Anybody else think this is getting out of control?

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Has anyone ever stood Watch before? I have. I'm sure there are a few in here who served in the military.

Seeing how Zimmerman was the man on duty that night, he had every right to question Trayvon, even though it was a non military area, I'm sure he had regulations to follow.


The General Orders for Sentries are quite similar between the Navy and Marine Corps, the main differences being the titles of positions referenced in the orders. The Navy Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps (NJROTC), Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps (NROTC) also use the following General Orders to the Sentry.
The General Orders for Navy and Marines are as follows:

1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
When you are a sentry, you are "in charge." This means that no one—no matter what their rank or position—may overrule your authority in carrying out your orders. The only way that you may be exempted from carrying out your orders is if your orders are changed by your superior. For example, if your orders are to allow no one to enter a fenced-in compound, you must prevent everyone from entering, even if an admiral tells you it is all right for him or her to enter. The petty officer of the watch (or whoever is your immediate superior) may modify your orders to allow the admiral to enter, but without that authorization you must keep the admiral out. Situations such as this will not often, if ever, occur, but it is important that you understand the principles involved. It is also your responsibility to know the limits of your post. This information will be conveyed to you among your special orders. You must also treat all government property that you can see as though it were your own, even if it is not technically part of your assigned post.[1]

2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
"Keep your eyes peeled", as the expression goes. Be vigilant by looking around at all times. Do not be tempted to hide from the rain or cold in poor weather. If you see or hear anything unusual, investigate it.[1]

3. To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
If, for example, someone is climbing a fence near your post, you must report it, even if the offender stops climbing and runs away after your challenge. In this case, even though it appears that the threat to security is over, there is no way for you to know whether this violator is the only one involved. And even though the climber may have just been seeking a shortcut back to her or his ship, you cannot be certain that there is not something more sinister involved. Let your superiors make the judgment calls; your job is to report what happens on or near your post.[1]

4. To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guardhouse (or the Quarterdeck) than my own.
"In these days of modern communications, sentries will probably have telephones or radios at their disposal with which to make their reports. But if they do not, or if there is a power failure or some other reason that the modern equipment fails, the age-old practice of relaying the word is very important. The term "guardhouse" in this general order refers to the command post or point of control for the watches. It might be the quarterdeck on board ship or a tent in the field.[1]

5. To quit my post only when properly relieved.
It should be fairly obvious that you should not leave your post until someone has come to take your place or until the petty officer of the guard has told you that the watch is no longer necessary. If the person relieving you is late, report it to the petty officer of the watch but do not quit your post. If you become ill and can no longer stand your watch, notify the petty officer of the watch and he or she will provide you a proper relief.[1]

6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Command Duty Officer, Officer of the Day, Officer of the Deck, and Officers and Petty Officers of the watch only..
It is essential that you receive and obey all of the special orders that apply to your watch. It is also essential that you pass these orders on to your relief.[1]
For the Marine Corps it reads 'Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.'

7. To talk to no one except in the line of duty.
"Having conversations about matters not pertaining to your duty is distracting and must be avoided. If someone tries to engage you in casual conversation while you are standing your watch, it is your responsibility to inform them courteously that you are on duty and cannot talk with them.[1]

8. To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
"While this is rather straightforward and obvious, keep in mind that a fire or disorder of some kind might be a deliberate distraction to keep you from observing some other disorderly or subversive activity. If you are certain that a fire is not meant to be a distraction, you should fight the fire if you have the means to do so. Remember, however, that your first responsibility is to report whatever is amiss.[1]

9. To call the Corporal of the Guard/Officer of the Deck in any case not covered by instructions.
The rule here is "When in doubt, ask." If you are not sure what you are supposed to do in a particular situation, it is better to ask for clarification than to make an assumption or to guess.[1]

