Winning the 2020 election might not be a great idea for democrats...

[Johan]

According to the Joint Committee on Taxation the latest version of the Senate tax bill would effectively raise taxes for lower-income Americans by 2021.

Starting in 2021, a year after the next election, Americans earning $10,000 to $30,000 a year or less would pay higher taxes if the bill passes thanks to plans to repeal a core element of Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/18/trump-tax-plan-winners-and-losers



Now imagine : Trump finishes his mandate but loses re-election. A Democrat wins.
It's impossible to change the tax lesgislation fast enough to prevent americans earning 10,000 to $30,000 a year to see their taxes raising. So, who do you think they will blame for that tax raise ? The actual democrat President or Trump, the former president ?
(Don't answer, it's a rethorical question: off course they will blame the actual president).

And the tax plan isn't the only example, many things decided by this admùinistration will have positive consequences fro a few years before getting devastating by the time Trump's first term will be over

 

[sean miguel]

agreed, they need to lose in 2020.

Keep pushing for the abolishment of ICE and that should do it.

They need to lose in 2024 as well then do some soul-searching. Then lose a few more times for good measure.

for their own good of course.

 

[pool_hustler]

There's nothing wrong with pushing for the abolishment of ICE so long as the plan is to replace it with a better, more efficient entity/agency.

Which...from what I've read/heard thus far...IS the plan among virtually all of those who are pushing for abolition.

It seems the right - talented as always at fear mongering - is trying to frame that push as one for completely free and unrestricted borders - which would be a completely losing proposition - but which isn't in reality the goal.

 

[sean miguel]

There's nothing wrong with pushing for the abolishment of ICE so long as the plan is to replace it with a better, more efficient entity/agency.

Which...from what I've read/heard thus far...IS the plan among virtually all of those who are pushing for abolition.

It seems the right - talented as always at fear mongering - is trying to frame that push as one for completely free and unrestricted borders - which would be a completely losing proposition - but which isn't in reality the goal.

so it's the efficiency of ICE that they have a problem with? lol. They seem to be doing an efficient job of apprehending and then deporting those who shouldn't be here. The left are calling them a "deportation force" (along with the standard 'nazis') and democrats can't have that.

How about we have an agency that simply enforces our immigration law?

 

[pool_hustler]

Perhaps efficiency wasn't the best choice of words. The complaints seem to be mostly about methodology and lack of accountability.

Personally I'm good with enforcing our immigration laws, but considering how wedded both sides are to cheap labor... :dunno:

 

[Johan]

so it's the efficiency of ICE that they have a problem with? lol. They seem to be doing an efficient job of apprehending and then deporting those who shouldn't be here. The left are calling them a "deportation force" (along with the standard 'nazis') and democrats can't have that.

The raw number of illegals actually deported isn't the only way to measure ICE's efficience. One could also, for example, count the number legal foreigners or actual us citizens raided by ICE and compare it to the number of people actually deported...

 

[Jack Davenport]

Stormy’s pimp to run in 2020


https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...chael-avenatti-if-trump-runs-2020-i-will-run/
You
Can’t
Make
This
Stuff
Up


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Stormy’s pimp to run in 2020


https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...chael-avenatti-if-trump-runs-2020-i-will-run/
You
Can’t
Make
This
Stuff
Up


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Maybe he gives Stormy a cabinet position like bending her over the cabinet. She could be overqualified for that position though.

 

[sean miguel]

Maybe we can rebrand ICE to "reflect the morals of this country" (you know, instead of just simply enforcing our immigration laws).

Call it Immigration and Customs Enforcement - Tolerance, Empathy and Appeasement

Or ICE TEA if you will.

 

[sean miguel]

There's nothing wrong with pushing for the abolishment of ICE so long as the plan is to replace it with a better, more efficient entity/agency.

Which...from what I've read/heard thus far...IS the plan among virtually all of those who are pushing for abolition.

I'm sure whatever new agency that would be (if any) would be focused on enforcing our immigration law. And those democrats who are for catch-and-release and sanctuary cities ARE essentially for open borders.

 

[pool_hustler]

And those democrats who are for catch-and-release and sanctuary cities ARE essentially for open borders.

I'm not informed enough on the subject to comment much on sanctuary cities.
But catch-and-release sure didn't equate to open borders. During the Obama admin something like 75% of those caught and released ended up turning up for their scheduled court dates, with the balance being tried in absentia.
And he wasn't well liked by a number of immigration groups, who referred to him as the deporter in chief.

 

[sean miguel]

During the Obama admin something like 75% of those caught and released ended up turning up for their scheduled court dates, with the balance being tried in absentia.

that's seems awfully high. from what I've read, that figure is more like inversed.

the truth is out there, somewhere.

 

[pool_hustler]

No it's basically accurate, though that number has bounced as low as 60% one year and as high as 82 another.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ty-undocumented-immigrants-show-court-data-s/

Trump of course stated that none of them do :1orglaugh Then when pressed on that comment he amended that to 3%

 

[sean miguel]

what's the percentage of those when issued a removal order fail to comply?

 

[pool_hustler]

Could be wrong but I think at that point the next step is deportation with no opportunity presented to not comply.

 

[sean miguel]

Could be wrong but I think at that point the next step is deportation with no opportunity presented to not comply.

they are given 90 days to comply.

then it's if it's you can find them. hence ICE.

 

[pool_hustler]

I can't find that info at the moment and I'm too lazy to keep trying lol Can you link me to it?

 

[Jack Davenport]

I'm not informed enough on the subject to comment much on sanctuary cities.
But catch-and-release sure didn't equate to open borders. During the Obama admin something like 75% of those caught and released ended up turning up for their scheduled court dates, with the balance being tried in absentia.
And he wasn't well liked by a number of immigration groups, who referred to him as the deporter in chief.

Smoke meet mirrors.. mirrors meet smoke...

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

So sick of this “ deporter in Chief” horseshit.