Al Qaida number 3 and his family blown to fucking bits by drone's missile
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First of all, the areas and terrain you're talking about would be a challenge for any fighting force to tackle much less a force like Pakistan's. That said they have little incentive to go fucking around in those areas...what is the necessity for them per se beyond our interests in them doing it??
As far as the ISI goes..Are they reluctant allies in some of our efforts?...probably true..Are they waving US flags?..probably not..they are a country overwhelmingly Muslim and their societal values generally don't track with ours.
But to convert that natural reality into some suspicion the ISI would back a terror attack against the US. (nukes no less) is pretty ignorant and loony IMO.
By the way, who was the previous No. 3? Haven't we gotten lots of No. 3's already?
Osama: "Hey, Omar, your turn to be No. 3"
Omar: :eek:
Osama: "Hey, Omar, your turn to be No. 3"
Omar: :eek:
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Not at all, Double-A. The same thought ran through my head when I first read the OP.
What a great show. RIP Patrick.
Why am I not surprised that you underestimate the power and influence the ISI has?
Oh well
Btw do you even know what the ISI is?
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Wow...do I even know what the ISI is?? Yeah...actually I do...they are the group responsible for the capture and handing over of many AQ including KSM, Ramzi Yousef and Abu Zabaydah among many others. They are also complicit in and assist with many of the unofficially sanctioned drone strikes killing many AQ and Taliban including and most likely the one that caused this thread. They also unofficially extract intelligence from suspects on our behalf.
They are the most capable intelligence agency certainly in that region and quite influential in Pakistan's g'ment (just like ANY intelligence agency with ANY g'ment).
What does any of that have to do with your misreading of the facts though?
We continue to put more pressure on Pakistan's military to do more and have warned of consequences if they don't. Which should be read to mean we will officially go after these people within their borders with our military. A circumstance neither side wants to see come about.
But it is pretty naive and a misreading of the facts to conflate the balance Pakistan has to walk in not appearing to be a US puppet, balancing it's military interests with that of US interests in terrain even we have trouble being effective in, actually doing our bidding against the likelihood elements of the Pakistani g'ment and/or the ISI would be complicit in a nuke attack on our interests.
IMO that is a pretty far fetched, ignorant notion.
They have to balance doing more with their actual ability to do more and not coming off as being pushed around by our g'ment for their own credibility-sake within their borders.
If Pakistan is guilty of anything, it's happening to have a region in their country which is pretty lawless and difficult to police.
The ISI supports the Anti Indian terrorist groups LeT, JeM, and HuM.
The ISI supports the Afghan Taliban.
The ISI supports domestic sectarian rifts between Sunni and Shia.
The ISI supports AQ elements in the Tribal Areas and probably knows the whereabouts of OBL.
The ISI supports the Pakistani Taliban
The ISI gave logistic support for the London bombers
You clearly underestimate this organization Mega. The ISI btw only gives up those who are no longer useful towards their (ISI) aims.
Please don't be so ignorant. However we'll just have to agree to disagree.
doesn't every governments intelligence agencies only give up people when they've become useless? id imagine its a common practice
I'm not ignorant..I know the ISI has their local agenda and you should know the same people who implicate Pakistani ISI also implicate the CIA and MI5 in the same conspiracies.:2 cents:
Except the CIA and MI5 have little to no influence in that region while the ISI is practically omnipotent.
Report: Pakistani spy agency supports Taliban
Here is more support for what you say Trident...bear in mind..I've always contended the Pakistanis have allegiances with Afghan and Pakistani Taliban for local, political and in some cases tactical reasons.
But equating that to their interest in supporting an attack on the US at the organizational or governmental level is pretty naive IMO.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_pakistan
The conspiracies being spoken about are not in that region.
Here is more support for what you say Trident...bear in mind..I've always contended the Pakistanis have allegiances with Afghan and Pakistani Taliban for local, political and in some cases tactical reasons.
But equating that to their interest in supporting an attack on the US at the organizational or governmental level is pretty naive IMO.
Continued at link....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_pakistan
Re: Report: Pakistani spy agency supports Taliban
Not naive Mega. Just trying think out of the box. After all somone would've been called "naive" in the summer of 2001 for suggesting that 4 airliners could be hijacked by jihadis and crashed into buildings.
The ISI can give intel, and logistics to their terrorist operatives like they did for the London bombers.
Not naive Mega. Just trying think out of the box. After all somone would've been called "naive" in the summer of 2001 for suggesting that 4 airliners could be hijacked by jihadis and crashed into buildings.
The ISI can give intel, and logistics to their terrorist operatives like they did for the London bombers.
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Ha. Just look at some of the comments in this thread. Not surprising really. Add a little bit of fear to the equazion, mix in some ethnocentric thinking and all of a sudden the so called civilized become advocates of war crimes, chanting on the killing of women and children. Did any of you dolts think that perhaps the woman had been forced into the marriage and become a slave, her only crime being born female in a country practicing Sharia Law? Too bad for her I guess. Or that the children were just unlucky enough to be born into a shit family? Pretty scary when you see parents cheering on the killing of children, more evidence the wrong people are breeding. The Geneva Convention was one of the main things that seperated western armies from the Taliban. Take that away and the only difference is ipods, expensive sneakers and obesity.
Jagger69's comment on the front page is a particular doosey. Rather ironic coming from somebody who wears his objection to capital punishment on his sleeve. It's easy to enjoy the righteousness of activism. A little bit harder to resist the groupthink when the shit hits the fan though eh?
These cheerleaders are applauding own goals. The militaristic adventures they love to virtual high five each other over have done a great job doing AQ's recruiting for them. But I guess they need these little moments to help carry on the delusion that progress is being made.
Jagger69's comment on the front page is a particular doosey. Rather ironic coming from somebody who wears his objection to capital punishment on his sleeve. It's easy to enjoy the righteousness of activism. A little bit harder to resist the groupthink when the shit hits the fan though eh?
These cheerleaders are applauding own goals. The militaristic adventures they love to virtual high five each other over have done a great job doing AQ's recruiting for them. But I guess they need these little moments to help carry on the delusion that progress is being made.
