A-Rod gets 600!

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And about the roids.
people over estimate the power of them.
they think about arnold and jay cutler and the monster top bodybuilders
the top bodybuilders are taking extreme amounts of combinations of these substances and eating like horses and lifting very heavy weights daily.

a baseball player taking testosterone is not gonna turn them into strength monsters.
to really get huge or even noticably bigger on test you need to take 1000, 2000 or more mgs per week and train with heavy weights daily and eat a real lot.
ball players are probably taking no more than 500mg per week and not lifting and eating normally.
its more to mantian stamina and muscle recovery.
I mean they are playing a sport almost everyday for 8 months a year.

I now accept it in pro sports, but acknowledge that players in the past did not have this advantage.

btw
I take 500 mgs of testosterone every 2 weeks.
its legal here and should be in the states also.
It don't make me bigger but it does help recovery from the workouts.
and my workouts each day are intense and heavy.
So maybe a little bigger considering recovery and growth go hand in hand.
But Is it cheating? if so cheating who?
To me its nothing more than helping the muscle recover and prevention of injury considering what i put my body through, and there are no health risks or side effects with such a low dose of a naturally occurring hormone.
If you start dosing out on these things, you may have problems, just like any other thing.

My point I guess is that many people think that any roids, any dose is a quick way to get huge......its just not like that.

Dumb as hell. Look at Bonds and Sosa when they were first coming up. They were about as big as Napoleon Dynamite, and their HR's reflected that.

Sosa never hit 40 HR until 1996, his 8th year, then hit 36 the next year, then exploded for 66 the year after that.

It took Bonds 8 years to get over 40 too. After that he hit between 32 and 42 Hr's over the next 6 years, then hit 49 in 2000 then 73 in 2001.

It is a known fact that both of these guys were on roids. Both were small, and neither were known as HR hitters, then they get big and start bashing them out of the park like its nothing, so how do you figure that people are overestimating the power of steroids?
 
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meesterperfect

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Dumb as hell. Look at Bonds and Sosa when they were first coming up. They were about as big as Napoleon Dynamite, and their HR's reflected that.

Sosa never hit 40 HR until 1996, his 8th year, then hit 36 the next year, then exploded for 66 the year after that.

It took Bonds 8 years to get over 40 too. After that he hit between 32 and 42 Hr's over the next 6 years, then hit 49 in 2000 then 73 in 2001.

It is a known fact that both of these guys were on roids. Both were small, and neither were known as HR hitters, then they get big and start bashing them out of the park like its nothing, so how do you figure that people are overestimating the power of steroids?

ok then, you know more about it than me.
its all about the steriods.
 
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Well, it is about the steroids. There's nothing to debate. Stats don't lie. Look at how meager the homers are being hit this season (post-Steroids)...and all the No-Hitters that have been tossed this season.

We might need to bring Roids back to see homers again :rolleyes:
 
Congratulations to the most gifted and BEST Baseball player in the world! :bowdown:

That statement is factually inaccurate.

And about the roids.
people over estimate the power of them.
they think about arnold and jay cutler and the monster top bodybuilders
the top bodybuilders are taking extreme amounts of combinations of these substances and eating like horses and lifting very heavy weights daily.

a baseball player taking testosterone is not gonna turn them into strength monsters.
to really get huge or even noticably bigger on test you need to take 1000, 2000 or more mgs per week and train with heavy weights daily and eat a real lot.
ball players are probably taking no more than 500mg per week and not lifting and eating normally.
its more to mantian stamina and muscle recovery.
I mean they are playing a sport almost everyday for 8 months a year.

I now accept it in pro sports, but acknowledge that players in the past did not have this advantage.

btw
I take 500 mgs of testosterone every 2 weeks.
its legal here and should be in the states also.
It don't make me bigger but it does help recovery from the workouts.
and my workouts each day are intense and heavy.
So maybe a little bigger considering recovery and growth go hand in hand.
But Is it cheating? if so cheating who?
To me its nothing more than helping the muscle recover and prevention of injury considering what i put my body through, and there are no health risks or side effects with such a low dose of a naturally occurring hormone.
If you start dosing out on these things, you may have problems, just like any other thing.

My point I guess is that many people think that any roids, any dose is a quick way to get huge......its just not like that.

