Are you worried about the economy?

Are you worried about the economy?


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$200 billion.
are they printing this money?
what will it be worth by the time it reaches joe and jane citizen?

Yes, the are in effect printing that money. When they do an interest rate cut it's the same thing. The situation from this move won't change the fundamentals in the problem, just delay the inevitable at a possibly greater cost.

Wall St. barons react to things based on what they think the little guy will do. If they think he will buy it's a chance to sell high. +416 today. Otherwise they go short and sell, fueling more selling and then buying back when they think it's at a low and just before the little guy is ready to buy again.

It was too cloudy last night. You can see the shuttle in daylight on a clear day, and I've not seen a night shot but was told they light up the sky. No such luck this morning.
 
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Bernanke is simply trying to keep the economic dam from bursting on his watch and taking our nation into another Depression. None of his rate cuts or "capital stimulus" matters to the short-term or long-term.

There is massive market panic. Oil is an out-of-control freight train. Our dollar is becoming the NEW PESO.

Our economy is not prepared for $4-$6/gallon gas. That's the bottomline. There are no practical ways for Americans to avoid this. There are no cars available that achieve meaningful MPG which can soften the wallet blow. These kinds of cars are not coming in the near future either.

Americans are becoming poorer with each passing year. The majority of homeowners in America have below 50% equity in their houses.

Healthcare costs are another out-of-control freight train....then there's that other 800lb gorilla known as INFLATION....
 
I always think it's funny how some annalist think the US's market is always going to go up indefinitely because it has always been. It's like they think there is some God given force of nature that's going to make it do so. What they fail to take into account is that in reality the market hasn't been around that long, two lifetimes at best which in reality is somewhat a small sample size. It's not like the US market has been going up the last 5 thousand years. It almost collapsed once before. Luckily it was turned around by the biggest war humanity has ever had at around the same time as that happened. Not only that, but in coming economic times where we have trouble they will be different than the bad times before. Due to globalization I think slowly some of the rules that we believed in before will change if they haven't already. That is not even taking into account the enormous dept that future generations are going to have to find some way to pay off. Anybody who thinks the US economy will just keep going up forever or that we will always be ahead of the world is a fool. In reality for the bottom 90% of people in wealth in this nation we have progressed in decades already. Too bad we have too many ideological hang-ups about the free market that don't coincide with reality. Someday we will see that the free market was as great as we thought. You can start to see the very beginning of the end and it's eventual downfall even now.
 
Investors await Bear report, Fed meeting

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080316..._week_ahead;_ylt=ApFsRuTLO8_Lof28beeJhaBI2ocA


"NEW YORK - Wall Street is facing a paradox of sorts right now as the damage from the credit crisis continues — the more investors find out about the problems caused by billions of dollars in failed mortgages and investments, the more unknowns seem to crop up. The Street is hoping that this week, the Federal Reserve and the wounded Bear Stearns Cos. provide more answers than new, baffling questions.

The Fed has been using the various tools at its disposal — even creating some that investors have never seen before — to try to mend the ailing financial markets. Just last week, the Fed said it would pump up to $200 billion into the system by taking mortgage-backed securities as collateral, and then with the aid of JPMorgan Chase & Co. created a plan to lend funds to the Bear Stearns after the investment bank ran short of cash."


As Chuck Schumer senator from NY said this week GWB is acting like the Herbert Hoover of the 21st century and is saying "don't worry,be happy" in spite of a lot evidence we should be very worried.
 
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There's a funny editorial in today's New York Times from Maureen Dowd where she makes the claim that Dubya with all his strange dancing and singing publicly is similar to Herbert Hoover eating his dinner in his tuxedo after the Crash of '29...
 
I have a great idea! As the dollar drops against other major currencies, let's just offer bonus dollars for every one foreign countries exchange! One meglanical part spends uncontrollably causing a hemorage and someone else comes by with a box of band aids with no stick em left.

Fed Takes New Steps to Ease Crisis
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080317/fed_credit_crisis.html
 
Yes I am... Even more than any member of this board... :(

But I still not working hard to resolve my this problem..:)

you know why.... Lust of Dog never ends... Worry of money is like Lust of Dog... as many bitches he fucks his Lust gets multiply :D

So enjoy... :rubbel:
 
Yes I am... Even more than any member of this board... :(

But I still not working hard to resolve my this problem..:)

you know why.... Lust of Dog never ends... Worry of money is like Lust of Dog... as many bitches he fucks his Lust gets multiply :D

So enjoy... :rubbel:

That's right! Don't let anybody forget that! :thumbsup:
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
George Soros was on BBC News tonight, saying the 60-year economic "superboom" is over....