10. To salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
Even though you are in charge of your post and everyone, including officers, must obey your instructions insofar as they pertain to your duties, you must still extend the appropriate military courtesies. Both terms, "colors" and "standards", refer to the national ensign. The national ensign may be referred to as "the colors" when it is fixed to a staff, mast, or pike (e.g., when flown from a flagstaff or carried in a parade). When it is fixed to a vehicle it is often called "the national standard." A flag is considered "cased" when it is furled and placed in a protective covering. If your duties allow, you should take part in morning or evening colors ceremonies, but do not sacrifice your vigilance by doing so. For example, if your assignment requires that you watch a certain area and the national ensign is being hoisted in a different direction, you should stand at attention and salute but do not face the colors; keep looking in the direction you are supposed to be watching.[1]
A "standard" to be saluted would be someone or something that military personnel are required or encouraged to salute. Two examples of a "Standard" would be the Medal of Honor or a Medal of Honor recipient. Some commands require a salute to the family of fallen soldiers during a funeral or memorial service - this could also be considered a "Standard."

11. To be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.
Challenging persons while you are on sentry duty is accomplished by a mix of custom and common sense. When a person or party approaches your post, you should challenge them at a distance that is sufficient for you to react if they turn out to have hostile intentions. You should say in a firm voice, loud enough to be easily heard, "Halt! Who goes there?" (or "Who is there?"). Once the person answers, you should then say "Advance to be recognized." If you are challenging a group of people, you should say, "Advance one to be recognized." If you have identified the person or persons approaching, permit them to pass. If you are not satisfied with that person's identification, you must detain the person and call the petty officer of the watch. When two or more individuals approach from different directions at the same time, challenge each in turn and require each to halt until told to proceed.[1]

General Orders for the Navy and Coast Guard are essentially the same, except for the wording of two orders:
6. To receive, obey and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Command Duty Officer, Officer of the Deck, and Officers and Petty Officers of the Watch only.
9. To call the Officer of the Deck in any case not covered by instructions.
General Orders of the Coast Guard:
6 is similar, however there is a difference in the officers.: To receive, obey and pass on the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Field Officer of the day, Officer of the day, and all Officers and Petty Officers of the Watch.
9. To call the Petty Officer of the watch in any case not covered by instructions..
[edit]Army

The United States Army now uses a condensed form of orders, with three basic instructions. Previously it used the same Eleven General Orders as the Marines.[2]
I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.
I will obey my special orders and perform all my duties in a military manner.
I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief.



GZ was not a sentry in a military post or a sworn police officer. He had no identifying badge or even a windbreaker with the words SECURITY in bold yellow letters. What the hell was TM supposed to think, some stranger follows you, gets out of his car and approaches you, what would you have done? Now let's say TM was of age and had a legally registered gun, could TM had shot GZ and claim he feared for his safety?
 
Damn 19 pages and still going on.

If Zimmerman gets off, you can blame sharpton, the black panthers, Jackson, the media(editing recordings) for it, because they turned the whole issue into a racial circus. When Zimmerman decided to follow Travon, he was not sure if the hooded character was black, so I don't think he had a racial motive.

In these PC days, if you say you dislike the design on a black mans t-shirt, you are considered a racist. I always like BloodshotScott's posts, he's a straight talker who speaks his mind. Georges was only expressing his views on criminals. Neither them or any other people on this thread I consider to be racists.

I've tried to take color out of the equation, which is what the white lynch mob should have done, instead of baying for white mans blood in the media.
Lots of things don't look to add up in Zimmermans favor. I'm not sure if I believe he was even attacked. Zimmerman did appear to be injured after all, but you can't repeatedly punch someone hard in the back of the skull and have no damage to your hands. (which side is telling the whole truth here). It would be difficult to creep up on someone and sucker punch them in the middle of the street, when the street is empty and they're aware you are in the area.

I don't think it's right to shoot someone, unless they are robbing you, attacking you with a weapon, or they are pointing a gun at you ready to shoot. Take the beating, rather than shoot in a fair fight. A few lumps on the back of your head, are not severe enough to warrant a gunshot. If Zimmerman had more severe injuries, from a continual unreplied beating then maybe it could be justified that he was fighting for his life. Like I said before, it's up to the Justice system to try to find out what exactly happened, hopefully without the interference of Jesse Jackson and his white hate squad.
 

