2011-12 Football Season Thread.

[24 Grams]

So, Luis Suarez is an ass wipe. But we already knew that. And shame on Dalglish for continually defending him. He's just dragging himself in the mud along with him.

I know Dalglish wants to defend his players...but there is a better way to do it. He apologised so all is forgiven.

...Some folks like people who rub the oppostion up the wrong way in order to get an advantage which nearly worked...

1) It never worked because they lost, Suarez didn't even play that well despite scroing IMO.

2) There's rubbing people up the wrong way, and there's rubbing up a LARGE group of people...which can consequently demonize yourself and your club to the general public. If you're gonna rub someone up the wrong way, do it personally to the player himself.

What would you have done if you were in his position???I think I would have done the same or
told him to fuck off.

I would have shook his hand. Evra was willing to let the whole debacle go...what Suarez did will only incite further hatred against himself, which was probably what he was so angry about in the first place. Stupid, stupid decision.

But then again that's another stupid thing that somebody created,that shouldn't have been
done.I mean why can't they just shake hands after the game instead of inciting more aggro
before the match has kicked off :dunno:

No excuse. Children and pussies hold grudges, but men...REAL men do not hold grudges.

Before there was the Terry/Bridge and Terry/Ferdinand issues as well,and they couldn't learn
from that.

Those cases were different. This time it was the perpetrator NOT the victim that didn't want to shake hands. Imagine for a moment if it was JOHN TERRY that didn't want to shake Bridge's/A. Ferdinand's hand...THAT is a totally different situation.

Anyone know if Rangers are definitely going into administration, meaning a 10 point loss?. I know they filed for it but the final hearing hasn't passed yet.

If Rangers lose 10 points, Celtic will need to win 7 games out of the reamining 14 to win the league outright. I'm not sure though if it is meant to happen or not

Is it too soon to buy some jelly, the ice cream is in the freezer.

I think the situation is bigger than "if Rangers are deducted 10 points we win the league" crap. The fact that one of the two best teams in Scotland is going under administration says a lot about the current situation in Scottish football.

 

[tartanterrier]

Hopefully we'll will go into administration because the league is lost anyway,and then with the HMRC
issue they'll go bust proper.I've heard that it's £75M they'll owe and they'll be lucky to get £750K for
their squad :1orglaugh

But if that happens,will that then be the beginning of the end for the SPL,because if Rangers did
go kapput then a lot of the other teams would lose out and possibly go bust too,including Celtic.I'm
going by the fact that Celtic needs Rangers as much as Rangers needs them.The TV deals with Sky &
ESPN would evaporate because all they are only interested in are the Old Firm matches,so if I was
a Celtic fan I would be a bit worried although at the same time it must be great.But for all the rest
of the Scottish football fans I think the likes of Jumbo Jim will cumming in their pants of the prospect
of seeing the back of the Old Firm for good.

It would certenly be a good thing if they did to be honest if we are to become an independant nation

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Anyone know what Suarez called Evra? Just curious. :dunno:

 

[Henrik Larsson]

The fact that Rangers are in trouble is nothing to do with Scotland, it's their own fault for cheating all those taxes. If they are found to be guilty of tax evasion, then they deserve what's coming to them. Cheaters never prosper.

If Rangers did disappear, Celtic will be in big trouble and we will need an exit strategy. With no money from tv, sponsors, ticket sales etc we will struggle to get in the "big" players, we can't really spend more than £5 million on a player never mind £30 million plus that they can in the EPL but that's just because we don't get all of these investors coming in to each club to give a team money. If Scotland got the investors the EPL does we would have the "best league in the world", as that's the main reason the English teams can afford big transfers.

If Rangers go bust and disappear Celtic will win the league every season until a team like Hearts or Motherwell can become good enough, all we'll be able to do is try and get further in Europe. The Old firm is the only thing that is worth watching in the SPL, the historic and intense rivalry between the two teams is one of the main reasons why Scottish football is still alive.

Hatred aside, a life without Rangers is unfathomable and unimaginable

 

[tartanterrier]

1) It never worked because they lost, Suarez didn't even play that well despite scroing IMO.

2) There's rubbing people up the wrong way, and there's rubbing up a LARGE group of people...which can consequently demonize yourself and your club to the general public. If you're gonna rub someone up the wrong way, do it personally to the player himself.

1) They actually nearly got a draw,and if they did,then rubbing up the opposition or pissing them off would have worked.You could see that Ferdinand
and Evra were really pissed and they nearly both got injured when the both of them tried to hack Suarez down.

2) Football players do it all the time to get an advantage,and I don't think that will ever change,especially if it all works out at the end.You only have to look
at Maradona's Hand of God as an example and he's a fucking legend.

