Martin Luther King Jr. Remembered

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I think about the fact that he wasn't ever just speaking to or for African Americans, but to and for ALL Americans, who truly believed in justice, equality and brotherhood.

One of the greatest Americans who ever lived, and he didn't even need to serve in public office.

Amazing.


One of the greatest speakers of all time. A tragedy his word had to be magnified because of some idiot with a gun.
We've still got a while before we realize that it is not the color that matters, but the person - and that every person could succeed equally given the chance, not matter the color, nationality, beliefs, etc. And I am very sure he would have been quite glad to see some middle-classed black kid become President.

A great man who fought an uphill battle against white supremecy and knew he would probably pay for daring to do so with his life and did.

He would be happy to see how much progress we have made on his dream but not nearly satisfied.We still have a lot of purveyors of hate and discrimination out there ,and most of us know who they are.

MLK may be revered now and rightfully so but I clearly remember how the feeling was when he was alive.The white majority feared and loathed him as he was out to upset their discriminatory world.Too bad people like him too often pay with their lives for such good work.:(

Dr. King was one of the greatest orators of all-time. Listening to his speeches even today still gives me goose bumps. In my classroom I have a wall of important quotes and one of my favorites from Dr. King is on there:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

Dr. King fought for what he believed in through the use of nonviolent protests. Truly, he was a remarkable individual and should be celebrated more than just once a year. His dream lives on today.

....Content of Character not color of skin :bowdown:

What more could I offer? Excellent comments!!! :thumbsup:[
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Sorry Charlie Hustle but I'm not gonna sprinkle it with sugar.
King wanted a society where everybody was equal which did happen in the 60's and continues up until today.
But he also wanted peace and harmony in society, that really hasnt happened.
And he also wanted blacks to have oppurtunitys, that has happened,very much so, just gotta go to high school,graduate, then college or enter the work force, learn a trade.
Alot of blacks have succeeeded in this way, but much much more havnt.
Now almost 50 years later you got a group with the highest drop out, single mother, violent crime, incarceration, and welfare reciepient rate in the country.

If King really does get responsibility for getting equal rights and opportunitys for Blacks in the USA then as a group they have failed him.
I believe alot of open minded black people would say the same.
Now back to you Bob Sagit.............
 
I don't even know where to begin...
 
Sorry Charlie Hustle but I'm not gonna sprinkle it with sugar.
King wanted a society where everybody was equal which did happen in the 60's and continues up until today.
But he also wanted peace and harmony in society, that really hasnt happened.
And he also wanted blacks to have oppurtunitys, that has happened,very much so, just gotta go to high school,graduate, then college or enter the work force, learn a trade.
Alot of blacks have succeeeded in this way, but much much more havnt.
Now almost 50 years later you got a group with the highest drop out, single mother, violent crime, incarceration, and welfare reciepient rate in the country.

If King really does get responsibility for getting equal rights and opportunitys for Blacks in the USA then as a group they have failed him.
I believe alot of open minded black people would say the same.
Now back to you Bob Sagit.............

Leaving aside your muddles regarding the aims of the good Doctor, his legacy is set in stone and it is this. Institutionalised racism is a stain on humanity and if the conditions are right then it is possible for good people to secure a triumph over it without resorting to violence. The world is a measurably better place for having had Martin Luther King Jr in it. We do right by celebrating him.
 
Sorry Charlie Hustle but I'm not gonna sprinkle it with sugar.
King wanted a society where everybody was equal which did happen in the 60's and continues up until today.
But he also wanted peace and harmony in society, that really hasnt happened.
And he also wanted blacks to have oppurtunitys, that has happened,very much so, just gotta go to high school,graduate, then college or enter the work force, learn a trade.
Alot of blacks have succeeeded in this way, but much much more havnt.
Now almost 50 years later you got a group with the highest drop out, single mother, violent crime, incarceration, and welfare reciepient rate in the country.

If King really does get responsibility for getting equal rights and opportunitys for Blacks in the USA then as a group they have failed him.
I believe alot of open minded black people would say the same.
Now back to you Bob Sagit.............

The purpose of assassinating a leader of any kind is to truncate or interrupt their efforts.

