Bush personally ordered waterboarding

[Ace Boobtoucher]

I have nothing against waterboarding. Moving along...

I'm in total agreement, Brah. It'd be like if they deemed teabagging to be torture. I don't know how else I'd be able to demonstrate my displeasure with someone if I couldn't put the old batwing on someone's forehead.

 

[titsrock]

This was just one of the many reasons why Dumbya will go down in history as the worst American president ever.

Not only was he a coke-snorting, phony "born again," but he was truly as dumb as a pile of rocks. It's no wonder under his guidance the economy crashed, we blew $3tril on stupid wars for his Big Oil buddies, and Katrina exposed our disaster relief as nothing short of 3rd World level....

Dumya is a sin that America will not cleanse herself of easily....

 

[PirateKing]

Imma bathe with you!

You should accept that proposal vodka.

:rubbel:

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

never mind.

 

[Trident1]

I'm glad he used waterboarding.

 

[D-rock]

It does make me wonder. Whom does George W. Bush think that Jesus would have waterboarded? He was supposedly Bush's role model and hero and all that, and he supposedly tried to portray himself the all the evangelicals out there that that stuff was important to him. Didn't Bush also proclaim to be about that whole rule of law stuff too? Whoops.



I'm also sure all those people i this thread that don't mind the idea of waterboarding also won't have any problem when someday in the future American soldiers (or soldiers from whatever country you're from) are captured and have it done to them to break them. I'm sure you will be alright with it and think it's fine and dandy then. After all you would have no legitimate standing to object to it. Who knows maybe in the not too distant future it will be your son or grandson that will be the one captured and subjected to it. I mean it's not like nearly all of the free world besides a portion of the US thinks it's torture or anything...........oh wait.

You can't defeat evil with evil and have anything but evil win in the end and have anything but the winner become more corrupted. If somebody sinks to the level of their enemies hatred and becomes inhuman they will only become that they once hated and fought against.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

We treat our prisoners with kid gloves in comparison to what happens when militant islamofacists get their hands on one of ours. I think I'd rather undergo simulated drowning than be decapitated with a dull sword.

 

[Hot Mega]

"Yeah Obama...what are you gonna do? Fuck with me now that we have incoming batshits just itching to try you...?":dunno:

 

[shayd]

Kayne wouldn't approve.

 

[xfire]

This is the sort of shit that makes me ashamed to identify as a democrat. The first thing the democrats did when they won Congress in '06 was to take impeachment off the table. They should have done exactly what these fucking asshole republicans are about to do now that they've got the house back.

 

[LukeEl]

It's funny when I hear the word waterboarding it makes me want to go out and surf.

 

[meesterperfect]

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,727316,00.html

sorry, no english story yet; but the spiegel is a serious news site, so it's trustworthy. the site claims to base itself on a source who has read bush's ghostwritten memoirs. in it, he claims that when the CIA asked whether sheik mohammed should be waterboarded, he responded with "damn right". according to government sources, sheik mohammed alone was waterboarded 183 times.

but the US doesn't torture, right?

boo hoo for the poor mass murderer.
he planned the whole attack, i dont think i need to get into the consequences of that.
the guy kills innocent people kids included.
that was his job.
so him getting water dumped on his face for information should not be any concern of any normal person.

 

[emceeemcee]

boo hoo for the poor mass murderer.
he planned the whole attack, i dont think i need to get into the consequences of that.
the guy kills innocent people kids included.
that was his job.
so him getting water dumped on his face for information should not be any concern of any normal person.

Normal people don't approve of torture.


The issue isn't KSM and islamists, it's America and it's falling standards.

 

[meesterperfect]

We treat our prisoners with kid gloves in comparison to what happens when militant islamofacists get their hands on one of ours. I think I'd rather undergo simulated drowning than be decapitated with a dull sword.

yep.
but i wish there would be even 5% of the outrage expressed about that than of how we have waterboarded some for information.

why is it that most americans will be so concerned over waterboarding, like its some human rights atrocity but not say peep about what the arabs do to soldiers they capture?
I guess they were just trained to think a certain way.

 

[Hot Mega]

Normal people don't approve of torture.


