Martin Luther King Jr. Remembered

[lechepicha]

since BlueBalls and Blue Countach are in a fight, i tought some of you would like some humor about MLK:

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpres...l-pictures-martin-luther-king-pants-knees.jpg

and

http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kanye-west-mlk-fail.jpg

 

[GregCentauro]

His religiosity was nothing but lip service to become more popular. In private he received orders from a talking cupboard.

Damn! His legacy is ruined now!

 

[Jack Davenport]

Indeed he did get inspiration from his beliefs and yet his actions were above all else aimed at social cohesion and equality.

Religious or not, his actions whilst alive for the benefit of those who appointed him the face of their movement is what is important. Which I'm sure, you and the majority of the board can respect whether we have faith or we don't.

The point being, had it not been for Dr. King's faith he would not have found the message that he so eloquently delivered time and time again.

 

[girk1]

Not sure what you are trying to say here, MP. His hopes and dreams haven't been completely fulfilled so we shouldn't be observing his birthday? :dunno: If so, by your logic, we shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either since not everyone loves their neighbor as they love themselves nor treats others as they would expect to be treated.

It's the message that matters. What people actually choose to do with it is beyond the control of the messenger.

I was thinking the same thing. If MLK failed then Jesus Christ is an abysmal failure(not worthy of the praise heaped on him)considering the absolute carnage Christians have dispensed the past two millenia on one another & others.




Although I would simply have preferred a serious "Civil Rights" or "Equal Rights" day so as the countless others(From John Brown ,Frederick Douglass,Booker T Washington to MLK,etc......could be remembered)
I just think too many people played a role in the Civil Rights movement to focus on one man.:dunno:

That being sad I am reminded of how nasty race relations could have deterioated had Blacks decided to follow the philosophy of more militant groups/leaders . MLK was a great spokeman for the movemnet.

 

[Elektra Knight]

I'm sure King was a good person but It was actually LBJ who designed the so called great society legislation which included laws that upheld civil rights. So I think this day should really be about LBJ. :2 cents:

 

[BlueBalls]

The point being, had it not been for Dr. King's faith he would not have found the message that he so eloquently delivered time and time again.

Maybe so, but I don't see how Mrs Jolly, me or any other atheist on the board should somehow feel angered by this as you felt the need to point out in your original post.

His faith meant a lot to him and as you say inspired him in his work a great deal. But it is his actions that are his lasting legacy - which why an entire thread is dedicated to him and why so many here religious or not have paid their respects.

 

[Jack Davenport]

And yet I believe he'd cringe to hear you describing it as such, and to see you taking such a hard-line on this.

Let's reiterate BlueB's point, which is a good one: his main point was equality. So, he was completely willing to accept those who did not believe as he did; those who had different political beliefs and aspirations; those who could not swallow his message of equality for all now. Let's honour the man's legacy of peaceful protest, of acceptance, and of equality for all.

An aggressive perspective on Dr. King Jr. which excludes the perspectives of some is an ironic conundrum.

You are wrong. He was a minister and to some here the worst kind, a Baptist minister. While he may have respected a non-believers rights it was in every fiber of his being to try and win you to Christ. And rest assured, he would have tried.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Maybe so, but I don't see how Mrs Jolly, me or any other atheist on the board should somehow feel angered by this as you felt the need to point out in your original post.

His faith meant a lot to him and as you say inspired him in his work a great deal. But it is his actions that are his lasting legacy - which why an entire thread is dedicated to him and why so many here religious or not have paid their respects.

We will see if the next time an evangelical pastor falls from grace if you are so ready to separate the man from his religion.

 

[lurkingdirk]

You are wrong. He was a minister and to some here the worst kind, a Baptist minister. While he may have respected a non-believers rights it was in every fiber of his being to try and win you to Christ. And rest assured, he would have tried.

And yet he was able to have dialogue with everyone, without cramming his religious message down everyone's craw.

Learn from his presentation of his message.

 

[JacknCoke]

We will see if the next time an evangelical pastor falls from grace if you are so ready to separate the man from his religion.

I am lost by your argument. What difference does religion make in any of this? So what Mrs. Jolly isn't Christian but celebrates equality and celebrates a man who guided his motion towards equality though God or the church. What difference does that make?

In no way does him being a religious man have anything to do with the fact that he was working towards the greater good. So maybe we still don't have 100% equality, which is pretty sad considering the day and age we live in, but it's still a work in progress. A process which one had enough courage to unite his people and fight for what they believed is right.

maybe I missed your point...

