jasonk282
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Um, Ok. Well just for the record the sheep had something stuck it its fur, it's not what you think
Chris Matthews: What has the Republican Party done for The People...
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Um, Ok. Well just for the record the sheep had something stuck it its fur, it's not what you think
Will E Worm
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They aren't superstitions. That's what people don't get.
America has a lot of people that profess faith in something and it will affect the country. Whether liberals like it or not.
Its even in our laws and the supreme law of the land, which is the Constitution.
Right after the Bible for most.
That's why I tell people to move to a country they like better than this one.
I haven't had any takers yet. :hatsoff:
They are superstitions until someone can scientifically prove them not using anecdotal evidence, publishes a peer-reviewed report and the results are duplicated time and time again. They are not falsifiable therefore they will always remain superstitions. The whole point of this country was to separate church and state (most of the founding fathers were either diests or atheists). That's what is going to ruin this country, the faith-based imposing their will on the rest of us.
Will E Worm
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No. :hatsoff:
Separation of church and state was so they state couldn't impose a state church on everyone. Like in England.
It was never to keep people of faith out of politics.
Lean the facts or I have a cork for you.
:tongue:
lol I know the facts. A residual effect of that was to prevent laws from being religiously-based as were many other doctrines in the constitution: no religious-test can be administered for any office is an example of another. I never said they wanted to keep people of faith out of politics, you can believe whatever you want, you just can't make a law based out of that belief.
Will E Worm
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You should know your facts. People of faith have made laws because of their faith. Why does the President place his hand on a Bible?
The same thing happens in a court and else where.
They also pray before meetings, hmmm.
This country was better off with a strong Christian influence.
These are stupid traditions that should be stopped. Religion is the great oppressor but it also allows the smart to control the masses so the founding fathers knew it would be a great way to keep the young country together. That doesn't take away from the fact that their intent was to make a great secular nation. You have to be religious to get voted into any office, I think Obama is a closet Atheist (or at least Agnostic) but has to pretend to be of 'faith' (read: believe this without proof) to get votes because, sadly, the majority of people about 80 percent believe in an imaginary skyperson. This was not the intent of the founding fathers...they believed that you can believe in anything or nothing at all.
Will E Worm
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Now you're off in looney land.
Nah, just realistic. They wanted a secular nation in that they didn't want any religion to be considered the 'national religion'; you can be whatever you want or be nothing at all: Nothing controls dumb people better than religion. The founding fathers were smart and knew this. The fact that a lot of crazy religious nuts got into office and forced their laws through is something else. Thankfully, we are getting better slowly but surely with a 20 percent atheist minority in the country (one of the fastest growing minorities in the past 20 years, outnumbering gays, jews, blacks, etc) only getting larger.
Will E Worm
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Lies from people in Washington do a much better job.
Actually DC, District of Columbia, a foreign country in America.
Faith does nothing but help people.
Unlike the faith Atheists have and it's a religion whether you will admit it or not.
That's not true, Atheists believe there is no god (or at least that there is no proof one exists) but that's it. No two atheists are alike other than that primary belief. Faith makes people believe that this life sucks and the next life will be much better so kill yourself (muslims) or don't live your life to the fullest for fear of being punished in the next life. You miss out on the truly great things that life, short as it is, has to offer. That is no way to live.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
It's time to give them a chance.
Maybe so. We'll see how it goes and who else steps up. But if more Americans would stop acting like union members, and learn to think for themselves (instead of having party bosses do it for them), part of the problem would be solved RIGHT THERE!
How many people here will pretend to believe that the government should fear the people, not the other way around? Quite a few, I would say. But how many of those very same people will show complete loyalty and allegiance to a party... that is trying to secure control of the government???!!!
IMO, we usually get the government that we deserve.
We have a right to vote for anyone we wish.
So, mandating registration to one party is illegal.
Tell them that next time and tell them who sent you.
In the general election, you would have still been able to vote for whomever you chose. What the GOP was trying to pull here was forcing people to declare party membership before the primaries. I can understand them not wanting Democrats to switch over and vote for less desirable Republican candidates... and then vote for the Democrat in the general election. But what they ended up doing was alienating Independents, who otherwise MIGHT HAVE taken part in their primary. More of that "you're either with us or against us" B.S. That end run was cut off and defeated. For the most part, I like the way politics works in this state. We tend not to give either party a lot of confidence that it'll be in power past the next election.
The facts are a great debate. yes freedom of religion, religion in politics not so much.
