Thats right! John McCain was born in the Panama Canla zone.
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/profiles/john_mccain
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/profiles/john_mccain
A Presidential candidate from last year, was NOT born in the USA!
- Thread starter Baill Inneraora
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Is somewhere outhere.
What's the problem.Aren't you guys used to politicians lying all the time 
John didn't lie about it lol.He was eligible to run.
Poor John he must hate Bush for creating an enviorment where he lost to a minority candidate.
Poor John he must hate Bush for creating an enviorment where he lost to a minority candidate.
Bush had nothing to do with it. McCain and Obama were neck and neck for awhile.
It was his ridiculous choice of VP that sunk him.
He lost that election all by himself.
The Panama Canal Zone was Considered a US Territory when McCain was born. So he WAS born in the US.
The point of this thread was supposed to be tongue in cheek. The flat earth birthers get all excited about BO but they don’t care about the fact that McCain was not born in the USA.
Debatable, (but of course, irrelevant)
First off the Panama Canal Zone was not CONSIDERED a US possession, it ABSOLUTLY WAS a possession of the USA.
Next, is someone born in a possession of the United States eligible to be President under the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution?
The US Supreme Court’s Dred Scott decision of 1857 left it to the States to decide who is a citizen, so if someone was born in a possession and not a state, then are they eligible?
Citizens from Puerto Rico do not have Federal voting rights even though they live in possessions of the USA, can a Puerto Rican run for President?
Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring statutory "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Additionally, the Immigration and Nationality Act defines individuals born abroad, as well as people born in most U.S. territories and possessions, as being "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth." The phrase "natural born citizen," however, does not appear in the current statutes dealing with citizenship at birth.
Debatable, (but of course, irrelevant)
First off the Panama Canal Zone was not CONSIDERED a US possession, it ABSOLUTLY WAS a possession of the USA.
Next, is someone born in a possession of the United States eligible to be President under the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution?
The US Supreme Court’s Dred Scott decision of 1857 left it to the States to decide who is a citizen, so if someone was born in a possession and not a state, then are they eligible?
Citizens from Puerto Rico do not have Federal voting rights even though they live in possessions of the USA, can a Puerto Rican run for President?
Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring statutory "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Additionally, the Immigration and Nationality Act defines individuals born abroad, as well as people born in most U.S. territories and possessions, as being "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth." The phrase "natural born citizen," however, does not appear in the current statutes dealing with citizenship at birth.
last couple paragraphs............paraphrased
Good call, Baill. Is there any doubt whatsoever that if Obama had been born in an "exotic" locale like Panama that the right-wing/GOP would have been searching high and low for legal loopholes to make it unconstitutional for Obama to be president because of that fact?
Answer: No, there is no doubt.
Answer: No, there is no doubt.
The biggest doubt the birthers have is the fact of record that O's grand mother stated he was born in Kenya.
Last I looked, Kenya is not nor has ever been a "exotic" locale like a US Territory is.
Not wikipedia, just fact.
Wrong. Never let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy/
Birth notice fom Honolulu
http://axinar.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-birth-notice-from-honolulu-sunday.html
I will stand corrected on te Grandmother story. I was duped there also.
But the notices in the paper mean nothing. Anyone in 1961 can/could get those in a paper. The motovation is still the advantage to have a baby born in US territory and not Kenya.
The sole proof is the Birth Certficate with the footprint of the baby that is issued from the Hospital. Not the Certificate of Live Birth that is being presented as a Birth Certificate. That is the only proof I need to firmly state he was born on US territory soil and leglly the POTUS.
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A minority with a Muslim name :1orglaugh Any other election in US history & that would have been a cakewalk for McCain.
Hey Nice info Baille...I was much to lazy to look all that up.
So what about kids born on Foreign US Military Bases or Consulates....are they considered Citizens?
Yes. If your parents are government workers who are stationed abroad you are a US citizen no matter where you're born.
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