I would have shook his hand. Evra was willing to let the whole debacle go...what Suarez did will only incite further hatred against himself, which was probably what he was so angry about in the first place. Stupid, stupid decision.

I honestly think that the FA should have left the handshakes till the end of the match,like they did with the QPR Vs Chelsea game.It certenly would have
diffused the situation.Suarez probably did what he did to get back at Evra for the 8 game ban,and being the tube that Evra is,he reacted to it and then
Ferdinand rightly refused to shake with Suarez.But I think both players throughout the game were just as bad as each other via their antics.

No excuse. Children and pussies hold grudges, but men...REAL men do not hold grudges.

You seem to forget that footballers are just kids that are grown up men.

Those cases were different. This time it was the perpetrator NOT the victim that didn't want to shake hands. Imagine for a moment if it was JOHN TERRY that didn't want to shake Bridge's/A. Ferdinand's hand...THAT is a totally different situation.

You're missing my point.The FA should have not have let the players shake hands at the beginning of the game,knowing
that something were mostly likely to kick off.But instead,if they had have left it till the end of the game then it wouldn't have
been a big issue if they didn't kiss and make up.You could see from the Terry/Bridge saga that something might have kicked
off between Bridge & Terry, to which the FA were lucky.Then with the Terry/Ferdinand saga they decided against having a pre
match handshake knowing that if a situation like The Suarez/Evra occurred then there would have been a riot.So why didn't
the FA do the same for Saturday's game??? There seems to be a great inconsistency in the FA's desision making and I think
they should be held partly responsable as well.

 

[24 Grams]

Anyone know what Suarez called Evra? Just curious. :dunno:

If you're as curious as you say read this http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Discipli...Written Reasons of Regulatory Commission.ashx.

Happy reading . (Note: Read from paragraph 162.)

 

[tartanterrier]

I don't know exactly.All I heard about was Suarez said Negro (which is Spanish for black) So he could have
called Evra a black so & so :dunno:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

If you're as curious as you say read this http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Discipli...Written Reasons of Regulatory Commission.ashx.

Happy reading . (Note: Read from paragraph 162.)

So he called him a "negro"? Is that all? I'm no minimalizing just asking, is that the only word he used?

 

[tartanterrier]

I didn't know Evra could speak Spanish,isn't he French :dunno:

 

[Ulysses31]

So he called him a "negro"? Is that all? I'm no minimalizing just asking, is that the only word he used?

I suspect what he called him was commonly used in Uruguay and he didn't think it was much of a problem, he probably needed to realise that Britain is multicultural with plenty of black people here so what might be ok to say back home would cause a lot of offense over here. He needed to admit he was wrong and just shake the guys hand and move on, he was found GUILTY after all and if anyone should have refused to handshake it should have been Evra but it was Suarez who didn't even hold the moral/ethical high ground so he's made both himself and Liverpool look like bigotted idiots.

I didn't know Evra could speak Spanish,isn't he French :dunno:

According to his Wiki page he can speak 5 languages and is also learning Korean so he can communicate with Park Ji-Sung!

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I suspect what he called him was commonly used in Uruguay and he didn't think it was much of a problem, he probably needed to realise that Britain is multicultural with plenty of black people here so what might be ok to say back home would cause a lot of offense over here. He needed to admit he was wrong and just shake the guys hand and move on, he was found GUILTY after all and if anyone should have refused to handshake it should have been Evra but it was Suarez who didn't even hold the moral/ethical high ground so he's made both himself and Liverpool look like bigotted idiots. !

Suarez was upset about the length of the suspension, which (even to me) seems excessive. I've seen/read about much more offensive slurs used in Europe Football than that.

How much salary did he forfeit for the suspension?

 

[24 Grams]

2) Football players do it all the time to get an advantage,and I don't think that will ever change,especially if it all works out at the end.You only have to look
at Maradona's Hand of God as an example and he's a fucking legend.

Doesn't make it right.

Maradona's Hand of God was different. With the Falklands War and what not.

Rubbing up players by using racist words is going too far. Like I said...it should be personal instead.

I honestly think that the FA should have left the handshakes till the end of the match,like they did with the QPR Vs Chelsea game.

According to Liverpool, Suarez said he was going to shake Evra's hand, so there was no reason to abandon the hand shake. The QPR vs Chelsea match however...The WHOLE TEAM not just Anton Ferdinand didn't want the shake JTs hand and this was announced BEFORE.

It certenly would have diffused the situation

Shaking Evra's hand would've diffused the situation.

Suarez probably did what he did to get back at Evra for the 8 game ban...

If you think someone has wronged you...pay them back by beating them on the pitch. Suarez should realise there are millions of people watching who don't know what actually happened and not shaking hands makes him even more of a villain.