I have no desire for Muslims, Evangelics, Catholics, Lutherans to rule my country and tell me or make laws that affect my personal life. I dont care what you do on sunday or a holiday, Do what you want, but I want the freedom as well.
Will E Worm
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You believe by faith there is no God. You have an orginized religion. :angels:
Well, they can have their chance. The other two aren't doing much but lying.
Hopefully we can institute term limits. That would keep the Ted Kennedy's out.
How many people here will pretend to believe that the government should fear the people, not the other way around? Quite a few, I would say. But how many of those very same people will show complete loyalty and allegiance to a party... that is trying to secure control of the government???!!!
They should fear us. If the American people would wake up they would storm Washington and take this country back. Party loyalty is not a good idea, especially when both parties are one in the same and lie consistently.
Some people do. I deserve a much better fate.
Well, Christians are going to try to take this country back to what it used to be, with the help of true Patriots and Constitutionalist.
I hope it's soon.
Truth.
The way the universe was created hasn't been scientifically proven.....is it superstition then? There are many things that haven't been scientifically proven. Are they all superstition?
So the world IS ending in 2012.....:crash:
When Presidents and other federal officials take their oaths of office, they often place their hand on a Bible and conclude their oaths with the words "so help me God." Some accommodationists see these practices as evidence that the founders never intended separation of church and state. But this conclusion doesn't follow: the Constitution doesn't require Presidents or other federal officials to place their hand on the Bible or say the words "so help me God." Quite the contrary, those sections of the Constitution that deal with oaths of office are completely secular in content and, as such, constitute evidence that the framers intended separation.
The Presidential oath of office is described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Nothing in this section requires that the oath of office be taken on the Bible. Neither do the words "so help me God" appear in the oath. While Presidents often include this phrase in their inauguration ceremonies, the words are customary; they are not required by the Constitution and have no legal significance.
Additionally, we note that the words required by the Constitution are described as an "Oath or Affirmation," and that the President is allowed to simply affirm his faithfulness to the Constitution. The word "affirmation" was inserted in this section precisely to allow Presidents to avoid swearing oaths to God as a condition of taking office. This provision seems particularly intended for Quakers (who had religious objections to taking oaths), but it is worded broadly enough to encompass any person who objects to taking an oath, including non-theists.
Oathtaking is not rocket science. If the framers wanted Presidents to invoke God when taking the oath of office they could have worded the oath to accomplish that objective. Instead, the constitutional oath of office contains no reference to God, need not be administered on the Bible, and need not even be considered an oath. Contrary to the accommadationist argument, Article II, section 1 is evidence that the framers intended the federal government to be secular in its operation.
http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg11.htm
Facetious
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I thought that John Muir did :1orglaugh
Many things can be inferred, and proven scientifically, without being there to see them occur. The same cannot be said about god (other than by using the 'gods of the gaps' argument...I can't explain it so god must have done it)
That is an 'argument' commonly used by theists (read: nuts) against atheists. If you truly believe that then you have no understanding of what defines a religion. Like I said before, Atheists just believe that there is no god (or no proof for one) that's it, no other beliefs are 'required'. By your reasoning being a Democrat or Republican should be religions as well because they both believe in things.
"The saying is 'if atheism is a religion then not playing baseball is a sport'
"A religion has two components which must both be present. It is a formalized system of ritual and belief. It is focussed on a supernatural being or beings.
Speaking to "formalized system of ritual and belief", atheists are not an organization, just a number of folks that have independently, through thought and study, come to the conclusion that there is no supernatural force in the universe. There is no credo, instruction manual, or anything.
Speaking to "focussed on a supernatural being or beings", atheism denies that there are any beings of this nature."
Supafly
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So true, jason. Sooo true.
Why is it that so many of the hardcore christians cannot get a grip on the concept of a number of people with the same concept of thoughts NOT meet in hidden places to pray do their beliefs.
Because, yes, even atheists believe. They just don't believe in supernatural powers.
Why is it that so many of the hardcore christians cannot get a grip on the concept of a number of people with the same concept of thoughts NOT meet in hidden places to pray do their beliefs.
Because, yes, even atheists believe. They just don't believe in supernatural powers.
I think that they do not really believe that but is just another deflection method they like to use (in addition to quoting stuff from the bible). "oh yeah well um... you guys are a religion too because you are taking things by faith too!" That is their ultimate comeback which, when common sense is applied, deftly breaks apart.
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