Another one bites the dust...

[Supafly]

I've always wondered that myself. I can sort of buy into the "heat of the moment" argument where one might not be paying full attention to which sidearm they are grabbing, but if you are an experienced, trained officer of the law, you should definitely know the difference. Gun on one side of your hip, taser on the other. No mistakes.

3 words : 73 years old

Some more thoughts about this: We really got heated about this - and I say, rightly so. But going into old routines about specific members "hot topcs" isn't really helping. That s just talking smack to get around arguing, possibly for lack of valid points, don't know.

The quotes above hint at a central issue, the man is not a fully trained, long-serving police officer, he paid for being one, and I assume that caused a shortage of training and experience. And he is in an age range where you just are not as fast and able to get things right in a rush. I believe he could have been an excellent officer indoors, using his life's experience handling people in situations where there is no firefight and fistfight involved.

I am waiting for news that shine a light on his personal background, now he turned himself in. Was he really thinking he could do something like a volunteer sheriff in the wild wild west, now he had free time, as he maybe stopped working fulltime as an insurance dealer? Right now that is my working theory, until things indicate otherwise.

 

[Rey C.]

Give it up man. No one wants justice...

Speaking only for myself: I want justice. But I have no desire to live in a police state, where cops are allowed to make their own laws and enforce street justice. It is my understanding that the violent crime rate in North Korea is VERY low. Just sayin'...


He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.

 

[Rey C.]

The Washington Post did a huge article on this. I can't do the link on my phone. Go to their website and you should see it.

Thanks. If it's a good statistical breakdown, I believe that will be interesting.

That said....I agree that these are the exceptions to the rule....most cops are good, decent protectors of the community. The ones that aren't, however, are literally the bad apples that spoil the whole barrel. Bad news travels like wildfire, good news travels slow or not at all. Sad but true.

I agreed with your entire post. But I wanted to point this part out. I agree with it too. But just wanted to add that I also believe that the majority of cops are just people who are out there doing a job, and want to go home safely when their shift is over. One of the problems that I'm aware of (in an anecdotal sense from personal observations): a "good" cop will not turn in a "bad" cop.

To loosely paraphrase one of my quality measure questions that I pose to managers I'm training: Ten cops in a room. Nine are choir boys. One is a mouth-breathing ape, who beats up suspects and is on the take. The other nine know about it but won't/can't say anything. How many "good" cops are in the room?

 

[Supafly]

Thanks. If it's a good statistical breakdown, I believe that will be interesting.



I agreed with your entire post. But I wanted to point this part out. I agree with it too. But just wanted to add that I also believe that the majority of cops are just people who are out there doing a job, and want to go home safely when their shift is over. One of the problems that I'm aware of (in an anecdotal sense from personal observations): a "good" cop will not turn in a "bad" cop.

To loosely paraphrase one of my quality measure questions that I pose to managers I'm training: Ten cops in a room. Nine are choir boys. One is a mouth-breathing ape, who beats up suspects and is on the take. The other nine know about it but won't/can't say anything. How many "good" cops are in the room?

That is probably THE key problem. As long as there is this spirit of cover-up for pretty much ANY thing a fellow officer does, it is as in the court cases I was a lay judge in, if you stand by and you CAN do something but you choose to NOT do something to change the situation, you become a bad guy right in that moment.

If I were religious, I would pray that it won't take many more deaths until officers start to realize they are putting thamselves on the wron side when it's high time to step up and change the way things go.

 

[Jagger69]

I agreed with your entire post. But I wanted to point this part out. I agree with it too. But just wanted to add that I also believe that the majority of cops are just people who are out there doing a job, and want to go home safely when their shift is over. One of the problems that I'm aware of (in an anecdotal sense from personal observations): a "good" cop will not turn in a "bad" cop.

To loosely paraphrase one of my quality measure questions that I pose to managers I'm training: Ten cops in a room. Nine are choir boys. One is a mouth-breathing ape, who beats up suspects and is on the take. The other nine know about it but won't/can't say anything. How many "good" cops are in the room?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

 

[Elwood70]

Thanks. If it's a good statistical breakdown, I believe that will be interesting.



I agreed with your entire post. But I wanted to point this part out. I agree with it too. But just wanted to add that I also believe that the majority of cops are just people who are out there doing a job, and want to go home safely when their shift is over. One of the problems that I'm aware of (in an anecdotal sense from personal observations): a "good" cop will not turn in a "bad" cop.

To loosely paraphrase one of my quality measure questions that I pose to managers I'm training: Ten cops in a room. Nine are choir boys. One is a mouth-breathing ape, who beats up suspects and is on the take. The other nine know about it but won't/can't say anything. How many "good" cops are in the room?

That is probably THE key problem. As long as there is this spirit of cover-up for pretty much ANY thing a fellow officer does, it is as in the court cases I was a lay judge in, if you stand by and you CAN do something but you choose to NOT do something to change the situation, you become a bad guy right in that moment.

If I were religious, I would pray that it won't take many more deaths until officers start to realize they are putting thamselves on the wron side when it's high time to step up and change the way things go.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Until we eliminate the "blue wall'; this shit is only going to get worse.