18-7 in picks this week
My Wolverine's laid a Fu%*ing egg at Penn State!
My Wolverine's laid a Fu%*ing egg at Penn State!
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There is a reason the SEC gets as much respect as it does
Texas Christian. Boise State. Alabama.
Key word: can, not would
That's exactly right. Usually only the 2nd tier of prestigious programs (Oregon State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, etc) would be willing to play the top mid-majors.
Btw I was fucking stoked beating Georgia. Sets up the game of the year in the SEC East. South Carolina at Florida. For the right to get stomped by Alabama or lose a tight one to Auburn.
Thank God that game was on at the same time as the Spartans game so I didn't have to witness that performance.
I had a losing record in my picks.
But hey, if you include my UCF-ECU pick I was .500So you're saying to even have a chance to play for the national championship Boise State would or should have to go through an inherently incredibly flawed procedure giving every major opponent they face an incredible advantage over them, (Home field advantage means statistically more in football than it does in any other major sport in the world.) they would have to sacrifice money that would go to those schools, and they would be at the whims of those schools whether or not to they accept them coming in the first place when it's not in their best interest to do so as Titsrock as already pointed out? (A lot of top teams have turned down Boise State. Picking one that didn't doesn't somehow invalidate that. Everybody plays around with their schedule and Boise is probably not as bad as most of the teams out there.) Don't tell me that you somehow don't find that incredibly stupid, unfair, and against the integrity of the sport and against competition is supposed to be about?
Ready for this week's "Pick 25"? We didn't have any submissions for prizes so the only thing I have to offer is a half-eaten bag of Cheetos (the original crunchy ones....not those airy "lite" things) and an unopened set of "Val Pak" offers and coupons that someone left hanging on my doorknob yesterday afternoon (anyone needing any vinyl siding or a good carpet-cleaning will want to win this! :thumbsup.
It appears I won the Pick 25 this week
It figures I'd win the week that no handies or phone sex were proffered
I look forward to the half-eaten Cheetos.
Please send the Val Pak to Titsrock. His tear and urine stained Trojan gear could use a good dry cleaning.
The Bodie Top 10
1) Oregon
2) Boise State
3) TCU
4) Alabama
5) Ohio State
6) Stanford
7) Auburn
8) Oklahoma
9) Nebraska
10) Iowa
You are completely missing the entire point. I'm not saying what they would or should have to do. I'm saying that's HOW IT IS. Why do you think I used the Bobby Bowden example? Do you think schools back in the late 1970s were in a rush to schedule games against Florida State? No, hence, FSU had to concede everything, and even then, he had to wait almost 20 years just to get a shot at a National Championship. In a perfect world we would have a playoff, but we don't. When you play in a conference that doesn't even get an automatic BCS bid you have to be smoking crack if you think you're going to get a birth in the title game when you're playing a schedule that is almost indistinguishable from a 1-AA school's. (if you don't agree with this, you may want to check the most recent BCS rankings that came out 5 minutes ago, Boise just got jumped yet again).
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The BCS system is nothing more than an oligopical structure meant to protect "the chosen schools." It is organized crime and extortion and it's a shame that "higher education" sanctions it. The nonsensical, greedy, petty, sadsack system that is the BCS is so embarrassing that it's no wonder the ivies want no part of it.
Whatever the state of college football was in 1970 (when there could be 5 different national champions in any given year?) bears no significance today. There is simply too much money in today's CFB world.
The present Boise Bronco team is the same team that beat Oregon last year (a team that is entirely intact except for QB) and beat them in Autzen the year before. In the case of Oregon (and now TCU) how is it that they ranked ahead of Boise when Boise has yet to lose a game since those meetings? :dunno:
I watch ESPN's BCS ratings show and all the people/analysts they have, none of them have a fucking clue how "the computers" work. How can a championship be put in the hands of "computers" anyway? It's laughable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If there was an NCAA Scheduling Committee--than schools' schedules could be set up impartially and with a view to giving schools a chance to compete and win. Then, all those shitty WAC teams that don't want to and don't have the means to create major college football teams (due to money) can be wiped off Boise's schedule and they can get on some of those mighty SEC, Pac10 and Big12 teams that all sneer at Boise (and TCU and Utah).
My USC Trojans have more 5 star athletes than Boise has 3 star athletes. But they seem to be developing their talent, and my school's talent appears to be content with prepping for the NFL instead of winning games. Boise is out coaching the "Big Boy" schools that they play. The same thing will happen when they play a Big Boy school in a BCS game this season.
Boise hasn't had any infractions/sanctions, it follows the same rules as everyone else, but it has limited money, but it's been able to beat bigger, better funded teams :dunno: The American narrative of "good things happen to those who work hard and play by the rules" doesn't really apply "in the real world," huh?
