12 Other Counties To Secede From California

[Violator79]

Sorry, but I'm not aware of any evidence that the central government is the root cause for our current issues. If there were just a bunch of little nation-states, more than likely we would have been conquered by a foreign power LONG ago.

Throughout history, city-states (or small nation-states) have not fared so well.

Either you're totally naive or just ignorant to the fact that the federal government was and is royally fucking up this once great country worse and worse each day. Where do you think all the laws and pointless spending and giving to foreign countries come from? The central government decides everything that happens in this country, and they in turn are controlled by the ones who really own this country and it's not you or me. Central government in this country could work, but the problem is every single time an important domestic issue is brought up, all the lawmakers and politicians do is bitch, moan and argue among each other and in turn nothing is accomplished and more and more money is ******.

Each state should be able to run things it's own way and make it's own laws and regulations without any federal involvement.

 

[Trident1]

California was destroyed by the left.

 

[Rey C.]

Either you're totally naive or just ignorant to the fact that the federal government was and is royally fucking up this once great country worse and worse each day. Where do you think all the laws and pointless spending and giving to foreign countries come from? The central government decides everything that happens in this country, and they in turn are controlled by the ones who really own this country and it's not you or me. Central government in this country could work, but the problem is every single time an important domestic issue is brought up, all the lawmakers and politicians do is bitch, moan and argue among each other and in turn nothing is accomplished and more and more money is ******.

Each state should be able to run things it's own way and make it's own laws and regulations without any federal involvement.

Let's say you have 48 nation-states (we'll drop Hawaii and Alaska from the mix for purposes of this discussion). Within each of those nation-state governments you'd have a microcosm of the VERY same things that you have at the national level right now. The larger and more diverse the state, the more variation you'd have in the interests of various areas of the nation-state. You act as if the interests of the people in my area of VA are the same as the interests of people in other areas of the state and we'd just all hold hands, call ourselves "Virginians" and get along. My state is no different than others. Within a nation, within a state, within a county even, different areas have different interests... and they don't always play nicely together. 48 nation-states. 48 nation-state constitutions. 48 different currencies. No federal armed ******. I believe the technical term for that is "cluster fuck".

So from where I sit, it appears that you are the one who is either naive or ignorant (to human history) if you believe that people who, by random chance, happen to live within the borders of a particular nation-state would not have the same issues as people who live within the borders of a particular nation. Had we gone your route, the British would have (easily) taken back their colonies in 1812... and none of the Americans on this board would have a day off on Monday.

 

[Violator79]

So from where I sit, it appears that you are the one who is either naive or ignorant (to human history) if you believe that people who, by random chance, happen to live within the borders of a particular nation-state would not have the same issues as people who live within the borders of a particular nation. Had we gone your route, the British would have (easily) taken back their colonies in 1812... and none of the Americans on this board would have a day off on Monday.

Unlike you, I don't believe everything I was taught in school. I don't believe a single thing I'm told by the government. Nothing. I happen to do this real moron thing, it's called THINKING and I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions and I don't just roll over when told to. Just because I served my country does not mean I have no right to question every single thing about it. I'll end this conversation with a great and true quote from Winston Churchill:

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried."

 

[Rey C.]

Unlike you, I don't believe everything I was taught in school. I don't believe a single thing I'm told by the government. Nothing. I happen to do this real moron thing, it's called THINKING and I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions and I don't just roll over when told to. Just because I served my country does not mean I have no right to question every single thing about it. I'll end this conversation with a great and true quote from Winston Churchill:

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried."

Thinking is a wonderful thing to do. I would suggest it for all people. But there's no glory in saying that you don't believe a single thing told to you by the government... just because the government is the source of the information. That's actually an illogical and foolish thing to say. Facts and truths do not change with the source. But apparently some people's willingness to buy into logic (or the lack there of) is influenced by the source.

You have every right to form your own opinions. And quite honestly, I'm not sure I understand why you instantly became so hostile toward me. Possibly it is because you are not so certain of your beliefs, or you realize that what I said is true: if one nation with 48 states (in the example) is a problem, how would 48 individual nation-states make any more sense? As you go through your thought process, go to a city council, town council or county board of supervisors meeting. Then report back to me on how harmonious you find that experience to be.

Here's a quote I like. It's not from some British Prime Minister, but I like it just the same:

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

*the original pledge*

So like I said, anyone who makes that pledge and then commits treason against the republic, in my opinion, the best solution for them is a tall tree and a short rope.