In this case, MLK Jr. wasn't a failure if your conclusions are taken at face value, his efforts were stopped in progress. Which I suppose is the clearest sign his efforts were making a difference.:2 cents:
 
Sorry Charlie Hustle but I'm not gonna sprinkle it with sugar.
King wanted a society where everybody was equal which did happen in the 60's and continues up until today.
But he also wanted peace and harmony in society, that really hasnt happened.
And he also wanted blacks to have oppurtunitys, that has happened,very much so, just gotta go to high school,graduate, then college or enter the work force, learn a trade.
Alot of blacks have succeeeded in this way, but much much more havnt.
Now almost 50 years later you got a group with the highest drop out, single mother, violent crime, incarceration, and welfare reciepient rate in the country.

If King really does get responsibility for getting equal rights and opportunitys for Blacks in the USA then as a group they have failed him.
I believe alot of open minded black people would say the same.
Now back to you Bob Sagit.............

Of course people like you, in your love of the Horatio Alger type mythology, like to just think all a person has to do is pick themselves up by their boot straps to be successful, and if they don't it's always their own fault for not doing so (or insert many of the other excuses those people like to use to set blame on only a portion of everybody that deserves it).

Of course in the real world, it's very difficult for people that are in poverty to lift themselves out of poverty outside of luck. If there are people in the world that want to be stupid and fool themselves into thinking otherwise because it nicely fits into their ideology or conveniently shifts blame from them or makes them feel better about their own selfishness then there is nothing that can be done for people that think like that. People like me can't make others not be foolish for them. Only they can open their eyes and do that for themselves. Most of the problems that blacks face, and all poor people for that matter, now in one way or another come from poverty either today or from the aftereffects of the past.

Now it's true that everybody also has to except personal responsibility for their own actions, and many people black or otherwise have to face that a lot of their own actions have gotten them where they are, but to be naive enough to think the very deep faults of our society, economy, and government and the people that live under those things have no blame at all for it, and things wouldn't be vastly different if we corrected them a long time ago is just preposterous beyond belief.

Maybe what we all should do is take a long look at ourselves (I do this for myself, I don't hold other people to a standard I'm not willing to face.), without all the excuses, without telling ourselves things that make us feel good, without doing things that shift blame away from ourselves or people we like that's deserved, without looking out for what's in our individual best interest first, without all the bullshit rationalizations, without the mindless ideological dogma, when we strip all that down and force ourselves to see the very truth of reality stripped bare and laid before our souls. Then we can take the longest hardest look at ourselves we have ever done. We will be forced to confront ourselves, our real selves, and when we think about all the problems in our communities, our country, and our world, and what our actions and conduct have been all this time, when as we lay exposed and confront our inner most truth, we need to look deeply and truthfully at ourselves as we have never done and ask about ourselves when we think about all the problems and misery around us, "IN ANY WAY, AM I PART OF THE PROBLEM?".
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Sorry Charlie Hustle but I'm not gonna sprinkle it with sugar.
King wanted a society where everybody was equal which did happen in the 60's and continues up until today.
But he also wanted peace and harmony in society, that really hasnt happened.
And he also wanted blacks to have oppurtunitys, that has happened,very much so, just gotta go to high school,graduate, then college or enter the work force, learn a trade.
Alot of blacks have succeeeded in this way, but much much more havnt.
Now almost 50 years later you got a group with the highest drop out, single mother, violent crime, incarceration, and welfare reciepient rate in the country.

If King really does get responsibility for getting equal rights and opportunitys for Blacks in the USA then as a group they have failed him.
I believe alot of open minded black people would say the same.
Now back to you Bob Sagit.............

Not sure what you are trying to say here, MP. :confused: His hopes and dreams haven't been completely fulfilled so we shouldn't be observing his birthday? :dunno: If so, by your logic, we shouldn't be celebrating Christmas either since not everyone loves their neighbor as they love themselves nor treats others as they would expect to be treated.

It's the message that matters. What people actually choose to do with it is beyond the control of the messenger.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
I prefer Malcolm X Day, myself...
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
A great man who fought an uphill battle against white supremecy and knew he would probably pay for daring to do so with his life and did.

He would be happy to see how much progress we have made on his dream but not nearly satisfied.We still have a lot of purveyors of hate and discrimination out there ,and most of us know who they are.

