Irving Kristol. Too bad he wasn't stillborn.
As I understand it, neoconservatism's Jewish links are just because of the Trotskyite following it had early on. But these days, its heaviest links are to Zionism, and an expansive/interfering U.S. foreign policy (nation building). And one doesn't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist. In fact, some of the most loyal Zionists in the U.S. are fundamentalist Evangelicals. And they're all about spreading the gospel and the wealth (overseas).
That's another bone of contention between the neocons and (true) libertarians... along with certain paleo-conservatives like Pat Buchanan. Like I said, love him or hate him, Buchanan is an "America first" guy. Libertarians (small "l") are generally "live & let live"/"live and let die" kinda people - but America first too. Neocons just see the American taxpayer as a ready source of cash for their foreign, nation building adventures. Where were the screams and cries about government waste when Cheney & The Hole in the Wallet Gang were emptying the Treasury?
There will be a brighter day if the (actual) fiscal conservatives and social libertarians ever rest control of the GOP away from the neocon nation builders and the snake charming bible thumpers. But I don't see that day coming. If Obama screws the pooch, the only hope I see for this nation is a viable 3rd party. Cause we should have already learned that the answer doesn't lie in the hands of the same idiots who had a big hand in creating the mess we're in.
Yeah, little Billy Kristol's daddy Irving Kristol was the founder of the neoconservative or Straussian ideology.
Little Billy was the one who founded the Project for A New American Century (PNAC) who's members included Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wofowitz and Jeb Bush among others. Their primary reason for existing was to promulgate a neoconservative foreign policy agenda centered around regime change in Iraq....well actually center around projecting US military might preemptively and unilaterally if necessary.
Fail.
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I don't know, I'm certain that something could be negotiated :1orglaugh
Just last Thursday, The President remarked that the same protection can be accomplished using "smaller" weapons systems... OK :dunno: (?) show us the bacon ... what specific "smaller" weapons systems does the president have in mind ? Do you really think that he's going to follow up on anything ? Remember, a bit less than a year ago shortly after "w" gave the final go ahead for the defensive missile installation (Poland), the ruskies went into a tizzy and dispatched all sorts of miltary hardware into ku-ba and Venezuela in response to ''w's" approval, remember that ? Is russia now going to retract it's military hardware since there will be no defensive missile sight installation in Poland ? lol !Better yet, does this President have enough of a pair or has he even garnered enough respect of other world leaders to demand such a thing ? lol ! Unfortunately NO.
So, as you can see, it's these little things that will accrue over time and before long, hey ! you just might get that bondage that you have been yearning for ! :1orglaugh for we will be surrounded by bolsheviks . ..
Then somebody ''better than us'' (with a pulse) will have to figure out the greenest means of disposing our corpses !:rofl:
'take th' train to Flagstaff A.Z. :eek:
We already have systems in place that accomplish the same thing and much better. We have detection and tracking systems all over LEO, in the air and at sea.
Existing systems can intercept missiles in any stage of the of their flight trajectory and we have intercept systems in the air, at sea and GMD....
I would say the most significant quality you should have is that you not suck at your previous, less important job.
Rice was one of the worst Secy. of States in US history IMO. The Georgian fiasco, she turned Pakistan into lesbos on the Taliban and AQ in that they weren't doing dick. Predictions on Iraq were unfounded if not abjectly wrong. US/Russian relations worsened..US stature diminished and was not very credible...and at the end of GWB's term the US was begging it's allies for support in Afghanistan and Iraq.
We won't even go into her travails while she was NSA...
Yeah...so I would say let's at least start with people who didn't suck at their previous, high profile positions.:2 cents:
Yeah she is black, so what did that not help Barack Obama last year when I kept hearing for 1000 times on how he was the first black president the first african american the first black president for everything...so it only works one way I see...
Are you guys ever serious?? Being Black didn't help Obama....he was a charismatic, intelligent candidate who answer questions coherently, appeared pragmatic in presenting his ideas....he also happened to be black.
In case you haven't realized, Barack Obama isn't the only black to ever run for POTUS.
I don't want to turn this into a Obama thread but you would be *blind* if you think him possibly being the first black president had nothing to do with a lot of people and pretty much getting all the black voters (republicans, democrats, independents) vote in 2008 and yeah the media mentioning so many times and democrats acussing people that if he did not win it was because the U.S. was still racist...where have you been for the past year man?
Color has a lot to do in politics these days!
Nonsense. Considering Blacks are overwhelmingly Democrats and as democrats they would have been voting democrat in the overwhelming majority in any event....Independents (like me) and even republicans like (white, black and other) voted for the guy because he sounded pragmatic in his approach to solutions.....his color was irrelevant.
Jack Kemp for example, could have garnered the same consensus with his message too had he been a presidential candidate.
People like to hear their leaders talk like they have some sense and deal with issues pragmatically....not ideologically. Problem for Jack Kemp is as a GOPer he would have never made it out of the primaries.
Either way, back to the original point....Condoleeza Rice was clueless in both of her previous jobs....maybe she needs to go back to academia...as they say...those who can't do, teach.
Now that is very much bullshit ...
We have general air defense and good endo-atmosphere capabilities. But we do not have any serious exo-atmospheric capability.
Now that is very much bullshit. If that's what they're selling, I'm sorry, I call bullshit.
We have general air defense and good endo-atmosphere capabilities. But we do not have any serious exo-atmospheric capability.
I don't know, I'm certain that something could be negotiated :1orglaugh
Just last Thursday, The President remarked that the same protection can be accomplished using "smaller" weapons systems... OK :dunno: (?) show us the bacon ... what specific "smaller" weapons systems does the president have in mind ? Do you really think that he's going to follow up on anything ? Remember, a bit less than a year ago shortly after "w" gave the final go ahead for the defensive missile installation (Poland), the ruskies went into a tizzy and dispatched all sorts of miltary hardware into ku-ba and Venezuela in response to ''w's" approval, remember that ? Is russia now going to retract it's military hardware since there will be no defensive missile sight installation in Poland ? lol !Better yet, does this President have enough of a pair or has he even garnered enough respect of other world leaders to demand such a thing ? lol ! Unfortunately NO.
What I can't figure out is why you are hyperventilating over the Russians or over Obama pulling the plug on this stupid idea of ramming our tech (for free!) down other countries' throats, all in the name of "protecting them"
Facetious, dude, we're like 60 years past when lil' Nikita banged his shoe on the table at the U.N.
The Russians don't care about anything today except making money.
not experienced enough (cough)
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