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Notre Dame doesn't share its profit with its conference. It is still the most profitable program in Indiana.
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Only sort-of.
Notre Dame doesn't share its profit with its conference. It is still the most profitable program in Indiana.
Reportedly Notre Dame gets 9 million a year from NBC; whereas each Big 10 member gets 22 million from the Network and the mouse.
If the Big 10 does secure Notre Dame, Pitt, Mizzou, Nebraska and 2 other teams...that 16 team juggernaut will force the Pac10 and the Big 12 to GO RADICAL.
The gloves will be off. That's all I'm saying. I could easily see a Texas/Okie/Colorado Conference (dominated with all Texas, Okie, Colorado teams) commanding more money than the Big 10 Network.
To be honest, I don't see how a Pac10 Expanded Conference could start up their own network and come anywhere close to Big 10 money.
I think the SEC obviously could but they would immediately raid the ACC for Miami and Florida State.
I think the ACC and Big East would combine into a shell of a football conference but they would actually become the greatest Basketball conference ever. That would be where they get their cable money back.
Maybe the Pac10 and Big 12 would combine forces into a Super West Vs Super Southwest Mega Goliath Conference?
Big 10 expansion, especially if they get ND and another big football team like Nebraska will force some extreme measures by the Pac10 and Big12. That's what I'm saying.
Okay, regardless of money (about which I clearly don't know as much as I thought), I'm telling you that a change like that from Notre Dame would shock me.
In fact, I'm telling you all here, if Notre Dame joins a conference, I'll do Jagger's laundry for a month. And you all know he's got that fungus....
In fact, I'm telling you all here, if Notre Dame joins a conference, I'll do Jagger's laundry for a month. And you all know he's got that fungus....
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Notre Dame only makes a lot of money if they get into a BCS game. They haven't done that in awhile, and it doesn't appear like they will anytime soon.
I think what has surprised everyone is that the Big 10 Channel has been a cash cow for the Big 10 schools. The SEC makes $8mil a year for it's deal with CBS and ESPN.
The Pac10 has had its collective head up its ass. The Pac10 and Big12 made the mistake of getting suckered into signing on to Fox Sports Network 10 years ago and Fox Sports gave up on its plan to challenge ESPN for cable sports dominance in the US five years ago.
I see the Pac10 having to really get into all of this shit if the Big10 gets Notre Dame and some other big football school.
I don't really see Texas ever wanting to be affiliated with Pac10 teams. Even with a new cable deal worth $25mil a year it might not be enough to lure Texas into some sort of Pac10 conference.
Notre Dame only makes a lot of money if they get into a BCS game. They haven't done that in awhile, and it doesn't appear like they will anytime soon.
I think what has surprised everyone is that the Big 10 Channel has been a cash cow for the Big 10 schools. The SEC makes $8mil a year for it's deal with CBS and ESPN.
The Pac10 has had its collective head up its ass. The Pac10 and Big12 made the mistake of getting suckered into signing on to Fox Sports Network 10 years ago and Fox Sports gave up on its plan to challenge ESPN for cable sports dominance in the US five years ago.
I see the Pac10 having to really get into all of this shit if the Big10 gets Notre Dame and some other big football school.
I don't really see Texas ever wanting to be affiliated with Pac10 teams. Even with a new cable deal worth $25mil a year it might not be enough to lure Texas into some sort of Pac10 conference.
I think the SEC should try to get Miami, Florida State, Texas, and Georgia Tech. Which, along with Nebraska and Missouri leaving (and possibly Colorado to the Pac-10), would effectively end the Big XII.
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Never gonna happen.
I think it is very likely to happen when the Big 10 pulls the trigger.
Jagger69
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If the Big 10 takes Nebraska and Mizzou, the SEC would have to respond in kind fairly quickly I would think. Rather than stay in what would remain of the Big 12 (who could they add....BYU and Utah maybe?), I think you'd see Texas sell themselves to the highest bidder (Pac 10 or SEC). If it comes down to that, the SEC wins. If (or rather, when) Texas leaves, I think you'd see the conference fall apart in short order. It may be able to survive as a second-tier conference but the big name programs will be gone. Sad (I remember the days of the old Big 8) but inevitable I would think.
Since there is never likely to be a playoff, this "super-conference" concept along with its divisional and conference championship game format may be the closest we will come to having actual competition on the field decide who the national champion will be.
Yep :thumbsup:
Yeah. I think the Big12 and Pac10 will have to combine into a super conference with a Conference Championship game. The ACC and Big East will have to combine too.
What do we do with the Mountain West, Conference USA and WAC?
