Another one bites the dust...

Oklahoma officer who mistook gun for Taser charged in killing of black man


Sheriff’s office found fatal shooting of Eric Harris by deputy Bob Bates was ‘a mistake’ but family says: ‘This is simply evil’


A 73-year-old insurance salesman and reserve sheriff’s deputy has been charged with second-degree manslaughter after he appeared to accidentally fire his gun instead of his Taser and shot dead an unarmed man, Eric Harris.

Harris, 44, died on 2 April after a sting operation designed to catch him selling a gun went wrong. He fled on foot but was caught and wrestled to the ground.

In video released by the Tulsa County sheriff’s office, the deputy, Bob Bates, yells “Taser”, then a shot is heard and he says: “I shot him, I’m sorry.”

A gun is visible on the ground next to Harris, who cries out in pain: “Oh God, he shot me, I didn’t do shit.”

On Monday the district attorney, Steve Kunzweiler, told the Guardian the sheriff’s office had provided him with the findings of its investigation on Friday afternoon.

In filing the charges on Monday, he said: “Oklahoma law defines culpable negligence as ‘the omission to do something which a reasonably careful person would do, or the lack of the usual ordinary care and caution in the performance of an act usually and ordinarily exercised by a person under similar circumstances and conditions.”

Harris’ brother, Andre Harris, told reporters at a news conference on Monday that officers from the sheriff’s department tried to discourage him from hiring an attorney.

He said he did not believe the shooting was “a racial thing. I don’t think this has anything to do with race. It might have a hint there somewhere. … This is simply evil.”

“When you’re the law, I guess you feel like you can do things and get away with it and not get exposed. Well, we’ve come to expose it. We’ve come to pull a mask off the evil.”

Bates, a wealthy insurance executive in the Oklahoma city, was named the department’s reserve deputy of the year in 2011. He worked for the Tulsa police department for a year in the mid-1960s and is one of 130 volunteer reserves in the sheriff’s department, according to Tulsa World, which said he had donated equipment as well as $2,500 to the re-election campaign for sheriff Stanley Glanz in 2012.

Glanz, 72, told Tulsa World he had not given his friend and fishing companion special treatment and that the sheriff’s office once had an 81-year-old deputy. Bates simply “made an error”, Glanz said. “How many errors are made in an operating room every week?”

On Sunday, the Harris family issued a statement which said they “do not believe it is reasonable for a 73-year-old insurance executive to be involved in a dangerous undercover sting operation” and added: “We do not believe it is reasonable – or responsible – for [the sheriff’s office] to accept gifts from a wealthy citizen who wants to be [a] ‘pay to play’ cop.”

Volunteer police officers are commonplace throughout the US, even in major cities, as cash-strapped departments supplement work by full-time employees. Whether such officers are deployed in desk jobs or armed and involved in potentially dangerous situations depends on the policy of the department and the reserve’s level of experience and training.

The Los Angeles County sheriff’s department pays around 850 reserves $1 per year. New York’s auxiliary police officers number about 4,500. While many departments cite physical fitness as a requirement for reserves, they are often not subject to mandatory retirement ages, which are 55 to 60 for many full-time police officers.

The fatal shooting of another unarmed black man by a white police officer follows the death of Walter Scott, who was killed in South Carolina last week after running away from a routine traffic stop. Scott’s death was filmed by a bystander.

In the video of events in Tulsa, which came from a police body camera, officers continue to try to subdue Harris, one shouting: “Shut the fuck up ... You ran, motherfucker, do you hear me, you fucking ran.”

When the 44-year-old says “I’m losing my breath,” an officer replies: “Fuck your breath.”

Harris died in hospital.

In their statement, Harris’s family said: “Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of all this is the inhumane and malicious treatment of Eric after he was shot ... No human being deserves to be treated with such contempt. These deputies treated Eric as less than human. They treated Eric as if his life had no value.”

More than 200 reserve officers have died in the line of duty, according to a list compiled by the Reserve Police Officers’ Association.

