Breaking: Holy Shit Batman!!! 14 Dead at Batman Masacre

[Bloodshot Scott]

Eh, it's a big country (America). But as pointed out just look at Norway for heaven's sake. And all the other places around the world.



Now personally, I hope they gut this gutless little fucker, slit his throat and empty him out like the animal he is. No more. Make an example of scum like him and Loughner once and for all.

Such a tragedy.

 

[Rey C.]

Those who fight for the right of every madman and every criminal to have as many people-killing weapons as they want share moral responsibility for what happened in Aurora—as they will when it happens again. And it will happen again.

But that's just it, Ice: even the most loyal NRA member isn't fighting for the rights of criminals and the insane to own or possess firearms - quite the opposite really. But until someone is convicted by a court of a crime, he's not a criminal. And until a psychiatrist and/or a judge deems someone insane, they're not (legally) insane. So what do we do, pass more laws... in addition to the laws that are already on the books, that criminals ignore - since that's what criminals do? And who would those new laws apply to that the old ones don't already apply to? Sure, we can put more words on more pieces of paper and pretend that is a solution. But is it... is it really? Like everyone else here, I think this is a horrible tragedy - though no more or less tragic than the other murders that take place in America every single day. But as I search my mind for practical solutions, I'm unable to come up with anything real and workable.

It's fine to just look at firearms. I don't see that that will really lead to a solution though, especially given the number of firearms that are already present here, and the fact that guns are a solid part of American culture (with an increasing number of Americans now legally buying guns). Not that this is the magic bullet either (absolutely no pun intended), but what is it about our society, in the late 20th/early 21st century, that we seem to have an increasing number of dysfunctional individuals who think that it's acceptable to murder large groups of civilians to settle their rage??? Mass murder is not a new phenomenon in human history. But even with all of the guns that have been present in the U.S. since Day 1, what's happened to us that we now find more people wanting to murder for non-political reasons (not that murdering for political reasons is right or acceptable either)? Why do we now see more "thrill killers"???

I just don't see that there are any easy answers.

 

[Facetious]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. But do you know for a fact that every person in the U.S. who owns a gun is properly trained on how to use it? the answer is no and that is the problem. What's wrong with making every person who wants to purchase a firearm go through a mandatory two week training course on how to properly operate a firearm? this would apply to both first time buyers and current gun owners and once they complete the course they will be certified as being able to properly operate a firearm. It would be no different than going to Driver's Education to obtain your drivers license. Guns can kill people so you better damn well know how to use the thing properly.

.. Are you talking about two consecutive Sadurdays as in, I don't know, two - four hour classes in order to complete this two week firearm training course idea of yours, or are you talking about 80 hours of instruction, I hope it's the latter for non carry / home defense applicants. Also, why not simply give those frequent firearms purchasers (or current firearms owners as you stated) a randomly selected question firearm safety quiz at the point of purchase (but not before the ten day cooling off period has registered). They do this in Calif and it seems to work pretty good. No pass no gun, just like the dmv test.... should you fail the test you have two weeks to study up before you can take the exam again. Sounds fair to me.

Guns in and of themselves aren't very complicated, it's just the basic rules of safety that must be adhered to, i.e never aim at anything you don't intend to destroy... know what's beyond your target... always keep your fingers outside the trigger guard until you're certain of the former... should you happen to come across an unattended gun, treat it as if it were loaded and ready to fire. etc. etc.

Final thought....

What about the gang bangers and their stolen/unregistered saturday night special 'gang banger' guns that aredestined to kill somebody, you know, those cheapo chrome Beretta 9mm Luger copies and those chrome Rossi .38 snubby revolvers, the guns that account for more than 90% 0f the street shootings, no 2 week classy for those guys I guess eh?

 

[Terry Sleeper]

The shootings at the cinema in Denver have ruined the Batman film for me.

All I can see in my pirate copy is the audience running about.

 

[Straight Shooter]

.. Are you talking about two consecutive Sadurdays as in, I don't know, two - four hour classes in order to complete this two week firearm training course idea of yours, or are you talking about 80 hours of instruction, I hope it's the latter for non carry / home defense applicants. Also, why not simply give those frequent firearms purchasers (or current firearms owners as you stated) a randomly selected question firearm safety quiz at the point of purchase (but not before the ten day cooling off period has registered). They do this in Calif and it seems to work pretty good. No pass no gun, just like the dmv test.... should you fail the test you have two weeks to study up before you can take the exam again. Sounds fair to me.