(looks for ledge on tall building in Canary Wharf....:( )
 
From CNN/Fortune

Last Updated: March 31, 2008: 1:58 PM EDT

Chaos on Wall Street
The big banks' fear of big losses is threatening to bring down the entire system, with dire consequences for all of us. Here's what's going on, and what we can do about it.

By Allan Sloan, senior editor at large

(Fortune Magazine) -- What in the world is going on here? Why is Washington spending billions to bail out Wall Street titans while leaving struggling homeowners to fend for themselves? Why are the Federal Reserve and the Treasury acting as if they're afraid the world may come to an end, while the stock market seems much less concerned? And finally, what does all this mean to those of us who aren't financial professionals?

Okay, take a few breaths, pour yourself a beverage of your choice, and I'll tell you what's happening - and what I think is going to happen. Although I expect these problems will resolve themselves without a catastrophic meltdown, I'll also tell you why I'm more nervous about the world financial system now than I've ever been in my 40 years of covering business and markets.

Finally, I'll tell you why I fear that the Wall Street enablers of the biggest financial mess of my lifetime will escape with relatively light damage, leaving the rest of us - and our children and grandchildren - to pay for their misdeeds.

We're suffering the aftereffects of the collapse of a Tinker Bell financial market, one that depended heavily on borrowed money that has now vanished like pixie dust. Like Tink, the famous fairy from Peter Pan, this market could exist only as long as everyone agreed to believe in it.

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Merrill Lynch posts big loss, to cut 2,900 jobs



NEW YORK, April 17 (Reuters) - Merrill Lynch & Co on Thursday posted a quarterly loss of $2 billion and said it planned to cut 2,900 more jobs after recording more than $6.5 billion in write-downs on subprime mortgages and other risky assets.
The results were worse than Wall Street analysts' gloomy expectations, but Merrill Lynch's shares rose amid hopes that the company was working through its problems and closer to seeing improvement.
"My sense is, they tried to clean the bad stuff off the shelves, and they hope it's mostly in the trash," said Michael Holland, founder of Holland & Co, which oversees more than $4 billion of assets.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7469607
 
Merrill Lynch posts big loss, to cut 2,900 jobs



NEW YORK, April 17 (Reuters) - Merrill Lynch & Co on Thursday posted a quarterly loss of $2 billion and said it planned to cut 2,900 more jobs after recording more than $6.5 billion in write-downs on subprime mortgages and other risky assets.
The results were worse than Wall Street analysts' gloomy expectations, but Merrill Lynch's shares rose amid hopes that the company was working through its problems and closer to seeing improvement.
"My sense is, they tried to clean the bad stuff off the shelves, and they hope it's mostly in the trash," said Michael Holland, founder of Holland & Co, which oversees more than $4 billion of assets.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7469607

While I guess money isn't worth what it once was I'm reminded of the great quip from that elder statesman of the senate in 60s Everett Dirkson."A billion here a billion there and pretty soon your talking real money".;)
 

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George Soros was on BBC News tonight, saying the 60-year economic "superboom" is over....

(looks for ledge on tall building in Canary Wharf....:( )

You or Dickhead ?

Please tell me the latter.







Merrill Lynch posts big loss, to cut 2,900 jobs



NEW YORK, April 17 (Reuters) - Merrill Lynch & Co on Thursday posted a quarterly loss of $2 billion and said it planned to cut 2,900 more jobs after recording more than $6.5 billion in write-downs on subprime mortgages and other risky assets.
The results were worse than Wall Street analysts' gloomy expectations, but Merrill Lynch's shares rose amid hopes that the company was working through its problems and closer to seeing improvement.
"My sense is, they tried to clean the bad stuff off the shelves, and they hope it's mostly in the trash," said Michael Holland, founder of Holland & Co, which oversees more than $4 billion of assets. More -


http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7469607
 
Oh joy, people talking about my clients ...

Oh joy ... people are talking about the companies I work at.