SQPA ad infinitum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LukeEl]

I just sneezed 3 times in sucession, I think they were trying to secede from me.

 

[Togath]

The Bay area liberals are more insane than Kim Jong Il's henchmen.

I am about to **** off alot of people, but seriously I havent met a single sane californian yet and I lived there for a year. I dont mind that the states full of nut job's but seriously does it really matter what they do with the state when thier best export is movies and weed?

 

[Violator79]

Thinking is a wonderful thing to do. I would suggest it for all people. But there's no glory in saying that you don't believe a single thing told to you by the government... just because the government is the source of the information. That's actually an illogical and foolish thing to say. Facts and truths do not change with the source. But apparently some people's willingness to buy into logic (or the lack there of) is influenced by the source.

You have every right to form your own opinions. And quite honestly, I'm not sure I understand why you instantly became so hostile toward me. Possibly it is because you are not so certain of your beliefs, or you realize that what I said is true: if one nation with 48 states (in the example) is a problem, how would 48 individual nation-states make any more sense? As you go through your thought process, go to a city council, town council or county board of supervisors meeting. Then report back to me on how harmonious you find that experience to be.

Here's a quote I like. It's not from some British Prime Minister, but I like it just the same:

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

*the original pledge*

So like I said, anyone who makes that pledge and then commits treason against the republic, in my opinion, the best solution for them is a tall tree and a short rope.

SQPA ad infinitum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not hostile towards you. I respect your opinions, even though I don't agree with them. It seems like you're being hostile towards what I believe, but then again I'm not getting all upset about it. However, both of us better be careful or the thought police might come and question us.

 

[Juliuscaesar]

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern Rights, Hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a Single Star![

 

[Rey C.]

I'm not hostile towards you. I respect your opinions, even though I don't agree with them. It seems like you're being hostile towards what I believe, but then again I'm not getting all upset about it. However, both of us better be careful or the thought police might come and question us.

My point in disagreeing with you is simply that a gaggle of nation-states would not be a solution to the problems we have now, and if anything, would add to our issues. And yes, I do see it as naive to believe that a multiple nation-state scenario would be as effective as what we have now... because history says otherwise. What was one of the primary reasons that Rome dominated the ancient world? Because Rome was unified and bigger than its opposition for centuries. Had it broken down into city-states, all that Hannibal and others would have needed to do is knock them off one by one. Philip and Alexander defeated the Greek city-states, unified them (somewhat) under Macedonian rule and then went on to conquer the ancient world. Once Alexander died, that structure broke down and then Greece was defeated by the unified Roman state. And it was the breakdown in Rome's central government that had a LOT to do with the fall of the Western Roman Empire. It wasn't as simple as what pop culture suggests: that some German dude rode in with his posse and kicked Roman ass.

So what you're suggesting, having 48 nation-states, is to me just an invitation to a Lord of the Flies scenario. You still haven't given any explanation of how you feel this is a solution. You still haven't given any explanation of how you feel that a nation-state legislature would be any better than a national legislature. Again, have you ever attended a state legislature session, a city or town council meeting? Are you aware that the Minnesota state government is basically shut down right now because of infighting??? So yeah, I think your "solution" is wishful thinking and not based on reality.

Take it as "hostile", if you so choose. But Jefferson Davis and his cohorts threatened the Republic. And for that, I would have seen them hanged by the neck until dead... as I would anyone else who threatened the Republic.

As for "thought police"... if someone doesn't like what I say or how I say it, they are welcome to talk to me anytime. But whether it's some message board mod or a real cop, if I'm in the right, they better be prepared for me to do my share of talking too.

 

[Juliuscaesar]

And it was the breakdown in Rome's central government that had a LOT to do with the fall of the Western Roman Empire. It wasn't as simple as what pop culture suggests: that some German dude rode in with his posse and kicked Roman ass.
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Actually the plagues of the late 2nd century, i.e, the introduction of measles and small pox, devastated the classical population to such an extant that by the 3rd and 4th centuries, once fertile fields became mere forests.The government under Diocletian socialized a great deal of the industries of the Roman Empire, and brought into practice feudalism which would be so characteristic to medieval Europe.Not to mention the Empire broke into 2; the Western Empire which fell in 476 ad, and the Eastern or Byzantine Empire, which fell in 1453 ad.And, as you said, the barbarians didn't sweep down on the Romans overnight, Hell, Strabo was of Germanic origin and he defended Rome from Alaric when he swept down to take Rome.