Guns in and of themselves aren't very complicated, it's just the basic rules of safety that must be adhered to, i.e never aim at anything you don't intend to destroy... know what's beyond your target... always keep your fingers outside the trigger guard until you're certain of the former... should you happen to come across an unattended gun, treat it as if it were loaded and ready to fire. etc. etc.

Final thought....

What about the gang bangers and their stolen/unregistered saturday night special 'gang banger' guns that aredestined to kill somebody, you know, those cheapo chrome Beretta 9mm Luger copies and those chrome Rossi .38 snubby revolvers, the guns that account for more than 90% 0f the street shootings, no 2 week classy for those guys I guess eh?

If this would go into place, every gun owner new and prospective would have to undergo training. It would only apply that one time for current gun owners just to make sure that they know what they are doing, when they go and buy a new gun they wouldn't have to undergo a course because they would already be certified.

In many states, to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer you need a permit, which requires you to complete firearms-safety training, not unlike driver’s education. But, even if all states required this, not everyone who buys a gun would have to take a class. That’s because forty per cent of the guns purchased in the United States are bought from private sellers at gun shows, or through other private exchanges, such as classified ads, which fall under what is known as the “gun-show loophole” and are thus unregulated.

 

[Facetious]

[ . . but what is it about our society, in the late 20th/early 21st century, that we seem to have an increasing number of dysfunctional individuals who think that it's acceptable to murder large groups of civilians to settle their rage???

How about this (+ 6 seconds) for starters. Yeah, that's an important one, if we cannot thoughtfully communicate with one another, that's a problem as our progressive educators continue to preach about the supposed virtues of multilingualism.

Also, I'm sure that the recent breakup of the traditional nuclear family unit perhaps is the root cause for some of this insanity.
It's amazing how broken families have become the norm these days and wow, the poor young kiddos at the mercy of those who would corrupt them while mommy is at work 'til 6pm... sad. Of course these young single parent raised children won't admit that there is anything wrong, if only they knew otherwise.

 

[Facetious]

If this would go into place, every gun owner new and prospective would have to undergo training. It would only apply that one time for current gun owners just to make sure that they know what they are doing, when they go and buy a new gun they wouldn't have to undergo a course because they would already be certified.

In many states, to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer you need a permit, which requires you to complete firearms-safety training, not unlike driver’s education. But, even if all states required this, not everyone who buys a gun would have to take a class. That’s because forty per cent of the guns purchased in the United States are bought from private sellers at gun shows, or through other private exchanges, such as classified ads, which fall under what is known as the “gun-show loophole” and are thus unregulated.

I think that whole gun show purchase thingy has been blown way out of proportion, really, who is going to display an unrecorded firearm in their display case? The ATF officials could confiscate everything on a sellers table if they displayed such a gun for sale.
On the classified ad front, I would think that it would be crazy to sell an illegal/ unregistered/off the record handgun to a would be purchaser.... it could very well be a ATFer on the other end of the line.

But yeah, it's just like anything else, there's good ol' boy clubs in everything, if there isn't a loophole, why.... we'll make one , two, three or four of em.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I wouldn't put anything past Uncle Sam.

 

[Shifty]

^^

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

^^

Why not? Because the "media" says so? Do a little research on the monopoly that is the "media" and the amount (or lack thereof) of individuals that control it.

Would it shock you if the Internet was censored in the near future? It certainly wouldn't me...In fact we're already headed that way with the banning of file sharing...

EDIT: Really Shifty? You actually gave me a fucking negative feedback...you of all people? Little -------

:dropdead:

 

[Hondarobot]

I wouldn't put anything past Uncle Sam.

The guy has a "Risk" game box on his desk, below what appears to be "Monopoly". I have my doubts on his views regarding this situation, beyond the fact that he access to a webcam.

 

[DR. B]

anybody else find it strange that it happened on 20-07-2012 at 12:34 am?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The guy has a "Risk" game box on his desk, below what appears to be "Monopoly". I have my doubts on his views regarding this situation, beyond the fact that he access to a webcam.

Jones makes a ton of money pushing conspiracy theories; the point with my previous post was that I'm not sold one way or the other, nor do I appreciate the way the MSM as usual butchered the story from the start. At the end of the day my point was not that I agree with Jones or not - my point was that I don't think everything is black/white, cut and dried.

