Obama supports building a mosque at ground zero

[Trident1]

So what basis does the US g'ment have to deny them a right every other American enjoys on the basis of their religion? I don't expect a rational answer though.:1orglaugh



Maybe because the people who are attempting to build this are US citizens?:dunno: Jews and Simon Wiesenthal have their museum of tolerance on US soil and no one bent over backwards for them (well some would argue that point as we're bending over backwards and forwards) nor did they have to go to Israel to build it...Why should Americans of Muslim faith have to go to Saudi Arabia to build one of theirs???



:wtf:Another rambling salad of tossed topics...:georges: Aside from the inaccuracies in that gobble-d gook of babble, can we get back to the topic of this thread?:o

How about sensitivity to the victims. Apparently Imam Hamas has little of that or the intelligence to realize the Cordoba crap is simply a bad idea.


The Weisenthal center was set up by VICTIMS of **** oppression.

The Cordoba thing is being set up for some other reason not having to do with victims of their own followers.


How the hell can you even think of comparing the Weisenthal Center to this pile of Cordoba crap is honestly beyond me Mega. Not even in the same fucking ballpark.

 

[Trident1]

Having human rights being discarded because of intolerance and political inconvenience is a slap in the face to every person that has had to struggle or die to protect the beliefs in those things.


I also find it stupid that all those people that complain about all the political figures that don't follow the constitution are all of a sudden upset when Obama does his job and sworn duty by doing so.

x100000000000000:hatsoff:

 

[Hot Mega]

How about sensitivity to the victims. Apparently Imam Hamas has little of that or the intelligence to realize the Cordoba crap is simply a bad idea.

There is a 9/11 memorial in the plans. I still haven't heard you cite a legal reason for the g'ment denying it.

The Weisenthal center was set up by VICTIMS of **** oppression.

Wow. That makes a difference. You do know there were Muslims who were victims of 9/11 too and gave there lives trying to rescue people there..meanwhile there are reports of Jews filming it and laughing. :eeew:

The Cordoba thing is being set up for some other reason not having to do with victims of their own followers.

How the hell can you even think of comparing the Weisenthal Center to this pile of Cordoba crap is honestly beyond me Mega. Not even in the same fucking ballpark.

Well, you have your opinion. Nothing like paving over a 1000 year old Muslim graveyard and plopping another Wiesenthal center on it to demonstrate "tolerance".

 

[Mayhem]

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

Well, as my favorite TV character once said, "My days of not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle." This is about the dumbest thing I've seen you post, and that's saying something.

First of all, there's no such thing as an "American" name. There are only Americans with names. And he didn't authorize anything. He is not in a position to authorize anything.

As has been posted repeatedly, with not much notice, the mosque is not going up at ground-zero.

And where does a European get off trying to tell us about patriotism?

Before you judge me on one post, have a look about how much contributed on that board. I have been a member of that board for almost 7 years (soon to be the 30th august). I have discussed and debated several political threads with various type of people. What pains me is that you fail to realize to realize that in politics, there is no in between, you are either for or against something, you stand for or against something. This is enough clear. You must be naive to think that in politics there is the place for in between or maybe because in politics there is no such thing.

The fact is that this mosque will be built near ground zero, no matter how you interpret it but many people find it insulting. I and my relatives have lost some close friends during 9/11 so don't try to lecture me regarding Patriotism. My both uncles fought in vietnam (opertaions linebacker I and II), my cousins also fought in Iraq (Desert Shield) and in Serbia. I don't have the point of view of the typical European and I don't think like an European. People who know me well, are long time board members. Always try to know who you are dealing with , to put some stickers on someone you don't know is not the best thing to do.

I have no idea what your post has to do with what I said (not being antagonistic here. I read it about 2 minutes after you posted and I waited this long because I'm still trying to figure it out). I responded to some very erroneous and, frankly derogatory, remarks made by you. Rather than rehash them, I put them in bold. This may be your idea of "contributing", but I don't agree with your remarks or the sentiment behind them. I'm not telling you to shut up nor am I telling you to go away. On this forum, we spend our time disagreeing and debating. If we all agreed, it would be boring and counter-productive. But, you have not responded to the points of your argument that I have taken issue with.

