2010/2011 NCAA Football Thread

[Hot Mega]

Oh I know. Believe me I know!

As an Ohio State fan, I would love to have that program keep RR and stay in turmoil.

However, UM is better than that. They should be competing for a Big 10 title and in contention for BCS bowls every year.

I agree that I would feel the same way if OSU were going through this. I actually have a few Buckeye buddies I hang with at my local "watering" establishment and they express the same sentiments.

It's fun to rib each other for awhile about it but in reality both sides enjoy the quality of the rivalry and want it to remain at a high level.

In the '90s many of us took for granted beating OSU no matter how good a season you guys were having and it became kind of pedestrian. Being on the other side now...I can see Buckeyes expecting at least for there to be some challenge.

 

[Skyraider22]

SEC Media day started today down in Alabama.Any other media days starting soon.

 

[Connor Macleod]

SEC Media day started today down in Alabama.Any other media days starting soon.

Did you see that some Bama players are in trouble because of another sports agent scandal?

I live in Alabama, but I'm an Auburn fan. I was never anti-Alabama, but Nick Saban changed that. I would love to see
Auburn, LSU and Tennessee beat Bama this year.

 

[Skyraider22]

Did you see that some Bama players are in trouble because of another sports agent scandal?

I live in Alabama, but I'm an Auburn fan. I was never anti-Alabama, but Nick Saban changed that. I would love to see
Auburn, LSU and Tennessee beat Bama this year.

The SEC has been hit hard with Flordia,Alabama,Tennessee,South Carolina damn 4 out of 12 :nono:

 

[CunningStunts]

Did you see that some Bama players are in trouble because of another sports agent scandal?

I live in Alabama, but I'm an Auburn fan. I was never anti-Alabama, but Nick Saban changed that. I would love to see
Auburn, LSU and Tennessee beat Bama this year.

Dude, no offense, but you should check a whole story, not just the headlines, before you decide to talk about a subject.

A bunch of schools are being looked into right now because some of their players attended a party supposedly held by an agent.

BTW, Auburn sucks Bama's balls. Always has, always will.

Sorry bro, couldn't resist... football season is coming

 

[CunningStunts]

The SEC has been hit hard with Flordia,Alabama,Tennessee,South Carolina damn 4 out of 12 :nono:

Add UGA as well.

The problem as it seems to be to anyone with common sense, is the agents, not the schools. Of course, the NCAA isn't exactly known for common sense... or fairness, or integrity... just makin' the money.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Dude, no offense, but you should check a whole story, not just the headlines, before you decide to talk about a subject.

A bunch of schools are being looked into right now because some of their players attended a party supposedly held by an agent.

BTW, Auburn sucks Bama's balls. Always has, always will.

Sorry bro, couldn't resist... football season is coming

I checked the story. I know a bunch of schools are in trouble, but the media is making a big deal about Bama. :tongue:

And Auburn doesn't suck. They stomped Bama's ass six years running before Tubberville decided to sabotage the team to give Auburn a reason to fire him, and he could collect that 6 million dollars that his contract guaranteed him for coaching the team for ten years.

 

[Skyraider22]

Add UGA as well.

The problem as it seems to be to anyone with common sense, is the agents, not the schools. Of course, the NCAA isn't exactly known for common sense... or fairness, or integrity... just makin' the money.

That is right Georgia as well.The NFL is also looking into the agents:dunno:A lot going on.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

BTW, Auburn sucks Bama's balls. Always has, always will.

Except for like 8 of the last 10 years.......

 

[Connor Macleod]

except for like 8 of the last 10 years.......

War Eagle!

 

[smoknn]

Did you see that some Bama players are in trouble because of another sports agent scandal?

I live in Alabama, but I'm an Auburn fan. I was never anti-Alabama, but Nick Saban changed that. I would love to see
Auburn, LSU and Tennessee beat Bama this year.

THEN you woke up!! ROLLLLLLLLLLLL TIDEEEEEEEEEEE:1orglaugh:wave2:

 

[titsrock]

Saving College Football

Debate 1
A--College athletes should be allowed to sign with agents and accept money. It doesn't really harm anyone. If a college athlete accepts money from an agent, then he/she should return scholarship money to school. The only real requirement for college eligibility is that a student athlete actually attends/passes classes.