There isn't going to be a perfect solution.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Yeah. I think the Big12 and Pac10 will have to combine into a super conference with a Conference Championship game. The ACC and Big East will have to combine too.
What do we do with the Mountain West, Conference USA and WAC?
There isn't going to be a perfect solution.
Slow day at work this afternoon so I invite you guys to tear this setup apart.
8 divisions in 4 super-conferences. 2 divisional championship games in each conference leading to a conference championship game. Winners of the 4 conference championship games play a single-elimination tournament and the national champion is decided in the National Championship game. Use existing bowl games for all divisional and conference championships. Rotate existing BCS bowls for the national championship tournament games.
Super-Conferences would be aligned as follows:
Big 10
East
Rutgers
Pitt
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Purdue
West
Indiana
Illinois
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern
SEC
East
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
West
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Arkansas
LSU
Texas
Pac 10
East
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas A & M
Texas Tech
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Boise State
West
USC
UCLA
California
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Big East
South
South Florida
North Carolina State
Clemson
Wake Forest
Duke
Georgia Tech
Central Florida
Southern Mississippi
North
Boston College
Cincinnati
Louisville
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
East Carolina
Marshall
Big 12
South
Houston
Rice
TCU
SMU
UTEP
Baylor
New Mexico
New Mexico State
North
Memphis
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
BYU
Utah
Utah State
Wyoming
I realize I am leaving out some pretty good programs like Fresno State, Montana State, Tulane, UAB, Idaho, Colorado State, Nevada, SDSU, Air Force, Navy....on and on. There simply isn't enough room for every school.
So....whattaya think? :dunno:
I think that is near perfect Jagz. I would say that the Big 10 East is too stacked and Ohio State would have to swap with Wisconsin. I LOVE that new SEC. Damn both Divisions would be awesome :bowdown:
I think it's realistic. This has to happen. It makes the Conference Championship games REALLY IMPORTANT as opposed to what they all are now--nothing but moneygrabs and BCS wreckers..
Where are your Longhorns :shocked:
I think it's realistic. This has to happen. It makes the Conference Championship games REALLY IMPORTANT as opposed to what they all are now--nothing but moneygrabs and BCS wreckers..
Where are your Longhorns :shocked:
I like the way you think Jagger. The only thing with that is the Big East would have about 25 schools with all the non-football schools.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Thanks for the positive remarks, t-rock. Yeah, I felt that way about the Big 10 East as well when I was filling it out but I did this pretty much on strict geographical grounds. It would certainly be easy enough to justify shifting a few schools to balance things out (I mean, hell, the NFL has Dallas in the NFC East and St. Louis in the NFC West. Last time I looked, St. Louis was east of Dallas).
As for my Longhorns, they are in what may arguable be the toughest division in college football....the SEC West with powers like Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU. :eek: That's OK....they can handle themselves.
Yes, I thought about that too. Georgetown is a perfect example. I don't know what the hell to do about those schools. Maybe a separate alignment just for basketball? I dunno....:dunno:
Thanks for the comments. :thumbsup:
Can the Big East and Big 12 still call themselves "Big" if all the good teams left?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I thought about that too but you have to put those schools somewhere. It would be hard to imagine a team from the Big 12 emerging to beat the SEC, Big 10 or Pac 10 champ. However, Utah took out Alabama 2 years ago so does it really matter? Anything can happen in one game.
Another phenomenon might also take place. Let's use the University of Houston as an example. Right now, they are in Conference USA. Any player who comes to Houston knows that he has no shot at a national championship....probably even if the team goes undefeated. Why? Because Conference USA is not a BCS conference. However, under this plan, should Houston win the Big 12, they have a shot at the title. It would encourage better athletes to consider schools they normally would pass by for that reason when it comes to recruiting. Literally every team in every conference has a legitimate shot to win it all.
I just saw another problem with my alignment however. There are 5 conferences, not 4. How do you have a tournament with 5 teams unless there are some wild-card teams that get added to the mix (there has to be either 4 or 8 teams to work)? How would you do that?
:dunno:I just saw another problem with my alignment however. There are 5 conferences, not 4. How do you have a tournament with 5 teams unless there are some wild-card teams that get added to the mix (there has to be either 4 or 8 teams to work)? How would you do that?
I never even saw Texas in the SEC. I thought you would've put them at the top of the conference
I think it's gutsy and sensible to put the Oklahomas and Colorado in a kind of Southwest/Mountain type division of the Pac10. The other Pac10 can be a Coastal division.
The way the U.S. is laid out -- 5 regional areas makes sense. How the hell do we squeeze a 6th area. :dunno: You're right though. We need 6.
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