Why There's No Sign of a Climate Conspiracy in the Hacked E-Mails

This is about the best response that I've seen to the whole CRU hacked e-mails scandal, which the right-wing is just gobbling up like a free bag of chips:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...imate-conspiracy-in-hacked-emails.html?page=3

Excerpt:

"Forget about the temperature records compiled by researchers such as those whose emails were hacked. Next spring, go out into your garden or the nearby countryside and note when the leaves unfold, when flowers bloom, when migrating birds arrive and so on. Compare your findings with historical records, where available, and you'll probably find spring is coming days, even weeks earlier than a few decades ago.

You can't fake spring coming earlier, or trees growing higher up on mountains, or glaciers retreating for kilometres up valleys, or shrinking ice cover in the Arctic, or birds changing their migration times, or permafrost melting in Alaska, or the tropics expanding, or ice shelves on the Antarctic peninsula breaking up, or peak river flow occurring earlier in summer because of earlier snowmelt, or sea level rising faster and faster, or any of the thousands of similar examples.

None of these observations by themselves prove the world is warming; they could simply be regional effects, for instance. But put all the data from around the world together, and you have overwhelming evidence of a long-term warming trend.

We know greenhouse gases are the main cause of warming

There are many ways, theoretically, to warm a planet. Orbital changes might bring it closer to its star. The star itself might brighten. The planet's reflectivity – albedo – can change if white ice is replaced by darker vegetation or water. Changes in composition of the atmosphere can trap more heat, and so on.

It could even be that Earth isn't really warming overall, just that there has been a transfer of heat from the oceans to the atmosphere.

Researchers have to look at all of these factors. And they have. Direct measurements since the 1970s make it certain, for instance, that neither the sun's fluctuating brightness nor changes in the number of cosmic rays hitting Earth are responsible for the recent warming. Similarly, direct measurements over the past century show that the oceans have warmed dramatically. The planet as a whole is getting warmer."
 

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It's funny people thinking it's a government conspiracy, ten years ago Governments weren't having any of what scientist said. Now Governments are meant to be responsible for inventing it.

People who talk about conspiracies, write, publish and sell books for a living. Scientist spublish data! And a scientist doesn't gain credibility by publishishing work that's not been measured and tripple checked! The last thing a good scientist will do is publish work that has no foundation, that he or she has invented!
 
Show me a 400 year old thermometer and get back to me.
 

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Show me a 400 year old thermometer and get back to me.

You can measure tempereature and climate in many ways! One of them: we all know that you can count the rings on a section of a tree! We have trees that are hundreds of years old, some die or get damaged that we can examine them. Some of these hippy scientists cut them down, but they are all hippicrits. Anyway, looking at the rings tell's more than age, the more or less spacing between the rings, gives an indication of the condition and climate that the tree was growing in. It doesn't give you exact temperature reading in farenheit or celsius obviously, so it's not a thermometer in the strictest sense.
 
Next spring, go out into your garden or the nearby countryside and note when the leaves unfold, when flowers bloom, when migrating birds arrive and so on. Compare your findings with historical records, where available, and you'll probably find spring is coming days, even weeks earlier than a few decades ago.

The arrival of spring has nothing to do with tempatures and everything to do with the tilt of the earth in relationship to the sun. We can have a warm winter but that doesn't make it spring. It's not spring until the sun crosses the equator. Birds and flowers react to seasonal changes...not changes in temperature. If there's a change in the seasonal patterns then maybe that's an indication of another problem but I don't accept that as proof of global warming.

Besides...if spring is really arriving earlier in the northern hemisphere...that means winter is arriving earlier in the southern hemisphere. So to everyone living below the equator...it's getting colder.

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The arrival of spring has nothing to do with tempatures and everything to do with the tilt of the earth in relationship to the sun. We can have a warm winter but that doesn't make it spring. It's not spring until the sun crosses the equator. Birds and flowers react to seasonal changes...not changes in temperature. If there's a change in the seasonal patterns then maybe that's an indication of another problem but I don't accept that as proof of global warming.

Besides...if spring is really arriving earlier in the northern hemisphere...that means winter is arriving earlier in the southern hemisphere. So to everyone living below the equator...it's getting colder.

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I'm not sure what your point is. You're correct that the arrival of spring has to do with the "tilt of the earth in relationship to the sun" and the corresponding length of days, but it ALSO has to do with temperature. Ever had a garden of any kind? Things will sprout and bloom at different points in time depending on how warm the winter and spring are.

Scientists have noted the shortening of winter and (especially) the minimalizing of spring and fall as the intermediate seasons by tracking how certain plant and animal species have migrated (by either altitude in mountainous regions, or by latitude). Plants, trees, and animals are leaving areas that they used to be common in and showing up in places where they would have been a rare sight or never seen at all. There's plenty of solid literature on these phenomena.

Short of any of this, talk to the owner or manager of a ski resort.
 
There are three considerations to be made-is the Earth warming? Do humans have a significant effect ? and one overlooked one is warming good or bad overall?
It's been realised that global temperatures rise and fall through natural causes , it's also well established that at the start of weather recording we were emerging from a Little Ice Age.So it's hardly surprising that seasons will be milder and winters less long lived.Plants are very sensitive to temperatures; my son lives 500 feet higher than we do and plants seem to be a week or two later coming out in the spring.
Do humans affect things? Obviously we are bound to make some sort of difference but is it a significant one? Looking through graphs and data it's very difficult to see any real change over and above what was happening anyway.We've been belching out CO2 in quantity for a century or so and levels have been steadily rising.But global temperatures haven't followed this trend.Indeed we were cooling in the 1970s to the extent that the consesnsus of scientists (that expression has been around a lot lately!) was that cooling was a major cause of anxiety and another ice age was around the corner.Whatever the effect of humans it's been dwarfed by other factors.
Is warming good or bad? A warm planet with relatively high CO2 levels will markedly improve crop yields , extend growing seasons and provide other benefits.The downside has been well publicised.
As for the e mails, well, if your data speak for themselves you leave them alone and provide them as evidence for your point of view.What this affair looks like is an assumption of a certain theory (man made warming) and evidence supporting it is dressed up as much as possible;what doesn't support it is quietly ignored or even suppressed.We are given carefully selected and processed information and not the true overall picture. So the melting ice sheets are prominently mentioned but what do they say about the ice fields which are thickening?
 

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'U.N. talks open with calls for ‘immediate action’
World envoys warned this could be the last best chance for a climate deal'


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34308377/ns/us_news-environment/

'The evidence is now overwhelming" that the world needs early action to combat global warming, said Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an U.N. expert panel.

He defended climate research in the face of a controversy over e-mails pilfered from a British university, which global warming skeptics say show scientists have been conspiring to hide evidence that doesn't fit their theories.

"The recent incident of stealing the e-mails of scientists at the University of East Anglia shows that some would go to the extent of carrying out illegal acts perhaps in an attempt to discredit the IPCC," he told the conference. '
 
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