B--Agents are an unnecessary evil at the college level. Agents should be required to pass an exam, register with a database and be forbidden to contact/sign a player until he/she has been drafted or after the player has run out of eligibility or left school early with no intention of returning. Basically, agents actions should be monitored and strict penalties administered to the agent and player for fucking around.

What say you?

 

[Connor Macleod]

Saving College Football

Debate 1
A--College athletes should be allowed to sign with agents and accept money. It doesn't really harm anyone. If a college athlete accepts money from an agent, then he/she should return scholarship money to school. The only real requirement for college eligibility is that a student athlete actually attends/passes classes.

B--Agents are an unnecessary evil at the college level. Agents should be required to pass an exam, register with a database and be forbidden to contact/sign a player until he/she has been drafted or after the player has run out of eligibility or left school early with no intention of returning. Basically, agents actions should be monitored and strict penalties administered to the agent and player for fucking around.

What say you?

That's not a bad idea actually, but I think the agents should be strictly monitored with severe penalties if they skirt the rules, and there should be a cap on how much money an athlete can receive.

Also, we need a playoff!

 

[D-rock]

Saving College Football

Debate 1
A--College athletes should be allowed to sign with agents and accept money. It doesn't really harm anyone. If a college athlete accepts money from an agent, then he/she should return scholarship money to school. The only real requirement for college eligibility is that a student athlete actually attends/passes classes.

B--Agents are an unnecessary evil at the college level. Agents should be required to pass an exam, register with a database and be forbidden to contact/sign a player until he/she has been drafted or after the player has run out of eligibility or left school early with no intention of returning. Basically, agents actions should be monitored and strict penalties administered to the agent and player for fucking around.

What say you?

Hypothetically under scenario B if somebody is an agent why would they ever feel a need even take an exam or register under a database in the first place? What are the schools of the NCAA going to do, hire a army of private investigators to tail every agent in the country if they don't to find out if they're breaking the rules? Even then what are they going to do, fail to punish somebody they have no control over, that isn't part of their institution, and hasn't broken any laws? Are they going to ban them from campuses which they already are?

You also left out what could be classified as options C and D.

C: Colleges and Universities admit reality, like everybody else has, and quit pretending their athletic programs are anywhere close to being amateur anymore. They admit it is a big money business that they run to rake in the cash for themselves. While doing that the NCAA opens up the option for programs to pay players to play at their school and dispenses with any normal classes and academic requirements. Players would become employees of the school. Players of course would always be allowed to attend the school in a normal sense if they wanted a traditional education. Maybe the players would be able to attend classes that teach them about playing football and maybe some of them if they want can also attend classes about preparing for life as a professional athlete and how to handle the money they would be getting from that.

D: Colleges and Universities decide they should be places of higher learning like they're meant to be and get out of being a business, especially being in the sports business, altogether. Future professional athlete hopefuls would then go on to either a developmental/farm league that's run by the top level professional sports leagues that will pop up once NCAA athletics disappears or they would go to an independent minor league to develop more and get the attention of the major sports teams. Either way they would be paid based on how in demand a prospect they are and how skilled they are.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Hypothetically under scenario B if somebody is an agent why would they ever feel a need even take an exam or register under a database in the first place? What are the schools of the NCAA going to do, hire a army of private investigators to tail every agent in the country if they don't to find out if they're breaking the rules? Even then what are they going to do, fail to punish somebody they have no control over, that isn't part of their institution, and hasn't broken any laws? Are they going to ban them from campuses which they already are?

You also left out what could be classified as options C and D.

C: Colleges and Universities admit reality, like everybody else has, and quit pretending their athletic programs are anywhere close to being amateur anymore. They admit it is a big money business that they run to rake in the cash for themselves. While doing that the NCAA opens up the option for programs to pay players to play at their school and dispenses with any normal classes and academic requirements. Players would become employees of the school. Players of course would always be allowed to attend the school in a normal sense if they wanted a traditional education. Maybe the players would be able to attend classes that teach them about playing football and maybe some of them if they want can also attend classes about preparing for life as a professional athlete and how to handle the money they would be getting from that.

D: Colleges and Universities decide they should be places of higher learning like they're meant to be and get out of being a business, especially being in the sports business, altogether. Future professional athlete hopefuls would then go on to either a developmental/farm league that's run by the top level professional sports leagues that will pop up once NCAA athletics disappears or they would go to an independent minor league to develop more and get the attention of the major sports teams. Either way they would be paid based on how in demand a prospect they are and how skilled they are.