 

[Elwood70]

The one quote that sums up how much a federal government has failed in this country is this and it's by you guessed it, George Carlin:

"They call it The American ***** because you have to be ****** to believe it."

But, didn't Carlin get to live a version of the American *****?

 

[Rey C.]

Actually the plagues of the late 2nd century, i.e, the introduction of measles and small pox, devastated the classical population to such an extant that by the 3rd and 4th centuries, once fertile fields became mere forests.The government under Diocletian socialized a great deal of the industries of the Roman Empire, and brought into practice feudalism which would be so characteristic to medieval Europe.Not to mention the Empire broke into 2; the Western Empire which fell in 476 ad, and the Eastern or Byzantine Empire, which fell in 1453 ad.And, as you said, the barbarians didn't sweep down on the Romans overnight, Hell, Strabo was of Germanic origin and he defended Rome from Alaric when he swept down to take Rome.

:hatsoff:

I see you didn't choose that name just because you thought it sounded cool. Good read. :clap: But in addition to what you've said, recall that the central government of Rome, by the late imperial period, was ill-prepared to effectively deal with famine, disease or barbarian invasions. All too often you had what Violator79 is suggesting would work here: quasi feudal states, (potentially) ruled by the military, some goofball chosen by the military guard or even a government propped up by a foreign power, at odds with our Roman... er, I mean, our American way of life. Human history provides many examples of why this would be a bad, bad idea. But to the Tea Party crowd, or those who think that the federal government is the root of all evil, they latch onto these fantasies and go with them... despite all of the historical and practical evidence to the contrary.

And if Mr. Violator cares to look back at the OP, it is about California counties wanting to secede from their own state. So I guess now that the nation-state doesn't work, Mr. Violator would go to the county-state??? Perfect! Just perfect! We'd have 3100+ "nations" within what was the United States. So there again, yet another example of why this notion of the U.S. breaking up into a series of nation-states or county-states(nations) is wishful (illogical) thinking. It would be the first step toward anarchy!

 

[Will E Worm]

But, didn't Carlin get to live a version of the American *****?

I agree, he did. I can't find his net worth.

$100 million a good guess?

 

[Rey C.]

But, didn't Carlin get to live a version of the American *****?

I always thought Carlin was pretty witty and funny. But I still realized that his secret sauce was the anti-establishment schtick he used to get people to pay for what they expected to hear from him. Got him a spot on $NL back in the day and about a dozen HBO $pecials. Like so many other anti-establishment types (as we now know with people like Bob Dylan), George may have been sincere in his material, but he most certainly DID live the American *****. Cause if this is the house of a poor man, I need to work a hell of lot harder at being poor! In the words of the great "Clay Davis", sheeeeeet! :drool2:

It's cool to have a schtick that makes money. Carlin had one. Jimmy Swaggert had one. S@rah Palin has one. Hell, I wish I had one.

 

[Will E Worm]

I always thought Carlin was pretty witty and funny. But I still realized that his secret sauce was the anti-establishment schtick he used to get people to pay for what they expected to hear from him. Got him a spot on $NL back in the day and about a dozen HBO $pecials. Like so many other anti-establishment types (as we now know with people like Bob Dylan), George may have been sincere in his material, but he most certainly DID live the American *****. Cause if this is the house of a poor man, I need to work a hell of lot harder at being poor! In the words of the great "Clay Davis", sheeeeeet! :drool2:

It's cool to have a schtick that makes money. Carlin had one. Jimmy Swaggert had one. S@rah Palin has one. Hell, I wish I had one.

Nice Find! :thumbsup: Since Carlin and Hicks are gone you could be an anti-establishment comedian/ speaker.

 

[Rey C.]

Nice Find! :thumbsup: Since Carlin and Hicks are gone you could be an anti-establishment comedian/ speaker.

Yeah, but in real life, I'm not very funny at all (people usually take what I say seriously, even though I smirk a lot). Plus, if I was heckled onstage, I'd probably give someone a taste of my shoe. My first performance would likely be my last.


I might be up for a ***** Karaoke night though! I know the words to "Tax Man" by heart! :nanner:

 

[PJpenny]

interesting read. i live in Imperial County. i dont blame the state for how dismal life is out here, i blame the county politicians who have been incompetent for years.

 

[Facetious]

The Bay area liberals are more insane than Kim Jong Il's henchmen.

Pete Rose

 

[Mr_Balls]

I notice my county and Los Angeles County is not on the list. I doubt this will happen...unless there is a huge earthquake.