12 Other Counties To Secede From California

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
North and south Dakota, north and south Carolina... North and south California, why the hell not. I live in southern California, not northern California. Personally, the way this state is going, I prefer to not live here at all because this state sucks. So if this fixes the **** fest this state has become, i'm all for it.
 

Elwood70

Torn & Frayed.
I always thought Carlin was pretty witty and funny.

I agree....he's one of the greats.Right behind King Richard (Pryor). But I tire of seeing his quotes everywhere,especially when they're not in context.
 

Juliuscaesar

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:hatsoff:

I see you didn't choose that name just because you thought it sounded cool. Good read. :clap: But in addition to what you've said, recall that the central government of Rome, by the late imperial period, was ill-prepared to effectively deal with famine, disease or barbarian invasions. All too often you had what Violator79 is suggesting would work here: quasi feudal states, (potentially) ruled by the military, some goofball chosen by the military guard or even a government propped up by a foreign power, at odds with our Roman... er, I mean, our American way of life. Human history provides many examples of why this would be a bad, bad idea. But to the Tea Party crowd, or those who think that the federal government is the root of all evil, they latch onto these fantasies and go with them... despite all of the historical and practical evidence to the contrary.

And if Mr. Violator cares to look back at the OP, it is about California counties wanting to secede from their own state. So I guess now that the nation-state doesn't work, Mr. Violator would go to the county-state??? Perfect! Just perfect! We'd have 3100+ "nations" within what was the United States. So there again, yet another example of why this notion of the U.S. breaking up into a series of nation-states or county-states(nations) is wishful (illogical) thinking. It would be the first step toward anarchy!


Well Ancient Greece and Renaissance Italy did pretty okay being made up of separate units competing with one another.Sure, this chaotic liberty brought down Ancient Greece as it was easily conquered by Macedon and then Rome, but there was another element thrown into the mix..Class warfare..When you're fighting amongst yourselves, e.g, amongst people from different areas of the country, but then fighting against members who live with you but belong to a different class, you try holding off a much larger power like Macedon or Rome.


As for secession, that issue was solved with some 650,000 Americans who died during the Civil War.Not to mention California would be too over represented if we granted Southern California the right to secede from California and enter the Union..It would set a pretty bad precedent for the future..

However, there are some instances where you need more local control, as in medieval Europe circa the 8th and 9th centuries.When you've got Vikings raiding everywhere from the Seine to the Loire, you can't just call up your warriors and send them out to clobber them..They would already have left and gone off to ****** another area..So you had to have a more local means of defense when you're dealing with fierce raiders.Also, it was quite expensive to raise cavalry, so you had to have nobles who could supply themselves with the necessary equipment..Remember,the Kings of this time period lived off what they produced on their estates.

Well, not to get off topic.The border is really and truly fucked.When you've got a country as hypocritical as Mexico telling you, "Don't put up a wall.", when they're doing it on their border with Guatemala, or when they say we're too hard on illegals, when they have WAY tougher immigration laws, it's just ridiculous.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Well Ancient Greece and Renaissance Italy did pretty okay being made up of separate units competing with one another.Sure, this chaotic liberty brought down Ancient Greece as it was easily conquered by Macedon and then Rome, but there was another element thrown into the mix..Class warfare..When you're fighting amongst yourselves, e.g, amongst people from different areas of the country, but then fighting against members who live with you but belong to a different class, you try holding off a much larger power like Macedon or Rome.

And that is just it. Without a federal system to guarantee certain rights (there would necessarily be multiple constitutions under what Violator proposed - while some regions may not even choose to have a constitution) and mandate certain services, what would we have with 48 nation-states or 3100 nation-counties? Class warfare, much greater than what we have now, IMO. I, or someone like me, might run on a platform (or just seize power) and set things up as I see fit. I might choose not to pay property taxes or have any of my money going for services that did not benefit me. I have no ********. So maybe I would choose not to support other people's **** going to public school on my dime. Maybe we would reinstitute slavery. I am still relatively young and have a number of firearms. Maybe I think I'd look good as the general of my own privately funded security *****. In my nation-county, we might decide that only male property owners over the age of 35 could vote. So many "what if's", but I almost guarantee that there would be immense strife around the question of class/income/social status. Not so different from the early days of the Roman Republic.

Greece, after being conquered by Rome, and the Italian city-states have now become little more than footnotes in history. This destructive and divisive idea would not come to pass in my lifetime anyway. But I'd like to think that no U.S. citizen would support something which would divide the "indivisible Republic"... and pretty much guarantee us to the sad fate of also being historical footnotes. I really don't want that. But I do have my concerns. :(


You're up on your history though. If there were more young people, like yourself, who actually knew more about history than about whether Snooki threw up on herself or wore underwear in the last episode of Joysie Shoar, maybe I'd feel a little better about our future. But if it does go down as Violator wants, I'm angling to place myself into the Equestrian Order - too rough around the edges to be a Patrician. :D
 

Juliuscaesar

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You're up on your history though. If there were more young people, like yourself, who actually knew more about history than about whether Snooki threw up on herself or wore underwear in the last episode of Joysie Shoar, maybe I'd feel a little better about our future. But if it does go down as Violator wants, I'm angling to place myself into the Equestrian Order - too rough around the edges to be a Patrician.

What's a Snooki?Well I prefer the Germanic warrior bonds of the Great Migrations in which men pledged their lives and their arms to serve a lord till either he died naturally or was slain on the battlefield, at which point they would fight till they were all slain and with their lord in the next life.There is a story that Clovis, the 1st King of the Franks, once got the warriors of some lord to **** their lord in exchange for "rings of gold", but when they had performed the deed,they later discovered their "gold" was actually gilded bronze or something like that.So they went to Clovis and he did not deny their charge of his duplicity, for eh declared that that is the "gold" men who betray their lord receive, and that they were lucky to escape with their lives.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
A Snooki is a talking gargoyle-like creature that's become popular on American television. I've never seen this creature before, but there are many (some here on FreeOnes) who insist that it is real. It is short, fat and grotesque... and can reportedly ***** its weight in *******. It pretends to be Italian but records show that it (if it is real) is from South America and is about as Italian as a taco.

I can't say much about the Germanic tribes. I've never studied them. A civics teacher I had in high school had a fascination with Greek and Roman mythology, and the Roman Republic. So instead of teaching us about U.S. civics, he interwove his lessons with stories about the "Great Roman Republic". Only years later did I learn that many of our Founding Fathers (including John Quincy Adams, according to Missy Bachmann :D) were also great fans of the Latin and Greek Classics.

Human behavior really hasn't changed all that much over the centuries. We're still driven by the same things: lust for power, wealth and sex, greed, hatred, fear... same as it ever was. And as much as we can see the positives from the rule of Augustus, his ************* to restore the Republic was (IMO) one of the saddest events in human history. But as I was taught, once power is attained, those in power will only relinquish just enough power to retain the majority of their power. Once ya got it, ya don't want to give it up.

SPQA :)
 
I hope this doesn't effect GTA V as it's supposed to be based in the state of California. And according to Rockstar it is a vast sandbox area to mess about it. If Cali changes does that mean this game could change?.
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
But, didn't Carlin get to live a version of the American *****?

Yes he did and he did it by showing what's wrong in this country, what's wrong with the human race and what's wrong with religion. He also wrote a few books along the way. Now if only I can find out exactly how he did it..........:dunno:
 
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