Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in head

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My point, KTI, is that my response is a reaction. Beck, Palin, Limbaugh et al are the instigators and have been for decades. You'll never find the sheer volume and amplitude of vitriol on the left that has always been part and parcel of the rightwinger/teabagger/conservative strategy. Am I better than them? Probably not, but I'm definitely different inasmuch as my attacks are from a defensive posture.
 
But you have yet to respond to my earlier question when I mentioned Columbine: Can someone be held responsible for another person's actions?

If you believe Rush, Beck, and Palin are to blame for this (which there is zero evidence of, and these accusations are coming from the left), you must therefore agree Marilyn Manson and Doom were the cause of Columbine.
 

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No, they're not responsible for the shooters actions. The shooter acted of his own accord. That said, you can't dismiss influences. **** in, ******** out and for right-wing screamers to act as if they shouldn't be held accountable is preposterous. I'm not saying they deserve to be prosecuted or anything ridiculous like that, but they can't pretend their constant fanning of flames of discontent is benevolent. Sure, you can accuse me of doing the same, but I'm assuming my audience here isn't mentally disturbed.
 

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If only things were that easy, KTI.

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alexpnz

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But you have yet to respond to my earlier question when I mentioned Columbine: Can someone be held responsible for another person's actions?

If you believe Rush, Beck, and Palin are to blame for this (which there is zero evidence of, and these accusations are coming from the left), you must therefore agree Marilyn Manson and Doom were the cause of Columbine.

You are wrong!...."causes"?, until there is tangible proof, maybe not for now!
HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY?........absolutely!! :hatsoff:
 
I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but it appears Loughner, the schizo a few dozen short of a full deck, was ******* a hallucinogenic **** called "salvia." I have NEVER heard of this stuff but it seems to have had some bearing on his disgusting murderous rampage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/us/18salvia.html

On a side note, how did this quacker ever get a girlfriend? That is a complete mystery to me. :dunno:
 
Decscription of the shooting from CCTV footage

Videos show Tucson shooting in detail, sources say

TUCSON - Safeway store surveillance videos clearly show Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the face above the left eye from about two to three feet away by accused gunman Jared Loughner, who moments later ****** U.S. District Judge John Roll as he tried to take cover under a table, two sources who have viewed the footage said Tuesday.

Roll appears to be also trying to help Ron Barber, who was wounded in the ******, as Roll is seen on the video pushing Barber to the ground and getting on top of him, the sources said.

Authorities have recovered nearly two dozen surveillance videos from inside and outside the Tucson grocery store that was the site of the shooting rampage on Jan. 8 that ****** six and wounded 13. The videos are likely to provide critical evidence as Loughner faces trial on ****** charges.

Investigators believe Loughner entered the store bathroom to put on earplugs minutes before the rampage. He is seen on video talking to a clerk while pointing toward his own ears.

"He's going, 'Can't you see I've got ear plugs on,' " said one source who viewed the video. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

In addition to watching the videos, investigators also have interviewed a friend of Loughner's who told them that sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day, Loughner showed the friend his ***. When the friend asked why he needed a firearm, Loughner responded, "For protection around the house," the sources said.

The friend did not report the incident at the time. He told his ****** about the episode after hearing that Loughner had been arrested Jan. 8, and the ****** contacted *************** officials, the sources said.

The videos create a vivid picture of Loughner's movements through the Safeway store, which he entered sometime after 9:54 a.m., until he opened fire on the crowd at about 10:10 a.m., the sources said. The footage is now in possession of the FBI, which has declined to release it and is holding it as evidence for a potential trial.

In the clearest of the Safeway videos, Loughner is seen emerging from the south entrance, then looping around a table that was set up outside for Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event with constituents. He is "hurriedly walking," one source said, then approaches Giffords head-on and shoots his first bullet into her face, where it struck her just above the left eye and exited out the back of her skull.

"He walks up, goes bang. It's very clear," one source said. "He is maybe 24 to 36 inches away. You can see her go straight down."

Loughner then turns to his left and begins firing on a crowd of people who were sitting in seats and standing in line for the event. They are not seen on this video, but the camera captures muzzle flashes from the gunfire, the source said.

The video then shows Loughner turning back to his right, where 65-year-old Ron Barber, Giffords's district director, and Roll are standing. He is seen shooting Barber, who reaches for his left shoulder, the sources said.

At that point, "Judge Roll starts to push Barber down on the ground and lay on top of Barber, and they start to scamper under the table, but Roll is on top," one source said. "At that point, you can see the suspect shoot Roll. Roll gets shot in the back, then he sort of appears halfway on the other side of the table. He starts to look over his right shoulder, and then he lays back down. It took out his aorta is what the autopsy showed."

That particular video cuts off at that point, the source said, though other videos from the store show Loughner continuing to fire until he has expended his entire magazine. At that point, he was tackled by bystanders.