Anyone here that thinks the governments isn't hellbent on seizing weapons - at least those on the far left - from people that abide by rule of law is out of their mind and at the very least very naive. What pisses me off is that the majority of American politicians live in their pretty gated communities away from reality.

 

[Hondarobot]

Jones makes a ton of money pushing conspiracy theories.

I actually doubt that he makes a ton of money, but he does appear to be pushing conspiracy theories.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I actually doubt that he makes a ton of money, but he does appear to be pushing conspiracy theories.

I recall a year or so ago reading somewhere he has millions of viewers and is well off because of the theories he pushes on his shows (Internet, radio). I believe he also married into money as well.

EDIT: Okay, not exactly peanuts, but not not Mark Zuckerberg wealthy either: http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/celeb/radio-personality/alex-jones-net-worth/

Once again I didn't say I agree with him one way or the other, just that I certainly don't trust very many politicians and I certainly don't trust most of the MSM. Jones brought up a number of factual issues in that piece (The U.N. Small Arms treaty and 'Fast and Furious,' among others). At the end of the day I'm just saying nothing is absolutely black/white. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Rey C.]

How about this (+ 6 seconds) for starters. Yeah, that's an important one, if we cannot thoughtfully communicate with one another, that's a problem as our progressive educators continue to preach about the supposed virtues of multilingualism.

That was one of my favorite Guns N Roses tunes from back in the day. I still like that line, from one of the best movies of all time. :clap: As for multilingualism being an issue or a cause, wouldn't having the ability to speak a wide variety of languages actually help us to communicate with one another better?

Also, I'm sure that the recent breakup of the traditional nuclear family unit perhaps is the root cause for some of this insanity.
It's amazing how broken families have become the norm these days and wow, the poor young kiddos at the mercy of those who would corrupt them while mommy is at work 'til 6pm... sad. Of course these young single parent raised children won't admit that there is anything wrong, if only they knew otherwise.

I actually think you're very close to the mark with that, Face. Slowly but surely, our society seems to be losing its humanity and the inherent respect that civilized people should have for their own lives and the lives of others. Without those, you can take a guy like this James Holmes character through a firearms course and all you'd wind up with is an even better trained homicidal maniac. Other than him apparently growing up in an upscale area of San Diego, I haven't read much about his family life or his childhood. But in general terms, the breakdown of the family unit and the lack of willingness of parents to be (actual) parents certainly seems to be making things worse, IMO.

So what do we do about that? Damifino. :dunno:

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Please explain.

I have not. I've merely pointed out where they in fact have.

Here's your original message

RiP to the victims, my prayers to the victim's families and speedy recovery to the injured.




I see the liberal media has already begun Blood Dancing and quick to act not wanting to waste a minute to exploit the tragedy by pushing an agenda. Quite sick and pitiful.

You're using this shooting to to call out liberals for using it to "push an agenda". That's pushing your own anti liberal Agenda. especially when you provide absolutely no evidence to back it up. It doesn't make it ok just because you said "RIP". Oh, and please feel free to actually point out the "quite sick and pitiful" way that the liberal media has exploited this next time.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Trident is fully capable of fighting his own battles 'round these parts but this article I found earlier in the day was an interesting take on how the media botched this story from the start:

Media pegs Aurora Colorado shooter James E. Holmes as unChristian, depressed Tea Partier, video game playing Trekkie

http://communities.washingtontimes....ra-colorado-james-holmes-unchristian-trekkie/

 

[Straight Shooter]

Trident is fully capable of fighting his own battles 'round these parts but this article I found earlier in the day was an interesting take on how the media botched this story from the start:



http://communities.washingtontimes....ra-colorado-james-holmes-unchristian-trekkie/

No, the media didn't make that accusation, Brian Ross of ABC did. That's it. He doesn't represent the entire media.

 

[PirateKing]

Here's your original message



You're using this shooting to to call out liberals for using it to "push an agenda". That's pushing your own anti liberal Agenda. especially when you provide absolutely no evidence to back it up. It doesn't make it ok just because you said "RIP". Oh, and please feel free to actually point out the "quite sick and pitiful" way that the liberal media has exploited this next time.

He was just as eager to jump on someone else's shit, otherwise he would have ignored it.

Someone's bound to blame something or someone. For every liberal blaming guns there are conservatives saying if everyone else at the theater had guns this wouldn't have happened. Pssh...

While we're reflecting on a tragedy someone has to ruin it by either bringing up gun control or spontaneously chiming in about the "evil liberal agenda" to stir the pot.