Bush personally ordered waterboarding

[bazza599]

its bonfire night not halloween lol no witch killing tonight

 

[emceeemcee]

Yeah I'll begin a intestive study on the matter starting today.

Cool. let us know when your done and you can post the results and maybe redeem yourself after making such an absurd claim.

maybe.
or maybe its just the military doing what is necessary to prevent more people being killed.

funny how it wasn't deemed necessary in WWII or Vietnam. It was even considered illegal and immoral. Are you saying that WWII and Vietnam era service people were all on the wrong side of ethics?

 

[HELLRAISER]

This is the sort of shit that makes me ashamed to identify as a democrat. The first thing the democrats did when they won Congress in '06 was to take impeachment off the table. They should have done exactly what these fucking asshole republicans are about to do now that they've got the house back.

It's going to be ironic when you see these anti-big government NeoCon TeaBaggers using the powers of the government they have to make government bigger instead of making it smaller when they start investigating every petty, stupid little thing they can get their hands on

 

[Trident1]

Every Islamist we capture that doesn't cooperate we should waterboard. They sowed the wind now they'll reap the whirlwind.

The Russians and the Israelis know how to handle terrorists, we should be no different.

 

[mentator75]

Let's cut to the chase.

To all those who support waterboarding:

what wouldn't you do to a terrorist ?

if there is anything, please provide your reasons.

 

[CunningStunts]

It's going to be ironic when you see these anti-big government NeoCon TeaBaggers using the powers of the government they have to make government bigger instead of making it smaller when they start investigating every petty, stupid little thing they can get their hands on

You contradicted yourself so many times in one post, I'm amazed you still know what you believe you believe.

 

[pete rose]

We treat our prisoners with kid gloves in comparison to what happens when militant islamofacists get their hands on one of ours. I think I'd rather undergo simulated drowning than be decapitated with a dull sword.

that justifies the waterboarding

 

[Galactic]

*ahem*.......IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS. FUCKING GET OVER IT. jesus fucking christ.........

 

[Hot Mega]

*ahem*.......IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS. FUCKING GET OVER IT. jesus fucking christ.........

*ahem* Why was Clinton being investigated for sex harass years after he became POTUS and the claim against him was years in his rear view?

For example...

 

[Galactic]

*ahem* Why was Clinton being investigated for sex harass years after he became POTUS and the claim against him was years in his rear view?

For example...

oh my god.......ok dude......I understand you like to argue, and belittle, and berate, and appear uber intelligent, and make everyone else look inferior....it's your bag, it's nothing new, it's what Hot Mega does.

But what the fuck are you trying to prove here by bringing up Clinton? Where in my last post did I give any indication that I was arguing for one side or the other, which would then give you the right to bring up contradictory facts.....but that's not what I did.

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. THAT'S IT MEGA. THAT'S ALL I WAS IMPLYING.

It really can be that simple. It really can be that cut and dry. Not EVERYTHING has to be a battle Mega.

 

[Hot Mega]

oh my god.......ok dude......I understand you like to argue, and belittle, and berate, and appear uber intelligent, and make everyone else look inferior....it's your bag, it's nothing new, it's what Hot Mega does.

But what the fuck are you trying to prove here by bringing up Clinton? Where in my last post did I give any indication that I was arguing for one side or the other, which would then give you the right to bring up contradictory facts.....but that's not what I did.

I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. THAT'S IT MEGA. THAT'S ALL I WAS IMPLYING.

It really can be that simple. It really can be that cut and dry. Not EVERYTHING has to be a battle Mega.

Let me explain the Socratic point here then Gal...the question was rhetorical as I already know the answer. I wasn't asking you to tell me..I was asking you to make sense of the difference.

What difference you ask?

Well, the point of asking why Clinton was pursued even years later was; some crimes or causes of action have a shelf life and the shelf life of some don't expire.

The reason why Clinton was still pursued for his actions years later was because it STILL fell under the statute of limitations for that particular case.

What does that have to do with this thread?

It has to do with the fact that it's not as much about the length of time that has transpired with the transgression but IF there is evidence of the transgression.

Forget who the president is..whether it's Obama or McCain or even Palin (had McCain won an crocked)...the question is would GWB be suspected and tried for committing crimes and violations of the Geneva Convention?

 

[meesterperfect]

that justifies the waterboarding

no.
that doesn't

what does is the fact that these men who have been waterboarded are involved or directly responsible for mass murder and more than likely on more than one occassion.
obviously they have information
info of past attacks and very possibly of future attacks.
and if you catch someone who was involved in a past attack that can very likely avoid a future attack.
i know its ugly but its an ugly world and these guys follow no rules.
and when so many lives are at stake everything must be done to prevent.

this is beating a dead horse.
either you see it or you dont.
or people do see it but choose the America bad, bush bad mentality which is just so fashionable these days.

so heres what i suggest.
" mr terrorist do you have knowledge of past or future attacks on civillians?"
"yes i do but i'm not telling you infidel".
" oh ok, no dessert for you tonight".

 

[emceeemcee]

no.
that doesn't

what does is the fact that these men who have been waterboarded are involved or directly responsible for mass murder and more than likely on more than one occassion.
obviously they have information
info of past attacks and very possibly of future attacks.
and if you catch someone who was involved in a past attack that can very likely avoid a future attack.
i know its ugly but its an ugly world and these guys follow no rules.
and when so many lives are at stake everything must be done to prevent.

this is beating a dead horse.
either you see it or you dont.

'these guys follow no rules'

so all of sudden you care about rules?


The police are able to extract information from suspects without torture, as were WWII intelligence officers from captured Nazis and spies so why do you keep insinuating that torture is somehow a necessity to stopping terrorist attacks? The justification for torturing people on the basis that they (might) be about to strike just means you are arguing from emotion and reason.

or people do see it but choose the America bad, bush bad mentality which is just so fashionable these days.

speaking of beating dead horses


the argument is simple- either societies who don't torture people are more civilized then ones who don't, or they aren't. But hey, if your happy for your country to share the same company as countries like Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia then good luck to ya

 

[Moonchild22]

You know, when I first heard about this on the news, I thought "Something has to be done about this".
And so, post-haste, I came to a porn forum to complain about it.
Boy, I feel better.