Sigh, another of these steroids don't make you better arguments. I'll save you the trouble of researching the academic literature on the topic and just let you know that steroids have been shown to provide a boost to just about every athletic category that is relevant to professional sports. No one is arguing he never had talent, but from where he was to where he got tells the entire story.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
That statement is factually inaccurate.



Sigh, another of these steroids don't make you better arguments. I'll save you the trouble of researching the academic literature on the topic and just let you know that steroids have been shown to provide a boost to just about every athletic category that is relevant to professional sports. No one is arguing he never had talent, but from where he was to where he got tells the entire story.

well they will make you stronger, i'm not denying that.
i'm just saying that there are a lot of misconceptions about them.

i believe some of these guys, in the off season do three things.
eat a lot, workout heavy, and take roids, mostly testosterone.
(without just one of those three the effects will be very very little)
and they gain weioght and get bigger and stronger.
during the playing season they just can't do heavy workouts then go play baseball all night, it would mess up their game.
so theyre probably doing very little roids if any during the playing season, it would almost be pointless.
people think if you do a few cycles of roids you will become a monster.
yeah, you can, but only if you lift very heavy everyday and eat like a horse while doing heavy doses of them.
and for many, all the roids in the world won't change them, genetics are a big part of it

i used to be of the opinion, its not fair, ban them.
now i see it as just another tool available for atheltes to use, and acknowledge the fact that former players didn't have these advantages.
 

alexpnz

Lord Dipstick
A Rod is a blessed athlete who WILL break the Home Run record!
God bless you A Rod!:bowdown:
 

alexpnz

Lord Dipstick
Not if God has anything to say about it. :nono:

The great Alex Rodriguez is THREE times the ATHLETE that steroid freak, Barry Bonds is! :bowdown::D
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
The great Alex Rodriguez is THREE times the ATHLETE that steroid freak, Barry Bonds is! :bowdown::D

Maybe without the roids, but when you add in the steroids it makes Bonds 1.7 times the athlete Rodriquez is.
 
well they will make you stronger, i'm not denying that.
i'm just saying that there are a lot of misconceptions about them.

i believe some of these guys, in the off season do three things.
eat a lot, workout heavy, and take roids, mostly testosterone.
(without just one of those three the effects will be very very little)
and they gain weioght and get bigger and stronger.
during the playing season they just can't do heavy workouts then go play baseball all night, it would mess up their game.
so theyre probably doing very little roids if any during the playing season, it would almost be pointless.
people think if you do a few cycles of roids you will become a monster.
yeah, you can, but only if you lift very heavy everyday and eat like a horse while doing heavy doses of them.
and for many, all the roids in the world won't change them, genetics are a big part of it

i used to be of the opinion, its not fair, ban them.
now i see it as just another tool available for atheltes to use, and acknowledge the fact that former players didn't have these advantages.

It's tough to argue that there aren't misconception, because there are a great deal of misconceptions.

That being said, the most beneficial way for a professional baseball player to utilize steroid would be to start in the off-season, coupled with an increase in an exercise program. But to not use them during the season would absolutely negate any benefit. That's exactly why you have to figure there is more to it.

Roughly 95% of the people who were caught were caught in season, and if you look at a typical MLB team schedule, you'd see why. First of all, MLB is the only major professional sport in the US that plays over 100 games per season, (162), and they do it in the shortest amount of time of any major sport (a little under 24 weeks). No other sport requires as much on a daily basis as baseball does, which at the professional level usually consists of:

1 - morning workouts, which are usually just players running early in the day
2 - 2-4 hours of Batting Practice, Fielding, and Baserunning practice
3 - post-game lifting if time allots, if not, it's usually done in the morning
4 - every 3rd day traveling to another city, usually at least 2 hour flight
5 - the estimate given last year was roughly 4 hours of sleep a night, on average

Steroids in the traditional sense are useless to a baseball player during the season, however they are more valuable to a baseball player because of their tendency to lessen recovery time and lessen the impact of sleep deprivation, and fatigue in general. This is how the vast majority of baseball players used steroids, to recover faster.

You also have to realize that while genetics are certainly a foundation, they are by no means end all be all talent gauges. If that were the case, we'd see a much higher incidence of MLB family lines, however as it stands, that accounts for less than 5% of the players in MLB today. Genetics give you a start, but there is a great deal of scientific evidence that all concludes that steroids do indeed greatly enhance athletic ability, everything from strength to hand-eye coordination.


Bottom line: Steroids have a positive effect on athletic performance in the short to medium term.
 
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