As much as I love Scotland and hate England, independence is stupid

Historically it's always boiled down to religious afiliation and alegiance to the crown, nowadays neither is that important in peoples everyday lives, without the whole protestant/catholic thing as well as the royal family (the two go hand in hand) I don't see why there couldn't be a union between England, Wales, Scotland and the whole of Ireland.

Ach sure hi while we are at it why can't the US be joined with britain like the good old days. National self determination ever occur to you?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Ach sure hi while we are at it why can't the US be joined with britain like the good old days. National self determination ever occur to you?
Fuck no, Britain's better off without the US attached! There's a reason we abondoned america and burnt down the White House' predecessor you know.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Independence is pretty lame. Look at America. Doesn't get much more fucked up than it is here!
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Anyone know anything about the economic problems that would come from Scottish independence?
 

Rane1071

For the EMPEROR!!
Anyone know anything about the economic problems that would come from Scottish independence?

That's what I was wondering. Hasn't the formation of the Scottish Parliament cost a fair amount already and if independence was achieved how would that effect the average Scotsperson? Will they be better off or worse?
 
Scotland would end up like Ireland if they got their independance. They just don't have the income to sustain themselves as an independant state.
As you can see from their current export statistics things aren't exactly looking great:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/10/IME2011Q2/Q/Page/1

It would mean that free University placements and free medicine prescriptions would probably be a thing of the past and taxes would probably go throught the roof.

But anyway, good luck with that! :thumbsup:
 

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
I think this is just one mans crusade (and he's a fucking Campbell) to be honest.All
Salmond wants is his fancy palace on Carlton Hill,looking down on all the fuckwits
that helped fullfill his fantasy.

Things for my ancestors will never be the same again after the Dunoon massacre,so there
is no point to it for me :dunno:

I think Scotland is better off being in the Union anyway because we don't seem to be in a
bad a state,as some of the Eurozone countries are in at the moment.So for us to break away
from the Union to join the Eurozone would be prety much suicidal :facepalm:

I'm happy enough with the way things are,so i'll be voting "No" for independance.But maybe
i'll have won the lotto by then and I won't need to bother ;)

Wish me luck :hybrid:
 
Let me clear up the fact that i don't hate English people. IF anything i hate England as a nation and the English mentality to some things.
When i go to England, i don't hate everyone there. I also know afew English people and the fact that they are English doesn't bother me.

Supporting ABE is just banter and being jealous that Scotland finish 3rd in every qualification group, when 1st place goes through automatically and 2nd place goes into the play offs
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
I think the point is not so much if Scotland will seperate from England but if England will seperate from the Eurozone.
 

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
Way back in elementary school, an older LaMont kid beat the crap out of me just because I'm a Campbell.......... Years later in high school, I got even with him by fucking his girlfriend AND his sister.

Old habits die hard eh??? :1orglaugh Although LaMont seems more French to me though :dunno:

Anyway.Here's some of the shit that rival MPs get up to.But the Labour MSP who did this had to resign,
although this is probably the best work he's ever done :D

 
NO way!

England own Scotlands ass, and thats the way it should always stay.

You haven't got a big enough population to possibly substain yourselves in this economic climate, and your GDP would just be laughable. You would require the British pound to have any chance of possibly surviving, and it would be ridiculous to "let you go" as we have so much invested in Scotland, especially in OUR North Sea oil. It wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for England, so Scotland has no claim to it whatsoever.

It was a stupid idea for us to even give you the power of parliament and independence like you have now, as we own your ass, and that's the only reason why you really hate us. It was always gonna come to this at one point or another because you Scots are so dogmatic and single minded in independence. The idea of opening out the question to the people to vote on is just ludicrous as they'd answer with their hearts instead of there heads. Those hearts that are ridden with disease from poor diet, and reliant upon the NHS!

Sorry to drive the hate hear, but this is and England Vs Scotland thing, so its personal! lol
 
NO way!

England own Scotlands ass, and thats the way it should always stay.

You haven't got a big enough population to possibly substain yourselves in this economic climate, and your GDP would just be laughable. You would require the British pound to have any chance of possibly surviving, and it would be ridiculous to "let you go" as we have so much invested in Scotland, especially in OUR North Sea oil. It wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for England, so Scotland has no claim to it whatsoever.

It was a stupid idea for us to even give you the power of parliament and independence like you have now, as we own your ass, and that's the only reason why you really hate us. It was always gonna come to this at one point or another because you Scots are so dogmatic and single minded in independence. The idea of opening out the question to the people to vote on is just ludicrous as they'd answer with their hearts instead of there heads. Those hearts that are ridden with disease from poor diet, and reliant upon the NHS!

Sorry to drive the hate hear, but this is and England Vs Scotland thing, so its personal! lol

That's why most Scottish people hate England. A mentality like yours. So England owns the UK? Sound

ONe of the most ridiculous statements i have ever heard.
 
Old habits die hard eh??? :1orglaugh Although LaMont seems more French to me though :dunno:

Anyway.Here's some of the shit that rival MPs get up to.But the Labour MSP who did this had to resign,
although this is probably the best work he's ever done :D

Don't worry, next time I see Sol Campbell shopping in London I'll kick him square in the nuts for you
 
The problem with Scotland is that it's full of Scots:D

That one is so old you probably stole it from Fred Flinstone.

You can say the same for any other place. England, full of English. America, full of Americans. Germany, full of Germans, etc etc.
 
"As much as I love Scotland and hate England"

I'm Scottish and frankly your way of thinking is the small minded mentality of someone who is dwelling on the old rivalries, prejudices of someone whose seen Braveheart to many times.

Welcome to the 21st century!

Every Scottish person will say in some fashion they don't like the English, but so can everyone in a country that shares such an "interesting" history with its neighbour. Its an easy generalisation to say you hate the English, I'm marrying an English girl - Does that make me some traitor or turncoat in the eyes of my countrymen?

The Scottish are a proud people, we have an interesting history but we also know when to let shit go. If the events of 600 years hadn't have happened, would you still be saying "As much as I love Scotland and hate England"? I doubt it.

Don't tar all the English with the same brush just because you disagree with the actions of a few, or go screaming "I hate the English" just for whatever petty reasons your holding onto.
 
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