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Was Zimmerman aware that Trayvon was black? Yes. Even you would agree with that.

Just responding to BadNewsBewes statement.

NBC edited version:
Zimmerman says: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

Unedited version:
Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
911 operator: "Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?"
Zimmerman: "He looks black."

After being asked, "is he white black or hispanic", he responds that he looks black from the 3 choices. He didn't indicate that he was black to begin with, like the edited version would lead you to believe. "He looks" does not sound a certain statement either.
 
NBC edited version:
Zimmerman says: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

Unedited version:
Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
911 operator: "Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?"
Zimmerman: "He looks black."

After being asked, "is he white black or hispanic", he responds that he looks black from the 3 choices. He didn't indicate that he was black to begin with, like the edited version would lead you to believe. "He looks" does not sound a certain statement either.

Ok I get what you're saying.
 
I watched Jose Baez win that case in Florida concerning Casey Anthony. What a farce that was. I suppose those interested will be able to watch this upcoming trial within the year.
 
Damn 19 pages and still going on.

If Zimmerman gets off, you can blame sharpton, the black panthers, Jackson, the media(editing recordings) for it, because they turned the whole issue into a racial circus. When Zimmerman decided to follow Travon, he was not sure if the hooded character was black, so I don't think he had a racial motive.

In these PC days, if you say you dislike the design on a black mans t-shirt, you are considered a racist. I always like BloodshotScott's posts, he's a straight talker who speaks his mind. Georges was only expressing his views on criminals. Neither them or any other people on this thread I consider to be racists.

I've tried to take color out of the equation, which is what the white lynch mob should have done, instead of baying for white mans blood in the media.
Lots of things don't look to add up in Zimmermans favor. I'm not sure if I believe he was even attacked. Zimmerman did appear to be injured after all, but you can't repeatedly punch someone hard in the back of the skull and have no damage to your hands. (which side is telling the whole truth here). It would be difficult to creep up on someone and sucker punch them in the middle of the street, when the street is empty and they're aware you are in the area.

I don't think it's right to shoot someone, unless they are robbing you, attacking you with a weapon, or they are pointing a gun at you ready to shoot. Take the beating, rather than shoot in a fair fight. A few lumps on the back of your head, are not severe enough to warrant a gunshot. If Zimmerman had more severe injuries, from a continual unreplied beating then maybe it could be justified that he was fighting for his life. Like I said before, it's up to the Justice system to try to find out what exactly happened, hopefully without the interference of Jesse Jackson and his white hate squad.

i agree with most that you said..but the attack part?...(not saying that is what happened) but if i was attacked..i be damn if im asking questions before i react ? huh? im going to let you in on something cowboy, if you make up your mind to attack someone.you are opening all doors..the person your jumping may defend himself in anyway he can..i would..law or no law..i rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6..i think what this comes down to..is where did the FIRST! puch come from...that was the FIRST law broke.........take the beating! your shitting me right?..i got news for you my friend..im not taking a beating from no damn one..if you put your hands on me you best have your mind made up....and if i feel like your intentions is to hurt me..im not checking no color or id cards...we can discuss that when the police arrive..its been a pleasure NATURALLY YOURS
 
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Good call Smoknn. I'm with you!

The law here in Colorado says "if you fear for your life you have "just cause" to defend yourself even if it means killing the attacker.

And.... anyone with a firearm who witnesses someone getting the shit stomped out of them (man beating a woman, child, or another man) the law allows lethal force to end that attack.

Fuck Trayvon!
 

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You can't initiate a conflict with someone then claim self-defense. Fuck you, Samantha. And hey, maybe Jose Baez will take Zimmerman's case since his other counsel quit.
 
Official charges will be filed. Expect one charge of manslaughter.
 

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Maybe Baez will take the case. It's in Florida, Zimmerman's part Hispanic, and Baez hasn't been in the news for a while. Seems like a great fit. I wonder how many people will flip on Zimmerman just at the thought of Casey Anthony's savior defending him.
 

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