The BCS system is nothing more than an oligopical structure meant to protect "the chosen schools." It is organized crime and extortion and it's a shame that "higher education" sanctions it. The nonsensical, greedy, petty, sadsack system that is the BCS is so embarrassing that it's no wonder the ivies want no part of it.
Whatever the state of college football was in 1970 (when there could be 5 different national champions in any given year?) bears no significance today. There is simply too much money in today's CFB world.
The present Boise Bronco team is the same team that beat Oregon last year (a team that is entirely intact except for QB) and beat them in Autzen the year before. In the case of Oregon (and now TCU) how is it that they ranked ahead of Boise when Boise has yet to lose a game since those meetings? :dunno:
I watch ESPN's BCS ratings show and all the people/analysts they have, none of them have a fucking clue how "the computers" work. How can a championship be put in the hands of "computers" anyway? It's laughable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If there was an NCAA Scheduling Committee--than schools' schedules could be set up impartially and with a view to giving schools a chance to compete and win. Then, all those shitty WAC teams that don't want to and don't have the means to create major college football teams (due to money) can be wiped off Boise's schedule and they can get on some of those mighty SEC, Pac10 and Big12 teams that all sneer at Boise (and TCU and Utah).
My USC Trojans have more 5 star athletes than Boise has 3 star athletes. But they seem to be developing their talent, and my school's talent appears to be content with prepping for the NFL instead of winning games. Boise is out coaching the "Big Boy" schools that they play. The same thing will happen when they play a Big Boy school in a BCS game this season.
Boise hasn't had any infractions/sanctions, it follows the same rules as everyone else, but it has limited money, but it's been able to beat bigger, better funded teams :dunno: The American narrative of "good things happen to those who work hard and play by the rules" doesn't really apply "in the real world," huh?
I tend to agree with you t/r...by any reasonable judgment Boise St. has shown they can play with (and beat) the BCS conference teams.
They either have to be the luckiest fuckers in the FBS or just damned good.
They returned 20 players off of an undefeated team a year ago which beat a top 5 team in their bowl game.
As it stands today..they've beaten Oregon St., a team some are predicting to beat Oregon and Va Tech..albeit they lost to James Madison...is still undefeated in the ACC and could win the conference.:surprise::surprise:
But I hate the fact that Boise St. just isn't challenged every other week in their conference.
They have beaten some good teams as of late because they are good and they seem to approach these single game instances as their Super Bowls almost.
Could they go through the SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10, Big XII or even ACC and do the same thing is the question. Where they have to play these types of games nearly every week where the level of athlete, program and systems are superior to what they see in their conference? Where good programs play you enough to study and exploit your tendencies?
That's the only thing I would have against putting them in the Title game over some other undefeateds and my supporting of the "Code Blue".:1orglaugh
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Okay, l will agree with you that this year's Boise State team would not go through the SEC East/West without one or two losses. Same with my beloved Pac10 and your beloved Big 11.
HOWEVER...could they go through the ACC, the Big East, the Big 12...:yesyes:
So, how could Boise put a non-SEC schedule together that would appease everyone? Who should they play without having to travel 3000 miles every week?
Would it surprise you to learn that the average SEC team travels 100 miles for a game?
There ain't shit anywhere 100 miles from Boise in any direction.
I think the future of CFB really is in a no conferences thing where a committee, much like the NCAA BBall committee, decides the rankings after all the games are played. Polls during the season seem to create biases that are hard to remove....
Okay, l will agree with you that this year's Boise State team would not go through the SEC East/West without one or two losses. Same with my beloved Pac10 and your beloved Big 11.
HOWEVER...could they go through the ACC, the Big East, the Big 12...:yesyes:
So, how could Boise put a non-SEC schedule together that would appease everyone? Who should they play without having to travel 3000 miles every week?
Would it surprise you to learn that the average SEC team travels 100 miles for a game?
There ain't shit anywhere 100 miles from Boise in any direction.
I think the future of CFB really is in a no conferences thing where a committee, much like the NCAA BBall committee, decides the rankings after all the games are played. Polls during the season seem to create biases that are hard to remove....
Seems like the solution would be for them to join a stronger conference. They will be joining the Mountain West Conf. so that will help a little but only a little because Utah is leaving the MWC for the Pac 10.
It is but they would have been in a conference with 3 undefeated, top 10 programs right now including themselves.
Had Utah stayed...the MWC would have added Boise St., Fresno St. and Nevada to a conference that already has BYU, TCU, Colorado St. and Air Force.
With Utah, TCU and Boise St....that conference would already be stronger than the Big East and tend to rival the ACC in it's current state.
Point is, Boise St. is trying and that move had the potential to get them what they wanted....Damned Utah!!!