The issue isn't KSM and islamists, it's America and it's falling standards.

That's the point..has nothing to do with sympathy for KSM or any other Islamist it has to do with the law.

Very few people would have a problem with a father ventilating some 'chester' for raping and brutally killing his daughter...the question is would it be against the law.

That is the sympathy being played here...GWB, Cheney, et al know it's much easier to defend their injust because people view it's in the name of a greater crime...BOTH ARE CRIMES!!!

why is it that most americans will be so concerned over waterboarding, like its some human rights atrocity but not say peep about what the arabs do to soldiers they capture?

Most Americans ARE NOT concerned for the very reasons you state and that's why GWB and his crew did it...because most people would be inclined to let them get away with it.

But to your question of what Islamist do? Because it's irrelevant.

 

[emceeemcee]

why is it that most americans will be so concerned over waterboarding, like its some human rights atrocity but not say peep about what the arabs do to soldiers they capture?

evidence?

 

[meesterperfect]

Normal people don't approve of torture.


The issue isn't KSM and islamists, it's America and it's falling standards.

I disagree.
When it comes to a guy who's job it is to plan terrorist attacks that kill and have killed thousands I think most reasonable people would approve of doing almost anything it takes to get information.
Can't think of the guy as some human being.
You gotta think of him as what he is, and thats a serious threat to a lot of lives.

So let me ask anyone here.
If a guy had your kid or mother stashed away somewhere, maybe dead, maybe not, would you torture them, beat them for information?

no half measures when it comes to stuff like this.
too many lives are at stake.

but the media and the tratorous democratic politicians use it to sell news and make money and keep their power in government by constantly talking about it because they know the american and most of the worlds people will respond to it as they do.

Example Ted Kennedy once said "The torture chambers in Iraq are still in use, just under different management".

Why would he say that?
because he cares about the enemy so much?
Human rights?
NO.
It was for political power and at any cost.

 

[Ulysses31]

yep.
but not say peep about what the arabs do to soldiers they capture?

It's not just as black and white as that
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/tra...sport--whistle-blower-originally-ignored.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...fghans-posed-pictures-corpses-body-parts.html


And maybe the use of waterboarding is the beginning of a slippery slope that leads to things like this
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=448271

 

[meesterperfect]

evidence?

evidence?

thats a lame request.
Yeah I'll begin a intestive study on the matter starting today.

where you been for the last 8 years?

You have not seen thousands of storys about how the US government under bush waterboarded some prisoners.
even about 20 threads here on this board.
hundreds of responses.

How many have you seen with concern about what they do to prisoners and even their own people?



And maybe the use of waterboarding is the beginning of a slippery slope that leads to things like this
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=448271

maybe.
or maybe its just the military doing what is necessary to prevent more people being killed.

Tell me Ullysses, if you had to jump from the trade center to avoid being burned alive would the thought " I hope they don't waterboard the guy who did this to me" cross your mind before your body explodes on the pavement below?

 

[emceeemcee]

I disagree.
When it comes to a guy who's job it is to plan terrorist attacks that kill and have killed thousands I think most reasonable people would approve of doing almost anything it takes to get information.
Can't think of the guy as some human being.
You gotta think of him as what he is, and thats a serious threat to a lot of lives.

So let me ask anyone here.
If a guy had your kid or mother stashed away somewhere, maybe dead, maybe not, would you torture them, beat them for information?

no half measures when it comes to stuff like this.

but the media and the tratorous democratic politicians use it to sell news and make money and keep their power in government by constantly talking about it because they know the american and most of the worlds people will respond to it as they do.

Example Ted Kennedy once said "The torture chambers in Iraq are still in use, just under different management".

Why would he say that?
because he cares about the enemy so much?
Human rights?
NO.
It was for political power and at any cost.

Quite clearly there is no value in upholding laws and ethical standards as far as you are concerned. You're willing to dismiss the very ideals which distinguish a civilized society from a barbaric one and suggest that mere hubris and self righteousness is all a country needs for it to be regarded as the moral upperhand.

You went to Iraq to free the people from torturers (supposedly) only to prop up a new government which tortures it's citizens and you say the critics are the ones with the problem? You're trolling for sure.