In 2005 a Houston-area constable who was armed was killed by police in a “friendly fire” incident. Last December a reserve deputy constable was arrested after a road rage incident in Houston that saw a woman shot in the head.

Oakley, Michigan, hit legal and insurance trouble after accusations that its police department was being funded by donors who paid more than $1,000 each to become reserve cops, resulting in a village of 300 people having more than 100 officers.

Bates was classified as an “advanced reserve”, assigned to the violent crime force. He was supposed to be in a support role for the sting operation but was thrust to the fore when Harris fled.

At a press conference last Friday, the Tulsa sheriff’s office said its own investigation had concluded that Bates had made a mistake and had not committed a crime. It brought in a Tulsa police sergeant, Jim Clark, as a private consultant.

Clark told reporters that Bates was “a true victim of ‘slips and capture’”, a term used to describe a mistake when someone thinks he or she is taking one course of action but is following another.

It was an argument used by former Oakland police officer Johannes Mehserle to explain why he shot dead Oscar Grant at a Bart station in 2009 when, Mehserle said, he had planned to use his Taser.

Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The incident inspired the 2013 film Fruitvale Station.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-eric-harris-district-attorney-weighs-charges

A 73 years old, armed and deployed in potentially dangeroys situations. A guy who had been a cop about 50 years ago and is now paying to be one... :facepalm:

But he's not the one to blame. The ones to blame, the ones that should be in court instead of him are the ones who hired and deployed him
 

Supafly

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That guy just went and bought himself a nice hunting licence. The best part would have been if he would have first sold an insurance to the dead guy's family before.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
How do you mistake a taser for a service revolver? Maybe the old man panicked but the "fuck your breath" comment sent a chill up my spine.
 

Supafly

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How do you mistake a taser for a service revolver? Maybe the old man panicked but the "fuck your breath" comment sent a chill up my spine.

That man lies on his face, shot in the back, and he still gets cursed at. What a fine job.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
How do you mistake a taser for a service revolver? Maybe the old man panicked but the "fuck your breath" comment sent a chill up my spine.

Maybe time to roll out an Alzheimer's Defense.


Harris’ brother, Andre Harris, told reporters at a news conference on Monday that officers from the sheriff’s department tried to discourage him from hiring an attorney.

If you want someone to hire an attorney, try to discourage them from hiring an attorney. "Don't hire a lawyer" just says, "We really screwed up, but please don't sue us!"

I think it's time to look up the stats on how many police involved shootings there are in the U.S. each year, that involve a suspect dying. I think we may have now crossed over the "media is just playing up shark attacks" dividing line. I think we need to know if, and for how long, the U.S. has had an issue with trigger-happy cops.
 

bahodeme

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Maybe time to roll out an Alzheimer's Defense.


Harris’ brother, Andre Harris, told reporters at a news conference on Monday that officers from the sheriff’s department tried to discourage him from hiring an attorney.

If you want someone to hire an attorney, try to discourage them from hiring an attorney. "Don't hire a lawyer" just says, "We really screwed up, but please don't sue us!"

I think it's time to look up the stats on how many police involved shootings there are in the U.S. each year, that involve a suspect dying. I think we may have now crossed over the "media is just playing up shark attacks" dividing line. I think we need to know if, and for how long, the U.S. has had an issue with trigger-happy cops.


The Washington Post did a huge article on this. I can't do the link on my phone. Go to their website and you should see it.
 

bobjustbob

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Does anyone see the common denominator here? These acts were carried out against CRIMINALS. Criminals running away from justice. I do understand that these cases all involve excessive force by the police. People we trust to be trained the proper way to address criminal situations. But it is the criminals that puts themselves at risk by not complying to an officer's demands and runs away. Are we going make no chase rules? Don't tackle a criminal because they may splits their head on the pavement.
 