...Ferdinand rightly refused to shake with Suarez.But I think both players throughout the game were just as bad as each other via their antics.

If Ferdinand was right to refuse shaking Suarez's hand then Evra celebrating at the end wasn't that bad.

1) He did this as a reaction to Suarez not shaking his hand.

2) He was celebrating in front of HIS OWN fans after an important win.

You seem to forget that footballers are just kids that are grown up men.

Maybe some, but meditation on choices before action is required...after all only millions of people are watching.

You're missing my point.The FA should have not have let the players shake hands at the beginning of the game,knowing
that something were mostly likely to kick off.But instead,if they had have left it till the end of the game then it wouldn't have
been a big issue if they didn't kiss and make up.You could see from the Terry/Bridge saga that something might have kicked
off between Bridge & Terry, to which the FA were lucky.Then with the Terry/Ferdinand saga they decided against having a pre
match handshake knowing that if a situation like The Suarez/Evra occurred then there would have been a riot.So why didn't
the FA do the same for Saturday's game??? There seems to be a great inconsistency in the FA's desision making and I think
they should be held partly responsable as well.

Already answered this above.

 

[Ulysses31]

Suarez was upset about the length of the suspension, which (even to me) seems excessive. I've seen/read about much more offensive slurs used in Europe Football than that.

How much salary did he forfeit for the suspension?

I guess they were sending a message that racism isn't acceptable in the modern game, if they weren't tough maybe in the future players from ethnic minorities won't come to play in England and maybe here people (inc white) upset at the racist incident won't come to the games any more, many families now go to games whereas before it used to be just white males so fighting, swearing along with racism are trying to be eradicated by the clubs, not only do you lose supporters but also sponsors. I doubt Suarez lost anything in wages so he's had 2 months off, the most damage he done to Liverpool was them having to play Andy Carrol in his absence!

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I guess they were sending a message that racism isn't acceptable in the modern game, if they weren't tough maybe in the future players from ethnic minorities won't come to play in England and maybe here people (inc white) upset at the racist incident won't come to the games any more, many families now go to games whereas before it used to be just white males so fighting, swearing along with racism are trying to be eradicated by the clubs, not only do you lose supporters but also sponsors. I doubt Suarez lost anything in wages so he's had 2 months off, the most damage he done to Liverpool was them having to play Andy Carrol in his absence!

He had to have forfeited salary. Just like American athletes in pro spots forfeit salary for every game missed, in any major sport.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

If Rangers go bust and disappear Celtic will win the league every season until a team like Hearts or Motherwell can become good enough, all we'll be able to do is try and get further in Europe.

I'm not so sure about that to be honest. Celtic and Rangers push each other. If there is no Rangers to push them, they would not push to improve, meaning less money spent and more saved. It's not as if they have any real European ambitions, especially when the days of annual Champions League participation are gone. Other clubs, such as Hearts, would invest a little more knowing they have a chance to move up the pecking order. So I think the gap between Celtic and the rest of the league would significantly shrink.

 

[Smallville22]

Champions League and Europa League are back and some good matches are expected.

AC Milan - Arsenal
Barcelona- Bayer Leverkusen
FC Porto - Manchester City
Ajax - Manchester United

 

[24 Grams]

AC Milan - Arsenal
Barcelona- Bayer Leverkusen
FC Porto - Manchester City
Ajax - Manchester United

AC Milan vs Arsenal = Away win X.
Bayer Leverkusen vs Barcelona = Away win X.
FC Porto vs Manchester City = Draw X.
Ajax vs Manchester United = Draw X.


----Goes the betting website to place £10 bet.-------

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Anyone want some jelly and ice-cream?


I hope we can get the treble this year, since it's unlikely that Rangers will win the league and are out of both cups, it's been a while since that's happened

I don't think they'll disappear altogether, it's their own fault but I can't say I'll be happy if they disband altogether, it will mean Celtic will need to get out of the SPL and try and get into one of the lower league in England, to try and work our way up to the championship and even the EPL.

I don't think Rangers will disappear though, they'll come out of this soon enough

 

[larss]

Anyone want some jelly and ice-cream?


I hope we can get the treble this year, since it's unlikely that Rangers will win the league and are out of both cups, it's been a while since that's happened

I don't think they'll disappear altogether, it's their own fault but I can't say I'll be happy if they disband altogether, it will mean Celtic will need to get out of the SPL and try and get into one of the lower league in England, to try and work our way up to the championship and even the EPL.

I don't think Rangers will disappear though, they'll come out of this soon enough

It could be interesting if Celtic came under the auspices of the English FA and Scotland gains independence! Can a team from one country play in a different league?

 

[24 Grams]

...Can a team from one country play in a different league?

Swansea and Cardiff play in the English Leagues, remember?