Truthfully, agents are already supposed to registered in some way (I'm not sure of the exact details) but they've invented ways to circumvent this.

I don't think your options C and D will ever happen.

Food for thought - Jackie Sherrill once said, give me a team of investigators with 6 weeks to work, and I'll find violations at any school in this country. Sadly, I believe that to be true.
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[smoknn]

Except for like 8 of the last 10 years.......

keep counting..november is just around the corner...remember the year we beat auburn 35-0....thats what you call a ass whopping:bowdown: by the way bama leeds the series 40-33...and bama has 13 nationals...how many does auburn have?? i forgot.......o yea 0..zeroeee...noneeee....

 

[titsrock]

Hypothetically under scenario B if somebody is an agent why would they ever feel a need even take an exam or register under a database in the first place? What are the schools of the NCAA going to do, hire a army of private investigators to tail every agent in the country if they don't to find out if they're breaking the rules? Even then what are they going to do, fail to punish somebody they have no control over, that isn't part of their institution, and hasn't broken any laws? Are they going to ban them from campuses which they already are?

You also left out what could be classified as options C and D.

C: Colleges and Universities admit reality, like everybody else has, and quit pretending their athletic programs are anywhere close to being amateur anymore. They admit it is a big money business that they run to rake in the cash for themselves. While doing that the NCAA opens up the option for programs to pay players to play at their school and dispenses with any normal classes and academic requirements. Players would become employees of the school. Players of course would always be allowed to attend the school in a normal sense if they wanted a traditional education. Maybe the players would be able to attend classes that teach them about playing football and maybe some of them if they want can also attend classes about preparing for life as a professional athlete and how to handle the money they would be getting from that.

D: Colleges and Universities decide they should be places of higher learning like they're meant to be and get out of being a business, especially being in the sports business, altogether. Future professional athlete hopefuls would then go on to either a developmental/farm league that's run by the top level professional sports leagues that will pop up once NCAA athletics disappears or they would go to an independent minor league to develop more and get the attention of the major sports teams. Either way they would be paid based on how in demand a prospect they are and how skilled they are.

I would classify your scenarios as the Scorched Earth Scenarios (either for or against athletics)...

The NCAA could spend $100mil and hire an army of PIs who can make sure agents are kept at bay. Colleges and coaches could do a much better job of policing their own student athletes too. Everything requires money though.

I'm not sure Colleges would agree to the minor league/farm system approach. Colleges make too much money from 100,000 people in a stadium each weekend. If only C+ athletes play at the college level, maybe people won't be willing to shell out big bucks for tickets and bowl games :dunno:

 

[CunningStunts]

Except for like 8 of the last 10 years.......

And not a goddamn thing to show for it :rofl:

Nice try.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

keep counting..november is just around the corner...remember the year we beat auburn 35-0....thats what you call a ass whopping:bowdown: by the way bama leeds the series 40-33...and bama has 13 nationals...how many does auburn have?? i forgot.......o yea 0..zeroeee...noneeee....

I dont know why you telling me, I'm a Florida fan. And aside from the national title, Auburn has easily been more successful than Alabama in my lifetime. And they arguably should have a title themself in it.

 

[D-rock]

I would classify your scenarios as the Scorched Earth Scenarios (either for or against athletics)...

The NCAA could spend $100mil and hire an army of PIs who can make sure agents are kept at bay. Colleges and coaches could do a much better job of policing their own student athletes too. Everything requires money though.

I'm not sure Colleges would agree to the minor league/farm system approach. Colleges make too much money from 100,000 people in a stadium each weekend. If only C+ athletes play at the college level, maybe people won't be willing to shell out big bucks for tickets and bowl games :dunno:

Again, even if they could hire a flood of PIs what are they going to do, shake their fingers at an agent when he does something they don't like. At best they can punish a student who interacts with them. There isn't much they can do about the agents themselves.

When I was taking about a minor league system I meant the professional leagues would set it up for themselves because an NFL team isn't going to hire anybody to play for them right out of high school and with the exception of a very few players neither is an NBA team. The professional teams almost certainly would do that if the NCAA didn't do it already for them de facto. Either that or some minor league would come along, get bigger, and start filling the same function.