Loughner shot 32 bullets, the sources said, one more than had been previously reported. A woman who had been at the scene found a spent casing in her purse a couple of days after the incident and reported it to police, the sources said. Though the extended magazine clip Loughner used holds only 31 bullets, investigators now believe he had an additional bullet loaded in the chamber when he began the ******.

The sources also said that investigators interviewed Loughner's parents, Randy and Amy, shortly after the ****** and do not believe they had any knowledge that their *** was planning it.

Though investigators were ****** to break down the rear door of the Loughners' house while serving the warrant shortly after the ******, the parents told them they had barricaded the doors because of unwanted attention from reporters. The parents have cooperated with the investigation and have sought refuge away from their house because of the intense media presence there, the sources said.

Also, sources provided more details about photographs that Loughner dropped off at a Walgreens store and picked up the morning of the shooting. The pictures included one of the *** and others of him holding the *** and wearing a red G-string. The sources said that Walgreens policy is to make copies of suspicious-looking photos, which the store clerks did with Loughner's pictures.

He posted one of them on MySpace at about 4 a.m. the morning of the shooting with a message that began, "Goodbye friends," investigators have said. Walgreens turned over the photos to authorities after learning of the shooting. The photos are in the custody of the FBI, which has declined to release them publicly.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...04266_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2011011702561
 

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I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but it appears Loughner, the schizo a few dozen short of a full deck, was ******* a hallucinogenic **** called "salvia." I have NEVER heard of this stuff but it seems to have had some bearing on his disgusting murderous rampage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/us/18salvia.html

On a side note, how did this quacker ever get a girlfriend? That is a complete mystery to me. :dunno:

Ah, salvia. Perfectly legal and it makes you see Spongebob driving trains.
 
I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but it appears Loughner, the schizo a few dozen short of a full deck, was ******* a hallucinogenic **** called "salvia." I have NEVER heard of this stuff but it seems to have had some bearing on his disgusting murderous rampage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/us/18salvia.html

On a side note, how did this quacker ever get a girlfriend? That is a complete mystery to me. :dunno:

Ah, salvia. Perfectly legal and it makes you see Spongebob driving trains.

Can't say I've ever heard of it, and I've heard of pretty much every ****.

Am I reading that crap right? He was wearing a red G-string? Like, really? :facepalm:

A judge was assassinated.:2 cents:
 
Am I reading that crap right? He was wearing a red G-string? Like, really? :facepalm:

Also, sources provided more details about photographs that Loughner dropped off at a Walgreens store and picked up the morning of the shooting. The pictures included one of the *** and others of him holding the *** and wearing a red G-string.

Yes he was wearing a G-string and holding a *** in one of the pictures he had dropped off at the store to be developed. Whether he was wearing the red G-string on the day of the shooting we don't yet know but if he had been I think sources would've mentioned it by now in relation to the pictures.
 
Yes he was wearing a G-string and holding a *** in one of the pictures he had dropped off at the store to be developed. Whether he was wearing the red G-string on the day of the shooting we don't yet know but if he had been I think sources would've mentioned it by now in relation to the pictures.

He's going to the clinker. He's battier-**** crazy than a three dollar bill.
 
He's going to the clinker. He's battier-**** crazy than a three dollar bill.

He'll probably be found to have been mentally unstable and maybe rightly so, he doesn't really have any motive and I doubt even the most cold bloodest of killers could shoot a 9 year old dead in cold *****. He must be going through psyce evaluations as we speak.
 

alexpnz

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He'll probably be found to have been mentally unstable and maybe rightly so, he doesn't really have any motive and I doubt even the most cold bloodest of killers could shoot a 9 year old dead in cold *****. He must be going through psyce evaluations as we speak.

Won't happen....he will be made to pay dearly for his actions.
Obama won't let this happen on his watch as bad as his approval rating has been. He will make sure this "person" frys or gets the needle, whatever the fuck they do in Az!!

Then it's on to Glen Beckberg and Sarah Palin....:tinhat:
 
Won't happen....he will be made to pay dearly for his actions.
Obama won't let this happen on his watch as bad as his approval rating has been. He will make sure this "person" frys or gets the needle, whatever the fuck they do in Az!!

Then it's on to Glen Beckberg and Sarah Palin....:tinhat:

I don't know how much control Obammer will have on the issue. I think it will be a federal judge who has the say (since this was a federal crime?). :dunno: I'm still trying to find photos of his parents and a Google search renders no results.
 

You know, despite there having had to have been some oversight on their behalf with a skull in their yard, you have to feel for these folks. :o

If he was getting all zippy on some hallucinogens I don't think there is much they could have done unless the *** was running around the house naked, talking to Christ and spreading peanut butter on himself in women's underwear.
 
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