I myself have been a member here for five years. When I respond to you, I know very well who I am dealing with. The only "stickers" I put on you are the ones you seem to invite. But, so you know who you are dealing with: I spent 8 years in the US Army. I am a combat vet of Desert Shield (meaning that rather than just being "somewhere" in the theater of operations, I exchanged fire with those who were trying to **** me). I served in world-wide deployable units in Air-Defense-Artillery, Armor and Communications. I spent 1 1/2 years defending the Republic of South Korea. So, I need no lessons on Patriotism, Democracy, Freedom, Republic or Self-Determination. Knowing people who have served or have been lost is a pale comparison to those who have lived the life.

And you still haven't responded to my previous post.

 

[Hot Mega]

I have no idea what your post has to do with what I said (not being antagonistic here. I read it about 2 minutes after you posted and I waited this long because I'm still trying to figure it out).

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

Because you have it right?? Hhah :1orglaugh Please give me a break. What have given the Clinton years? Three attacks were done during his both presidential terms and he did nothing to arrest the culprits, first one in 1993 first wtc bombing, 1997 bombing of the ambassy in Nairobi and bombing of the USS Cole in 1999. I do remember the clinton assault weapon ban but has it reduced problems? No , it hasn't because the ghetto boy snitch snitch ghetto bitch mentality is still present in the shittiest suburbs of the biggest towns in the USA. ALENA and NAFTA have improved slightly the economic growth of the US but they weren't as successful nor efficient as the reaganomics were. Culturally what positive have the leftists or liberals brought???Oprah, Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan are some of the most disgraceful people that represent the American culture. They are more symbols of communautarism than something else. Making stupid tests against the constitution isn't acceptable and insulting what the founding fathers fought for is also inadmissible. In Europe, in most of the cases, the people who vote for socialists/leftists are mainly the poor, the ones living in trashy/scummy suburbs or lazy ********* too work social healthcare leech offs and parasites. Those were the very same persons who supported Obama during his victory. Their educational and iq level are so low that I don't expect any intelligence nor any kind of a reasoned forward thinking from the leftists in Europe. The 2nd amendment is one of the key figures of what makes the Americans proud to live in their country. What would be the US without the 2nd amendment? Not the place where Americans would like to live I think. Not all republicans lose their vocabulary when they are confronted to an argument, you must be a little out of the reality to think so.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I gotta laugh at this because it is steeped way to deep in ignorance to be serious. Its laced in so much far right rhetoric that I believe that the left side of my brain just went dead. I can understand how Jackson and Farrakhan could be considered disgraceful, but Oprah? She is the most influential woman on the planet and embodies what a capitalistic society is all about. Even if you are born dirt poor if you work hard you can succeed. Sounds to me like you just wanted to rant on all of the black leftists to further some sort of hateful agenda you have. You toss around the word "ghetto" so much that I don't think that you even know what it means. What about all of the white ones like Micheal Moore, Bill Maher, and Keith Olberman? Some of those guys *cough* Moore *cough* have done far more damage than anyone else.

 

[Trident1]

Wow. That makes a difference. You do know there were Muslims who were victims of 9/11 too and gave there lives trying to rescue people there..meanwhile there are reports of Jews filming it and laughing. :eeew:


Well, you have your opinion. Nothing like paving over a 1000 year old Muslim graveyard and plopping another Wiesenthal center on it to demonstrate "tolerance".

Yeah fine there were muslim victims I know that but there were many many many many non muslims who died. Do you care about their families and how they feel? Apparently not.


Where's the 1,000 year old muslim graveyard?

 

[Straight Shooter]

Why dont the muslims erect a Tower of Tolerance in Mecca? Why do we have to bend over backwards for these people!!!

The same terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 would have done the same to near enemy that is Saudi Arabia.

 

[Hot Mega]

Yeah fine there were muslim victims I know that but there were many many many many non muslims who died. Do you care about their families and how they feel? Apparently not.

Who cares what some ratio of some type of person to another was?? I still haven't read from you a legal justification for denying it. Or are you no longer a "nation of laws" kinda conservative???:yinyang:

Agendas make consistency quite difficult sometimes don't it?