Does anyone see the common denominator here? These acts were carried out against CRIMINALS. Criminals running away from justice. I do understand that these cases all involve excessive force by the police. People we trust to be trained the proper way to address criminal situations. But it is the criminals that puts themselves at risk by not complying to an officer's demands and runs away. Are we going make no chase rules? Don't tackle a criminal because they may splits their head on the pavement.
There's a difference between not tackling and not shooting him in the back.
The penalty for not complying to police shouldn't be death.
 

Mr. Daystar

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Does anyone see the common denominator here? These acts were carried out against CRIMINALS. Criminals running away from justice. I do understand that these cases all involve excessive force by the police. People we trust to be trained the proper way to address criminal situations. But it is the criminals that puts themselves at risk by not complying to an officer's demands and runs away. Are we going make no chase rules? Don't tackle a criminal because they may splits their head on the pavement.

Give it up man. No one wants justice, you chase them, and you were wrong. Send in a dog, you were wrong. Tase them, it's excessive, shot them, it's murder. People want it all, but don't want to suffer any consequences. If this guy would have sold, or bought the gun, people would be screaming for justice, when HE used it, to kill someone...unless it was a white cop, then it wouldn't have even been a blip on the news.

What I still can't understand, is why Johan seems to be so consumed with this country, and has turned onto one of the bigger race baiting assholes? He's always been a whiny anti gun pacifist, but suddenly, he seems to be the boards Representative for Al not so Sharpton.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Does anyone see the common denominator here? These acts were carried out against CRIMINALS. Criminals running away from justice. I do understand that these cases all involve excessive force by the police. People we trust to be trained the proper way to address criminal situations. But it is the criminals that puts themselves at risk by not complying to an officer's demands and runs away. Are we going make no chase rules? Don't tackle a criminal because they may splits their head on the pavement.

Scott was not a criminal (unless you consider driving with burned-out tail light a criminal offense). True, he ran because he thought there was a bench warrant out on him for overdue child support (there wasn't) but there is no hard evidence to label him a "criminal" (maybe "really fucking stupid" yes but....). Also, Slager was in possession of his drivers license so what was the urgent need to pursue him and, ultimately, shoot him as he ran?

Also if we're simply talking about cases of excessive force, the "common denominator" theory doesn't hold water, Bob. Here's just one example:

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?833276-Another-Example-of-Excessive-Force-by-Police

And a huge list of others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States

Truth of the matter is....you don't need to be a criminal or even disobey commands to get yourself beaten to a pulp or even killed by over-amped up cops.

That said....I agree that these are the exceptions to the rule....most cops are good, decent protectors of the community. The ones that aren't, however, are literally the bad apples that spoil the whole barrel. Bad news travels like wildfire, good news travels slow or not at all. Sad but true.
 
Does anyone see the common denominator here? These acts were carried out against CRIMINALS. Criminals running away from justice. I do understand that these cases all involve excessive force by the police. People we trust to be trained the proper way to address criminal situations. But it is the criminals that puts themselves at risk by not complying to an officer's demands and runs away. Are we going make no chase rules? Don't tackle a criminal because they may splits their head on the pavement.

I expect criminals to act like criminals. I don't expect cops to act like criminals. I expect law enforcement to act a lot better. People have to be careful with things like this to not turn it into a variation of the blame the victim tactic.
 
What I still can't understand, is why Johan seems to be so consumed with this country, and has turned onto one of the bigger race baiting assholes? He's always been a whiny anti gun pacifist, but suddenly, he seems to be the boards Representative for Al not so Sharpton.
Because the story happens again and again and again. Since Ferguson, how many times have we seen stories of unarmed blacks shot by police ? I would say at least 5, within 8 months. And the cops always get away with it.

Now you say it is race baiting ?
You're the one who brought race in this discussion, I didn't said anything about race. The article I quoted doesn't said anything about race. It even includes a quote from the victim's brother telling he does not believe it was about race.
You're the one who brought race into the discussion. You're the one doing who's race-baiting. Probably not the kind of race-baiting you referred to when you said I did but still race-baiting...
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
How do you mistake a taser for a service revolver?

