Atheist airman must swear 'so help me God' or get out in November

http://www.airforcetimes.com/articl...ear-help-me-God-get-out-November?sf30886492=1

An atheist airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada has until November to change his mind and swear a reenlistment oath to God, the Air Force said.

The unnamed airman was denied reenlistment Aug. 25 for refusing to take an oath that concludes with the phrase “so help me God,” the American Humanist Association said in a Sept. 2 letter to the inspectors general for the Air Force and Creech. In her letter, Monica Miller, an attorney with the AHA’s Apignani Humanist Legal Center, said the airman should be given the choice to reenlist by swearing a secular oath. She said the AHA will sue if the airman is not allowed to reenlist.

In a Sept. 5 email, Air Force spokeswoman Rose Richeson said the airman is still serving and will continue to do so for at least two more months.

“The airman’s term of service expires in November 2014,” Richeson said. “He has until this time to complete the Department of Defense Form 4 in compliance with the Title 10 USC 502.”

The four-page DD Form 4, which is titled “Enlistment/Reenlistment Document, Armed Forces of the United States,” contains a “confirmation of enlistment or reenlistment” oath that reads, “I, [insert name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

The AHA said the airman crossed out the last four words in that oath, and was told Aug. 25 that the Air Force would not accept it for that reason. The airman was told his only options were to sign the religious oath section of the contract without adjustment and recite an oath concluding with “so help me God,” or leave the Air Force, the AHA said.

The AHA said that is unconstitutional and unacceptable and that Article VI of the Constitution prohibits requiring religious tests to hold an office or public trust.

The Air Force used to allow airmen to omit the phrase “so help me God” if they so chose. But an Oct. 30, 2013, update to Air Force Instruction 36-2606, which spells out the active-duty oath of enlistment, dropped that option. Since that quiet update to the AFI, airmen have been required to swear an oath to a deity when they enlist or reenlist.

The Air Force said last week that the change was made to bring its oath in line with the statutory requirement under Title 10 USC 502. The Air Force said it cannot change its AFI to make “so help me God” optional unless Congress changes the statute mandating the oath.

The Air Force has not answered questions — first asked Sept. 4 — on the circumstances that led to the rule change, such as when the Air Force realized the opt-out clause violated statutory requirements, who brought this to the Air Force’s attention and when, and whether the statute ever allowed service members to opt out of saying “so help me God.”

In an email late Tuesday, Richeson said the Air Force is asking the Defense Department’s General Counsel for a legal review of the rule.

“The opinion will help inform the future decision,” she said.
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
Just sayin'
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Just another Atheist trying to cause trouble.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
He fucking had to say it at his local MEP center when he enlisted in the first place. Cuntyspunkshitpiss. The fucking shit people in the chair force do. :facepalm:
 

bahodeme

Closed Account
He fucking had to say it at his local MEP center when he enlisted in the first place. Cuntyspunkshitpiss. The fucking shit people in the chair force do. :facepalm:
No, it was updated last year. The Air Force made an allowance so you did not have to swear to god until last year. There were some grumbling at the time, but the shutdown had more attention. If I remember correctly the allowance was made just after I went in (1984-1988).
 

feller469

Moving to a trailer in Fife, AL.
Hitchens had some interesting essays on the topic of the Air Force and its religious bent. It's funny how the Religious Right are quick to use the Founding Fathers to defend their position. If they read the words of the FF, they would simply never use them as a rallying point again.
 

bahodeme

Closed Account
No Ace B. When he went in, he did not have to say "so help me God". The rule was changed back so he must say it. When I went in 1984, you needed to be of some denomination. A couple of years later, there was a guy in my Flight that was an atheist. He told me he did not have to say "so help me God". That was when we found out about the change.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Yeah, like I wrote, the guy is full of shit. Atheists are the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet.
 
Yeah, like I wrote, the guy is full of shit. Atheists are the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet.
You're the one who's full of shit.
And "the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet" are the conservatives, like you
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
You're the one who's full of shit.
And "the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet" are the conservatives, like you

What in the fuck do you care...your silly square, soft cheese eating ass doesn't even live here. Nor will you ever serve in our military. You'll probably rely on them to save your tree hugging ass...but what else is new?!
 
Yeah, like I wrote, the guy is full of shit. Atheists are the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet.

Wanting your constitutional rights not to be tested for religion is "self centered"? Well, the next time you bitch about somebody infringing on your rights maybe I should bring this up. You wouldn't want to be a self-centered pussy like those atheist. :facepalm:
 
What in the fuck do you care...your silly square, soft cheese eating ass doesn't even live here. Nor will you ever serve in our military. You'll probably rely on them to save your tree hugging ass...but what else is new?!
He fucking had to say it at his local MEP center when he enlisted in the first place. Cuntyspunkshitpiss. The fucking shit people in the chair force do. :facepalm:
Yeah, like I wrote, the guy is full of shit. Atheists are the biggest group of self centered pussies on the planet.


 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I won't quote the founding fathers on this matter but I will quote someone near and dear to the leftist/progressive movement.

"Science cannot lie … It’s Christianity that’s the liar."









~Adolf Hitler
 
Just because Hitler said something doesn't mean it's wrong by nature.
Hitler once said "Hello Mum !". Does it means you're a nazi if you say "Hello mum !" as well ?
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
All these whinny atheists make me sick. Just say the words and move on! I don't believe in any god or religion, it's all hogwash to me. I don't see the problem with saying "god" for an oath or during the pledge. It's all just words. If you really don't believe in "god" then why are you so fucking offended to say the word "god"?
 
All these whinny atheists make me sick. Just say the words and move on! I don't believe in any god or religion, it's all hogwash to me. I don't see the problem with saying "god" for an oath or during the pledge. It's all just words. If you really don't believe in "god" then why are you so fucking offended to say the word "god"?
Would you say "so help me Allah" ? If you were required to say so, wouldn't you make it a big deal ?
 
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