 

[Ace Bandage]

I paid my respects to Dr. King in this thread because of his role in the Civil Rights Movement. I couldn't give two shits about his religious beliefs or the fact that he was a Baptist Minister. Which one do you suppose he is more well known for? I would venture to guess that his non-violent protests and marches were far more important than anything he ever said in a pulpit. No one who has posted in this thread did so because they were paying their respects to his religious conviction.

 

[BlueBalls]

We will see if the next time an evangelical pastor falls from grace if you are so ready to separate the man from his religion.

:dunno:

I really have no idea why this is relevant at all to what we're discussing?

 

[ed007]

MLK, he did some good work but i wonder if this thread will still be open in 24hrs?

 

[meesterperfect]

Not sure what you are trying to say here, MP. His hopes and dreams haven't been completely fulfilled so we shouldn't be observing his birthday? :dunno: If so, by your logic, we shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either since not everyone loves their neighbor as they love themselves nor treats others as they would expect to be treated.

It's the message that matters. What people actually choose to do with it is beyond the control of the messenger.

Jag you are absoloutely right.
To be clear I respect Kings message and intentions.
I think he had the right Idea.

Just saying that black society in many ways hasnt lived up to what his dreams really were.
No more details, either one knows what I'm saying or doesnt.
And they can, I wish they would, for everybodys sake, for the *****ren

Peace to all:

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I'm sure King was a good person but It was actually LBJ who designed the so called great society legislation which included laws that upheld civil rights. So I think this day should really be about LBJ. :2 cents:

I see where you're coming from, but I think it'd be a little wierd to have LBJ Day on Martin Luther King Jr's birthday. :tongue:

 

[Jack Davenport]

I paid my respects to Dr. King in this thread because of his role in the Civil Rights Movement. I couldn't give two shits about his religious beliefs or the fact that he was a Baptist Minister. Which one do you suppose he is more well known for? I would venture to guess that his non-violent protests and marches were far more important than anything he ever said in a pulpit. No one who has posted in this thread did so because they were paying their respects to his religious conviction.

As with most secularists, you are trying to separate the man from his faith. I see many posts demeaning those that profess a faith in God on this board. That is very kind of you to honor his memory. But had it not been for his religious convictions and a belief that God created all races to become equal there would not have been the inspiration for him to move forward with his cause. You see, he had great courage and he always stated when asked if he feared for his life that he gained that courage from God. He is always addressed as Rev. King or Dr. King. The "Dr." didn't mean he held a degree from Emory University Dental School. Just as I thought, just the simple reminder that his beliefs were founded in his faith have non-believers and secularists squirming in your seats. I am quite enjoying this actually.

 

[meesterperfect]

As with most secularists, you are trying to separate the man from his faith. I see many posts demeaning those that profess a faith in God on this board. That is very kind of you to honor his memory. But had it not been for his religious convictions and a belief that God created all races to become equal there would not have been the inspiration for him to move forward with his cause. You see, he had great courage and he always stated when asked if he feared for his life that he gained that courage from God. He is always addressed as Rev. King or Dr. King. The "Dr." didn't mean he held a degree from Emory University Dental School. Just as I thought, just the simple reminder that his beliefs were founded in his faith have non-believers and secularists squirming in your seats. I am quite enjoying this actually.

He was a good example of what christianity means and what it can do.
Its not all bad as many here like to state.

Nice post dude.

 

[Jack Davenport]

And yet he was able to have dialogue with everyone, without cramming his religious message down everyone's craw.

Learn from his presentation of his message.

I have not once on this board talked about my particular religious philosophy only to state that I believe in a Supreme Being. It is others here that have a problem with my right to believe in such and try to make offensive comments belittling those of us that do. I'm sorry that such a wonderful cause just so happened to be lead by a Christian minister but that is just the way it is and he always was cramming his religion down your craw whether you choose to hear or believe it or not.

 

[ed007]

you can seperate a man from almost anything: his job, his wife, his *****ren, his house and his faith. if MLK was still alive today he could have become a Muslim or stopped believing in God. :2 cents:

 

[Jack Davenport]

you can seperate a man from almost anything: his job, his wife, his *****ren, his house and his faith. if MLK was still alive today he could have become a Muslim or stopped believing in God. :2 cents:

I think he also read the Bible from time to time. Probably the King James version.