I've always wondered that myself. I can sort of buy into the "heat of the moment" argument where one might not be paying full attention to which sidearm they are grabbing, but if you are an experienced, trained officer of the law, you should definitely know the difference. Gun on one side of your hip, taser on the other. No mistakes.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
I expect criminals to act like criminals. I don't expect cops to act like criminals. I expect law enforcement to act a lot better. People have to be careful with things like this to not turn it into a variation of the blame the victim tactic.

I am all for police acting in a responsible manner. When police are brought into a situation it should be brought into control. However, it doesn't always work that way just because blue with a badge shows up. If the police are not getting cooperation getting control then it becomes a situation where... I don't know, the situation escalates and may be beyond what the policeman can control? Lots of shit unknown when you step out of that car and get involved. Someone takes off running and you don't know what's going to happen. They could go hurt someone else. Jack a car. These thing do happen and you know it. The shot in the back 8 times in the park was many times wrong. Undisputed jail for that cop. Cop caught him once when he fled the car and could have easily caught him again. Notwithstanding, running away from situations where police are involved is not a good thing to do. Can we all assume that they ain't running because they have to take a piss or need to feed the dog?
 
Because the story happens again and again and again. Since Ferguson, how many times have we seen stories of unarmed blacks shot by police ? I would say at least 5, within 8 months. And the cops always get away with it.

Now you say it is race baiting ?
You're the one who brought race in this discussion, I didn't said anything about race. The article I quoted doesn't said anything about race. It even includes a quote from the victim's brother telling he does not believe it was about race.
You're the one who brought race into the discussion. You're the one doing who's race-baiting. Probably not the kind of race-baiting you referred to when you said I did but still race-baiting...

In all fairness, Johan, it appears you take the same side in life and death struggles between Whites and Blacks in America when Blacks are killed also making gross and inflammatory assumptions with no knowledge or experience to do so. I feel it would've been much less likely for you to start this thread unless there was some racial component that could be exploited either initially or knowing it would be further into the thread. There are other elements to this incident but enough consistency that it's too much coincidence to be coincidental. You might not admit to race-baiting but you gotta admit to frequent baiting. C'mon now...
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
In all fairness, Johan, it appears you take the same side in life and death struggles between Whites and Blacks in America when Blacks are killed also making gross and inflammatory assumptions with no knowledge or experience to do so. I feel it would've been much less likely for you to start this thread unless there was some racial component that could be exploited either initially or knowing it would be further into the thread. There are other elements to this incident but enough consistency that it's too much coincidence to be coincidental. You Might not admit to race-baiting but you gotta admit to frequent baiting. C'mon now...

Yea, Johan also hates guns but defends someone that is trying to illegally sell them because they are running away. No wonder people in France are afraid to walk the streets.
 
Yea, Johan also hates guns but defends someone that is trying to illegally sell them because they are running away. No wonder people in France are afraid to walk the streets.

He definitely has his fixations and certain things titillate him more than others. Racial division can be some of the most enticing ball-draining porno to some. I guess it's better than his neighbors smearing poo all over their face for kicks.
 
How do you mistake a taser for a service revolver?
I've always wondered that myself. I can sort of buy into the "heat of the moment" argument where one might not be paying full attention to which sidearm they are grabbing, but if you are an experienced, trained officer of the law, you should definitely know the difference. Gun on one side of your hip, taser on the other. No mistakes.

3 words : 73 years old
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Because the story happens again and again and again. Since Ferguson, how many times have we seen stories of unarmed blacks shot by police ? I would say at least 5, within 8 months. And the cops always get away with it.

Now you say it is race baiting ?
You're the one who brought race in this discussion, I didn't said anything about race. The article I quoted doesn't said anything about race. It even includes a quote from the victim's brother telling he does not believe it was about race.
You're the one who brought race into the discussion. You're the one doing who's race-baiting. Probably not the kind of race-baiting you referred to when you said I did but still race-baiting...


What's this "we" shit....you don't live here, and in France you spell it oui, and it means yes. You are race bating, because you go out of your way to post stories that are racially motivated, and biased.
 
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