Would the Right to bear and keep arms on military bases prevent the Ft. Hood massacre

[Rey C.]

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Hey Jason, what's the rule on personal arms owned by soldiers? I haven't read that much about how Hasan secured a weapon, but I assume it was his? How did he get a weapon on the base?
Back in the 90's, I used to have to go to Fort Lee on occasion. I don't recall anyone ever searching my car or anything. I could have delivered a trunk full of AK47's and I could have left with a trunk full of hand grenades. Has security tightened up since then?

 

[~~whimsy~~]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0yn23wXtbw

Come on. I am surprised this was not posted sooner!

 

[jasonk282]

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Hey Jason, what's the rule on personal arms owned by soldiers? I haven't read that much about how Hasan secured a weapon, but I assume it was his? How did he get a weapon on the base?
Back in the 90's, I used to have to go to Fort Lee on occasion. I don't recall anyone ever searching my car or anything. I could have delivered a trunk full of AK47's and I could have left with a trunk full of hand grenades. Has security tightened up since then?

We are permitted to own guns but we are not permitted to have them on us or our vehicles. Even if you have a C&C permit it's null and void as soon as you step on the base.

9/11 changed what you used to do they are a lot more strict about guns on the base.

 

[titsrock]

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We all know what incited this person to snap.

Banning private ownership of guns is worth considering given the realities of the world we live in today.

 

[fartfly]

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I think everyone should own a weapon. Cuts down on crime.

 

[marquis2]

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I think everyone should own a weapon. Cuts down on crime.

How can it?

I was interested to see what happened in Australia (see the original post) that Australian gun crime shot up after guns were outlawed. But Australia wasn't like the US where people carried weapons and saw them as a form of self defence.I have much family living out there and like the overwhelming majority of their fellow citizens neither wanted or owned a gun, it's simply not a part of a typical Australian's life , they aren't kept under the counter in stores or at home. Most weapons held were either sporting or souvenirs from WW2 or Vietnam (don't forget they were there too , probably the most successful army)
So what accounts for the rise in gun crime? It certainly isn't the result of no longer fearing retaliation or reaction from the victims because that was never there in the first place.

In the United Kingdom not only is the population unarmed so are the police except under certain exceptional circumstances.This does not mean that criminals go on an armed rampage, the whole country has less gun crime than a medium sized city in the US. A shooting here is national news.

What I find most interesting is the state of anxiety felt by the gun lobby.Why do they feel they need the assurance of a weapon? I certainly don't.

 

[Dean Wormer]

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What's most interesting is the OP did not provide any link to verify anything that he posted. All he did was cut and paste from various internet mass emails that periodically make their way around the country. Some of them have some truth to them and some are just plain incorrect.

Read this one about Nazi gun control.

I have to go see if I can verify the others.

 

[Rey C.]

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We are permitted to own guns but we are not permitted to have them on us or our vehicles. Even if you have a C&C permit it's null and void as soon as you step on the base.

9/11 changed what you used to do they are a lot more strict about guns on the base.

So if you live on base and you want to go hunting or target shooting, you get a pass or something to transport your gun off and back on base?

Oh, and does the base command have a list of every person or household that has a gun on the base?

 

[jasonk282]

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So if you live on base and you want to go hunting or target shooting, you get a pass or something to transport your gun off and back on base?

Oh, and does the base command have a list of every person or household that has a gun on the base?

It is up to the base commander to decided if he wants his sildiers to have personal firearms, so each base is different.

No they do not know which soldiers have firearms.

If we want to go target shootinging, there is a range on every base when you can practice our skills with each weapon. Only the range has the weapons and they are returned after your done.

 

[Rey C.]

Re: Would the Right to bear and keep arms on military bases prevent the Ft. Hood mass

It is up to the base commander to decided if he wants his sildiers to have personal firearms, so each base is different.

No they do not know which soldiers have firearms.

If we want to go target shootinging, there is a range on every base when you can practice our skills with each weapon. Only the range has the weapons and they are returned after your done.

Interesting: that there is no uniform policy in the military on firearms possession. So you could be at Fort Lee, where let's say they allow personal arms on base, and get transferred to Fort Hood (or where ever) and you'd have to get someone to store them off base for you?

That's pretty wild. I didn't know it worked that way.