Two years ago Florida beat Alabama in the SEC Championship game. The following year, the Gators returned more starters than Boise State returned this year (21), and got their ass kicked by Alabama. Reason being, Alabama was better. No one cares what happened when Boise St. played Oregon last year.
I'm a disagree with you here. I think Boise State would have just as good a chance as Alabama, Auburn, etc. at going undefeated. They are that good. And if they were in the Pac-10, I would favor them in any situation but playing in Eugene, OR. And whenever I have ever knocked them, it was cuz of their schedule, not cuz of the team. I've said all along I think Boise State and TCU are the absolute best teams in the country, just I would rank Oregon ahead of them cuz they have impressed me this year with some of their wins.
As for those 3 conferences you've listed, those conferences suck balls. Even if Va Tech were to win the ACC, that's not saying a whole lot. It's a hell of a lot harder winning the Mountain West conference than it is the ACC and Big East. I would take TCU, Utah, Air Force, San Diego State, BYU over any combination of 5 teams out of the Big East or ACC.
Since I haven't already, my top 10....
1 Oregon
2 TCU
3 Boise State
4 Auburn
5 Utah
6 Wisconsin
7 Alabama
8 Ohio State
9 Stanford
10 Oklahoma
Being that good isn't the only requisite for being able to go through a tough conference like the SEC undefeated.
The elements Boise St. would have to contend with that they are not familiar with now is not just whether or not they are good enough but whether or not they can be consistent enough to survive trap games, have the depth to hold up over a season ..not just a game with conferences that have NFL level talent on their rosters, be able to adjust when quality programs have a season's worth of film on them with Boise St. only having a week to tweak what their tendencies are instead of a month between season's end and bowl games, etc.
I'm not saying they couldn't at some point but if they were dropped in the middle of the SEC today...they would have probably 3 loses by the end of the season even with the SEC being relatively down now. Not because they're not good enough but because it's more to going undefeated when you're playing in a conference of other good teams than just being good.
I don't think 'Bama lost to S. Carolina because SC was the better team. They lost because most likely because they played Arkansas in Arkansas...won a tough game, went home to play Florida and won big ...possibly had a let down from this going on the road to play a team in S Carolina who has athletes and was laying in wait. That's called a trap game...
This is not an excuse but this is just the nature of playing in a conference like the SEC for example. They wouldn't call them trap games unless good teams tended to get caught in them.
Iowa wasn't 30 (or whatever) pts. better than MSU. But it's the nature of these conferences when you have to go on the road against tough, physical, talented football teams just about week in and week out who can study your tendencies and take advantage of your mistakes.
So until Boise St. has to endure these scenarios...being good isn't good enough IMO.
just want to confirm: JAGGER!...i didnt say this... because i just think bama is only one of the teams that can beat them..nebraska..auburn...iowa...utah(maybe)...ohio st..lsu..south carolina..arkansas..well really about any team thats not a walk in the park...would at least be a game..usc is so not having the best year to say the least..i feel the same way about oregon as i do boise..no disrespect...they have done all they been asked..but their is still some of us who think it hasnt been quiet enough to be in the top 5
maildude
Postal Paranoiac
TCU vs Utah
--Last year, the Froggies thumped the Utes. But this year, it's in SLC...and TCU has never won there.
--The Utes struggled against Air Force. But their showing on D might be a big confidence booster.
--But the Frogs have the top-ranked defense. And Patterson has his team focused and tight-lipped.
--It's senior QB Dalton's last year. This is the game to put on a show for NFL scouts.
Prediction: TCU: 34 Utah: 31
--Last year, the Froggies thumped the Utes. But this year, it's in SLC...and TCU has never won there.
--The Utes struggled against Air Force. But their showing on D might be a big confidence booster.
--But the Frogs have the top-ranked defense. And Patterson has his team focused and tight-lipped.
--It's senior QB Dalton's last year. This is the game to put on a show for NFL scouts.
Prediction: TCU: 34 Utah: 31
well said mega...well said..in fact i thin it was worth saying again so i reposted it
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There is a reason the SEC gets as much respect as it does
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There is a reason the SEC gets as much respect as it does
Not dissing the SEC at all but this chart simply displays where NFL players went to high school....not college. This data provides nothing to indicate that the SEC is the primary contributor to the NFL talent pool. In fact, since 1999, Ohio State is #1 with 70 draftees, Miami is #2 with 65 and FSU and Tennessee are tied for 3rd with 59 each.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-footballfactories031609
Plus, if you strictly look at high-school recruits by state, Florida, Texas and California are and for many years have been the leaders over all other states and these recruits end up all over the map as far as colleges go.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/21/bcsrecruits.state/index.html
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