Just had dinner with my closest colleague from Merrill tonight.
Also there were our colleagues at Goldman and Lehman too.
I delight in what people think, and even more in what they do not know.

When people talk about the "credit crunch," they don't realize what they are talking about.
Money isn't fixed, it's about how much people trust others to lend it.
The more they don't, the more they require you to keep liquid, the less that is lent.
And that means less money to go around, as the money multiplier is drastically reduced.

I.e., less money exists.

It's not about the rich or poor.
It's not about the penniless or grossly wealthy.
It's about the amount of money that goes around and funds everything.
People make it about right and wrong, and that's nothing of the sort.

It really started with the realtors and apraisers who didn't live up to their required, professional ethics.
And it kinda rolled out into greed at all levels -- from the smallest buyer to the biggest investment bank.
And now no matter what the Fed does, those with money actually have less of it, and those who have little money have less as well.
Everyone has less, as a result of people not trusting one another.

Heck, even Frontier Airlines filed Chapter 11 not because they are going Bankrupt, but because a bank changed its terms and started holding more of their money on them.
They filed Chapter 11 to stop that, which it does, and not because they are in danger of going out of business.
Everyone is running to bankruptcy to stop others from taking more of their money, of which there is far, far less.
We are all losing in this, as less money exists, as the money multiplier is reduced, as more liquidity is expected.

It's not going to end pretty for most people.
All I can say is that I drive the cheapest, oldest 4 cylinder car on my street ($10,000, and that was 12 years ago ;) ).
I have the smallest house of anyone on my street (1,200 sq. feet), and it was falling apart when I bought it (sunk $30,000 into it over 10 years).
I spend no money, I live on nothing, I've learned to do that between the good times and the bad.

And I travel every week, and work on Wall Street.
People think I'm rich by what I make, but that's not always what I made (1/3-1/4th when I worked for NASA, let alone some more recent years, being self-employed, it was bad).
No, I'm rich because I have 0 debt (even though my wife and I put ourselves through college, her especially so coming from a poor family), and that's how I've always tried to be.
My neighbors have 2x the house, 3x the car (or cars), and don't even make 1/3rd of what I do now (although there were years where I didn't work a lot and made only 1/5th of what I do now, and that goes with being self-employed sometimes).

Everyone believes others will help them, or the government.
I've always known that whether I make less $20,000 or over $200,000/year, I had better live on only $20,000-30,000/year max.
I save the rest -- saving more than I live on per year on good years.
Why?

Because what takes me to live on $20,000-30,000/year now, is what will be the equivalent to $100,000/year in 30+ years when I retire.
And to live off of $100,000/year in 30+ years, that means I need to have $2.5M in investments that average a 4% return to yield $100,000/year to live on in retirement.
So that means saving $40,000/year for 30 years, which only gets me half, and I have to hope growth and income will double it to the $2.5M I need.

That's my life. That's reality. I'm not rich. I'm just trying not to be a burden on society. I certainly don't live rich at all.
Heck, most of my neighbors think I'm poor!
And I live in a lower middle class suburb in Florida, and I'm "poor" in their eyes. ;)
I honestly stopped carrying about what people think, what they actually do with their lives is what really matters.

Especially the burden they are, or are not, on the public and society.
I have a colleague who has only made $25-35,000/year his entire life.
He lives far more tightly than I, with a wife and two kids no less, and does alright.
He doesn't live beyond his means, and he's one of those people that have the right to cut no one any slack, even more than I.

Same deal with my wife, she had 0 breaks, but people hate her for working full-time while going to college full-time, and nearly having a PhD.
Same deal with myself, my reputation in my industry is something I did not have handed to me, but I earned, and my integrity is beyond question.
No one has the right to judge me, as I do not judge others.
But I'm not blaming anyone for this except the people who got themselves into it, and I was not one of them.

But it is my tax burden, grossly more than most others, that will be bailing them out -- along with everyone else who saved money and didn't spend.
Everyone who were not responsible for this will be the responsible folk who will pay and bail out those who were irresponsible and caused this.
From the biggest investment banks down to people who spent beyond their means, and assumed their employers or the government would take care of them.
I learned that long ago to not even be remotely true, even when I got screwed over and lost $30,000 at one client myself.

I had nothing handed to me.
But I am damn self-sufficient, because I've had to be.
My wife even more so.
And I don't know anyone who had a childhood as rough as her.
 
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