 

[jasonk282]

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Interesting: that there is no uniform policy in the military on firearms possession. So you could be at Fort Lee, where let's say they allow personal arms on base, and get transferred to Fort Hood (or where ever) and you'd have to get someone to store them off base for you?

That's pretty wild. I didn't know it worked that way.

Correct different base's have different rules. Sorta like living in a gated community. one might permit certian things like firearms while another might not. Most Soldiers have seperate storage facilities at the self storage places where they can keep the stuff that they can't have on base.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

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We all know what incited this person to snap.

Banning private ownership of guns is worth considering given the realities of the world we live in today.

I'll tell you what, you get EVERY SINGLE gun, out of the hands of EVERY SINGLE criminal first, secure the borders to insure no guns can come in, then insure me a crime free society...other then traffic related crimes...for at least a period of 10 years, and I will consider selling them back to the Government. And I'm not willing to except ONE SINGLE PENNY LESS THEN, current market value, or original purchase price...which ever is higher, and I expect them to purchase any, and all accessories that I have accumulated, including cases, and cleaning supplies. I also expect that, my taxes WILL NOT, under ANY circumstances be increased to pay for this buy back, or for the increase in police officers needed to accomplish the initial confiscation of illegal firearms from aforementioned criminals, or the upkeep, construction, or staffing of any prison facilities. So what's your plan?

 

[Will E Worm]

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Would the Right to bear and keep arms on military bases prevent the Ft. Hood massacre

Yes.

You would think that they could carry their weapons.

We all know what incited this person to snap.

Banning private ownership of guns is worth considering given the realities of the world we live in today.

No

I think everyone should own a weapon. Cuts down on crime.

Yes

 

[JacknCoke]

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Yes.

You would think that they could carry their weapons.




No




Yes

LOL thanks Will E:rofl:

 

[Will E Worm]

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LOL thanks Will E:rofl:

You're welcome. I'm dishing out the straight facts today. :hatsoff:

 

[Spleen]

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So Americans have guns and now they want bears too? This has gone too far.

 

[StanScratch]

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So Americans have guns and now they want bears too? This has gone too far.

Won't anyone think of the children??!!??




My two cents: looser gun control will not prevent mass shootings such as this. It might cut down on the body count...might.
People who do that do so with two intents in mind: Killing other people, and getting themselves killed. They, in their twisted little minds, are going out in a blaze of glory. It would matter to them not one bit if everyone else is armed, as they have one key weapon: the element of surprise.

 

[Friday on my mind]

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I remember an old star trek called "a piece of the action".It was about a planet where humans had left them one book on the gangland era of chicago in the 20s.Everybody walked around with thompson machine guns,bet that was a safe place to be.Well at least it wouldn't be dull.:ak47:

 

[beauregard]

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Britain continues to have issues with gun crimes, even after outlawing all handguns.

[Between 1997 and 2003] crimes with [banned firearms] have more than doubled.... In 2002, for the fourth consecutive year, gun crime in England and Wales rose — by 35 percent for all firearms, and by a whopping 46 percent for the banned handguns. Nearly 10,000 firearms offenses were committed....

Clearly since the ban criminals have not found it difficult to get guns and the balance has not shifted in the interest of public safety....

In the four years from 1997 to 2001 the rate of violent crime more than doubled. The UK murder rate for 2002 was the highest for a century....

A recent study of all the countries of western Europe has found that in 2001 Britain had the worst record for killings, violence and burglary, and its citizens had one of the highest risks in the industrialized world of becoming victims of crime....

And here’s the icing on the cake: “[A] United Nations study of eighteen industrialized countries, including the United States, published in 2002 ... found England and Wales at the top of the Western world’s crime league, with the worst record for ‘very serious’ offenses.” [Emphasis added]

Britain has also considered banning knives. They raised the age which one could legally purchase a knife from 16 to 18.
They offer amnesty to turn in knives.

Yeah, gun laws help a lot.

Switzerland has one of the highest per capita gun ownership and basically keeps no stats since gun crimes are so low.

 

[jasonk282]

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No amount of gun control would stop this. Gun regulation is for regastared guns. I am 100% sure that criminals won't be telling the authorities that they have weapons. Actually according to the gun laws now they are not suppose to have guns.

Criminals look for easy victims and what is easier than an unarmed one.