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RealMenSwallow
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I've never head that saying in my life marquis2...I really haven't.
I rolled three into one.Though I'm sure I read the exact phrase last July 4th
"As American as apple pie" is commonly met though.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I don't know about Apple pie, but baseball originated in America. Also, there are hundreds of theories on how the hamburger was invented, where it was invented and who invented it; nobody knows for sure.
Damn straight........baseball is definitely ours......don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Same with jazz. Ours.:thefinger
We have had the baseball debate before lol.While it may be derived from other games most americans and I think rightfully so think we invented baseball as it is played here.Probably derived from cricket and a game called rounders:dunno: but different enough to be new ? But whether we can all agree on that I will say you have to keep in mind as a nation of immigrants we do and have always incorporated other cultures into our own and made some parts of them our own in our minds.
maildude
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Baseball actually originated in England as a variation of Cricket or Rounders. Even Ken Burns says this--I have the book and the video set.
Apple pie has existed since before America was even discovered. It has had recipes in Europe as well as Egypt--where sugar originated.
Baseball is firmly established as an English game , it was simply refined , formalised and adopted in the US.
on September 11, 2008, the Surrey County Council's History Centre gave documentary proof that the game was being played by the British before anywhere else and have written to Major League Baseball explaining this[8]. The diarist William Bray recorded a game of baseball on Easter Monday 1755 in Guildford.
The football ground in Derby is called the Baseball Ground because that game was played on the site until about 1900.
There's an ancient game still widely played called rounders.Not quite the same as baseball but immediately recognisable as another side of the same coin.If you played rounders you can follow and understand baseball.
Baseball actually originated in England as a variation of Cricket or Rounders. Even Ken Burns says this--I have the book and the video set.
Apple pie has existed since before America was even discovered. It has had recipes in Europe as well as the Orient--where sugar originated.
Nope, I have the same Burns set.....baseball, the game of baseball, was invented here. Yes, there are similarities between the games, but the game of fucking baseball was invented in the U.S of motherfucking A.
Period.
End of story.
Wrong.Neither the name or the game originated there.Why should Americans have bothered to invent something that already existed?
It didn't exist already you fool. The rules and even the number of men per side were not written down until the 1800's......you obviously have NOT watched the Burns documentary or done any research at all.......
"In 1845, Alexander Cartwright of New York City led the codification of an early list of rules (the so-called Knickerbocker Rules), from which today's rules have evolved. While there are reports of Cartwright's club, the New York Knickerbockers, playing games in 1845, the game now recognized as the first in U.S. history to be officially recorded took place on June 19, 1846, in Hoboken, New Jersey, with the "New York Nine" defeating the Knickerbockers, 23–1, in four innings.
On June 3, 1953, the United States Congress officially recognized Cartwright as the inventor of modern baseball."
Yes, it was built upon ideas from other games........Baseball did not exist in the form that we call BASEBALL until it was invented here.
Jesus Christ.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
As FOMM already stated, we had this discussion before. Baseball isn't rounders. Rounders isn't baseball.
Baseball was adapated from other games and made into it's own. It is an American sport.
I knew the baseball one would ignite a firestorm.:1orglaugh
But we can all agree that Jazz and Rock and Roll were invented by americans right? Invented by black americans.
Personally those are IMO very important inventions.I give Rock and Roll (along with cassette tapes) more credit for the demise of the soviet union then anything else.Much more than all that silly defense spending or anything any president(like Reagan who some claim should get credit) ever did.:banger:
But we can all agree that Jazz and Rock and Roll were invented by americans right? Invented by black americans.
Personally those are IMO very important inventions.I give Rock and Roll (along with cassette tapes) more credit for the demise of the soviet union then anything else.Much more than all that silly defense spending or anything any president(like Reagan who some claim should get credit) ever did.:banger:
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
Of all the threads in the same vein this is the one that turns into a pissing match?
IMO,the phrase about mom and apple pie came to be used as a symbol of Americana,regardless of where apple pie was invented.
It's probably the medias' fault.
....and don't forget the Blues....
IMO,the phrase about mom and apple pie came to be used as a symbol of Americana,regardless of where apple pie was invented.
It's probably the medias' fault.
....and don't forget the Blues....
maildude
Postal Paranoiac
You could say that about most everything! O.K... you win. BASEBALL began here. Just like basketball and tackle football and Twinkies. The point is that practically all we know has its origins elsewhere. That's all.
I will not argue with that at all. But that is not what I was defending. People trying to take credit for inventing what I consider to be the best game is infuriating......I am all for credit where credit is due......America invented America's game.......that's all there is to it.
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