MLK may be revered now and rightfully so but I clearly remember how the feeling was when he was alive.The white majority feared and loathed him as he was out to upset their discriminatory world.Too bad people like him too often pay with their lives for such good work.:(

Agreed...
We've come a helluva long way since his day - but it's still work in progress (sadly)...
 
Leaving aside your muddles regarding the aims of the good Doctor, his legacy is set in stone and it is this. Institutionalised racism is a stain on humanity and if the conditions are right then it is possible for good people to secure a triumph over it without resorting to violence. The world is a measurably better place for having had Martin Luther King Jr in it. We do right by celebrating him.
You do realize Ms. Atheist that this man had a profound faith in God don't you? That probably really gets your goat.
 
Being as you felt the need to bring it up, please explain to me why this matters? Or how it has anything to do with the discussion at all?
. Oh it matters and it matters a lot. This woman is the most pompous ass I have seen on any message board. And I would love for Dr. King to be alive today to listen to her try and tell him in her smarmy little attitude that his God was some fairy tale.
 
Oh and BlueBalls it matters because everything Dr. King believed was founded in his Christian faith.
 
. Oh it matters and it matters a lot. This woman is the most pompous ass I have seen on any message board. And I would love for Dr. King to be alive today to listen to her try and tell him in her smarmy little attitude that his God was some fairy tale.

On the contrary I don't believe it matters at all. No matter what Mrs Jolly's views on religion are (views which I probably share), I do not see how King being religious should take anything away from Mrs Jolly's admiration of his political and social philosophy and actions just because he happens to be an atheist. Nor do I see why his religiousness (?) should be thrown in Mrs Jolly's face to somehow prove a point. Like I said originally, this whole line of argumentation - to me - means absolutely nothing because religious or not, a persons actions are what should be judged and not what they believe in. Which from what I can tell is exactly what Mrs Jolly was doing here.

It almost sounds as if you think non-believers look upon every action undertaken by someone of faith with a sort of pity and disdain. Which is untrue.

Oh and BlueBalls it matters because everything Dr. King believed was founded in his Christian faith.

Again I ask why that matters so much that Mrs Jolly can't show any respect towards the man. A man who fought for equality above all else.
 
On the contrary I don't believe it matters at all. No matter what Mrs Jolly's view on religion are (views which I probably share), I do not see how King being religious should take anything away from Mrs Jolly's admiration of his political and social philosophy and actions just because he happens to be an atheist. Nor do I see why his religiousness (?) should be thrown in Mrs Jolly's face to somehow prove a point. Like I said originally, this whole line of argumentation - to me - means absolutely nothing because religious or not, a persons actions are what should be judged and not what they believe in. Which from what I can tell is exactly what Mrs Jolly was doing here.

It almost sounds as if you think non-believers look upon every action undertaken by someone of faith with a sort of pity and disdain. Which is untrue.
Dr. King spoke of God and Christianity in every speech he gave. It was he that threw his religiousness in your face. I only took the opportunity to remind her and you of that fact. There can be no separation of the man and his deeds from his faith. As much as you may try, his inspiration was The Almighty.
 
Dr. King spoke of God and Christianity in every speech he gave. It was he that threw his religiousness in your face. I only took the opportunity to remind her and you of that fact. There is separation the man and his deeds from his faith. As much as you may try, his inspiration was The Almighty.

Indeed he did get inspiration from his beliefs and yet his actions were above all else aimed at social cohesion and equality.

Religious or not, his actions whilst alive for the benefit of those who appointed him the face of their movement is what is important. Which I'm sure, you and the majority of the board can respect whether we have faith or we don't.
 
Dr. King spoke of God and Christianity in every speech he gave. It was he that threw his religiousness in your face. I only took the opportunity to remind her and you of that fact. There can be no separation of the man and his deeds from his faith. As much as you may try, his inspiration was The Almighty.

And yet I believe he'd cringe to hear you describing it as such, and to see you taking such a hard-line on this.

Let's reiterate BlueB's point, which is a good one: his main point was equality. So, he was completely willing to accept those who did not believe as he did; those who had different political beliefs and aspirations; those who could not swallow his message of equality for all now. Let's honour the man's legacy of peaceful protest, of acceptance, and of equality for all.

An aggressive perspective on Dr. King Jr. which excludes the perspectives of some is an ironic conundrum.
 
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