 

[Straight Shooter]

Who cares what some ratio of some type of person to another was?? I still haven't read from you a legal justification for denying it. Or aren't you still a "nation of laws" kinda conservative???:yinyang:

It's funny how the right follows the constitution as if it's the Bible yet when they when they find something that they disagree with they are fast to call for changing the constitution.

 

[vodkazvictim]

It's funny how the right follows the constitution as if it's the Bible yet when they when they find something that they disagree with they are fast to call for changing the constitution.

You didn't expect rationality from the yanky right did you?

 

[rjdogma]

The fact is that this mosque will be built near ground zero, no matter how you interpret it but many people find it insulting.

People have the right to be insulted. And I support their right to be insulted.

 

[Trident1]

Who cares what some ratio of some type of person to another was?? I still haven't read from you a legal justification for denying it. Or are you no longer a "nation of laws" kinda conservative???:yinyang:

Agendas make consistency quite difficult sometimes don't it?

I'm not a conservative.

I'm not a douchebag leftist either.




What agenda? My beef with this Cordoba muslim center is genuine and not part of some nebulous super secret illuminati plot.


I have no legal justification. I wish I did. What I do have is common sense. Something these people apparently do not have.
I also have decency and empathy which they seem to lack otherwise they wouldn't be building that flop-house.


This Cordoba thing will be a propaganda tool used by the jihadists world wide. The sad thing is that some non muslims offered it to them on a silver plate.


The Islamists(note the word) will never love you no matter how much brown nosing you do, no matter how many drum circles you make, no matter how many flowers you throw at their feet. They only understand strength through power. Sad but true.

 

[Trident1]

You didn't expect rationality from the yanky right did you?

I've no idea what a "yanky" is.


I do know what a "Yankee" is however.

 

[meesterperfect]

Having human rights being discarded because of intolerance and political inconvenience is a slap in the face to every person that has had to struggle or die to protect the beliefs in those things.


I also find it stupid that all those people that complain about all the political figures that don't follow the constitution are all of a sudden upset when Obama does his job and sworn duty by doing so.

I kinda agree.
but does that mean that a german company can build a German Oktoberfest Super Funtime Zone and BBQ on the site of the Auschwitz prison camp?
if not would that be considered intolerance and political inconvenience and a slap in the face to every person too?

 

[StanScratch]

I kinda agree.
but does that mean that a german company can build a German Oktoberfest Super Funtime Zone and BBQ on the site of the Auschwitz prison camp?
if not would that be considered intolerance and political inconvenience and a slap in the face to every person too?

I wasn't aware that there was a **** prison camp on U.S. soil - or are we simply creating scenarios simply for the sake of creating scenarios. If so, perhaps creating a scenario that is a tad bit more realistic and Americanized would be more apt.

 

[meesterperfect]

being realistic is not a necessity when using comparative scenarios is it?
but is asking me if there where any **** camps on us soil an implication that different rules apply to the us?
i think my comparison was apt.
apt damnit!

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

People have the right to be insulted. And I support their right to be insulted.

Fuckin retarded *****'s ass piece of ****! How was that, good enough?

 

[StanScratch]

being realistic is not a necessity when using comparative scenarios is it?
but is asking me if there where any **** camps on us soil an implication that different rules apply to the us?
i think my comparison was apt.
apt damnit!

It was not.
We are discussing an action on U.S. soil - ranging from the constitutionality to the moral dilemmas of building the mosque. In denying the construction of the mosque (which Obama legally could not do, anyhow), he would also be faced from opposition which would be stating he would be infringing on the freedom of a group of people to practice their religion - as stated in the U.S. Constitution.
The actions at a **** concentration camp are not covered in the U.S. Constitution. You are attempting to collect union dues from Walmart associates.

 

[Straight Shooter]

It was not.
We are discussing an action on U.S. soil - ranging from the constitutionality to the moral dilemmas of building the mosque. In denying the construction of the mosque (which Obama legally could not do, anyhow), he would also be faced from opposition which would be stating he would be infringing on the freedom of a group of people to practice their religion - as stated in the U.S. Constitution.
The actions at a **** concentration camp are not covered in the U.S. Constitution. You are attempting to collect union dues from Walmart associates.

At least someone makes sense here:clap: