why is porn legal when Prostitution isnt?

[magicspore]

Clear case of double standards if you ask me. Someone with even half a brain to avoid being charged for having indulged in prostitution can easily work his way out as in the following example:

Say i cannot afford to get laid and ask my friend to pay for my hookerage , i am the direct recipient of sexual gratification making this a clear case of prostitution but if i have him pay me money to record it so somebody else can get off on it even though im indirectly paying for sex, it seizes to be prostitution ?

If this logic is even half true then most of who masquerade as male porn-stars with surgically enhanced cocks as their eligibility for prostitution in a formal setting are actually no different from the guy next door who actually pays for the damn thing and gets prosecuted while the former do it having bought the comfort of tax paid convenience through a profiteering producer and plush apartments while enjoying freedom of speech under the first amendment? Bollucks.

I know I will get flamed since this is a porn forum , but someone had to say it.

 

[enndaley]

It's called ACTING

 

[magicspore]

Get a huge cock implant and I will nominate you at the next Porn Oscars.

 

[BlueSpyder]

Exactly. The Religious Right, has a harder time of shutting down porn, because it's so wide spread. Prostitution tends to pop up in small clustered places, where it can be, in essence captured. And Police go after Prostitutes rather than drug dealers standing on the same corner, because, they don't run, they don't put up a fight, they're less likely to carry guns and at the officer. Essentially they go for the easy bust.

How many times has cities attempted to legalize prostitution, with strict medical guidelines, permits. That means money for the city. Who steps in and votes it down? Churchies and Bible Thumpers. You'd be surprised how many prostitutes work out of Salt Lake, the heart of Mormon land.

I agree with you 100%, all the politicians and bible huggers are hypocrites, believe in family values and doing everything "right" and then they are busted doing blow off of a strippers ass and knocking up other women.

 

[enndaley]

I agree with you 100%, all the politicians and bible huggers are hypocrites, believe in family values and doing everything "right" and then they are busted doing blow off of a strippers ass and knocking up other women.

The problem for social conservatives is that porn is the ultimate example laissez faire capitalism at work-well, porn, prostitution and drugs.

 

[Ike Stain]

The problem for social conservatives is that porn is the ultimate example laissez faire capitalism

Shaw wrote a play about it: Mrs. Warren's Profession

Shaw said he wrote the play "to draw attention to the truth that prostitution is caused,
not by female depravity and male licentiousness, but simply by underpaying,
undervaluing, and overworking women so shamefully that the poorest of them
are forced to resort to prostitution to keep body and soul together."

 

[Born2Jizz]

I believe the legal reason is in regards to public health. STD's would be much more rampant with legal prostitution. :2 cents::dunno:

*Keep in mind this is coming from an escort/escort user point of view. :thumbsup:

 

[Ike Stain]

I believe the legal reason is in regards to public health. STD's would be much more rampant with legal prostitution. :2 cents::dunno:

*Keep in mind this is coming from an escort/escort user point of view. :thumbsup:

My understanding regarding the countries where it is legal is that part of the reasoning is health related— by bringing it out of the underground, you can mandate health checks for sex workers.

Unfortunately, legal prostitution does not seem to have had much of impact on trafficking =[ , which seems to have more to do with economics than anything (i.e. few opportunities for woman in many countries or social strata facilitates this kind of victimization.)

 

[Born2Jizz]

My understanding regarding the countries where it is legal is that part of the reasoning is health related— by bringing it out of the underground, you can mandate health checks for sex workers.

Unfortunately, legal prostitution does not seem to have had much of impact on trafficking =[ , which seems to have more to do with economics than anything (i.e. few opportunities for woman in many countries or social strata facilitates this kind of victimization.)

An excellent point. :hatsoff:

 

[Facetious]

Porn isn't (universally) legal in the U.S. People have the misconception that it is, just because we can sit in our living rooms and view it on a PC without getting a loud knock on the door from The Man. Obscenity laws are mostly based on the "prevailing community standards." So what might be legal in Las Vegas or Phoenix might not be legal where I live. Within the past couple of years, our local rag has run stories about people being charged with possession of obscene materials. One was a truck driver (passing through) who got pulled over for a DWI and the other was a local guy busted for drugs. Both had "obscene" DVD's and magazines in their possession. On the one busted for drugs, I asked a cop pal of mine if it was kiddie porn or animals or whatever. He said that it was just "normal" porn. But they decided to hit him with everything they could, since around here, what he had did (in their opinion) violate the local community standards. I didn't keep up with the case, so I don't know if he was convicted or not.

A lot of the "Johnny come lately" Ronald Reagan worshippers on here (conveniently) forget how things played out during the Meese Commission days of the Reagan administration.

Ouch! is that ever a statement of gratuitous swagger! This is most surprising coming from you º-O of all members! ... and he didn't even invite me over for drinks :glugglug: :1orglaugh
Seriously though, you could have just as easily praised those Ronnie come lately worshippers for being ''bold'' and ''courageous'' line crossers, no?
So the sheriff packed all of the pagan biker/woman traders on railcars and all of the extreme right wing christians filled the gaps, eh? :angels:

Well, as they say, if you have lemons, make lemonade . . . didn't you indulge on the opportunity to broker many of these properties? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :yesyes:

 

[Member2019]

I still don't know why more states don't adopt Nevada Style laws regarding prostitution.

Agreed.

It still occurs, regardless of legality. As such, it becomes a matter of public safety and health. Without recognizing and ensuring basic standards, the public is harmed, as it still continues. Ironically, and the studies don't like, random sex with strangers is far worse than a regulated industry of prostitution.

I know some people will disagree, but putting the politics aside, this is the same argument with abortion. The fact remains that it still occurs, legal or not. That statistic is not only a reality in the US, but abroad (I always loved the statistics in the Soviet Union on abortions during the Cold War, quite eye opening). It becomes a public health issue, ensuring basic standards, the public is harmed without legalization and regulation, as it still occurs.

And in both cases, it negatively affects the well-being of women predominately. Not surprisingly, men vote very differently than women as a result, despite what people would assume how men would. The issue is largely about the health of women, not so much right v. wrong. I woke up to this in my mid-to-late teens.

The argument of right v. wrong when it comes to alleged morals is a personal and spiritual one, for you and the ones you love. But the argument of health v. morals is one where health should trump anything and everything in your vote, as you cannot control the decision and alleged moral of others. You can only ensure that if they make one decision, it is a safe, healthy choice, because they are still going to make it, even if it is not.

 

[Member2019]

The difference between sex as a problem and sex is not a problem is when something is combined with the sex that is already a problem. Irresponsibility, lack of consent, violation and even violence, those are the problems. Sex is just the excuse, as it comes out in other forms as well.

The argument that pornography is harmful is based on an industry that is partially run by outcasts and cater to the minority of consumers that want those acts. Erotica and the enjoyment of mutually consenting sex, between two (or more) adults, fantasy and positive role-play and other situations, is not harmful because it is not introducing anything that is already a problem outside of sex.

Here in the US, we grow up learning what is absolutely right and wrong, and are force-fed abstinence. Some teach responsibility along with lack of abstinence, but it doesn't go far enough. Instead, we should teach consent first and foremost. We do not. We have all of these pressures and other non-sense, and people do things they do not want. We do not each consent, we do not teach kids how to say no, we do not teach them to be responsible.

And, frankly, the lack of responsibility my generation has shown as adults has not provided an good example anyway. Which is why it doesn't surprise me how it comes out in our education system either. We're so focused on judgment, alleged morals, and saying we're better than others that we forgot, long ago, our basic instincts to respect the decisions of others, and not "respect" as if it is some absolute that we can say others wrongfully disagree with it if doesn't match our "values."

So this is the result. And we're only getting worse. Freedom used to be about letting adults consent. Now it's about "policy" and other things lawyers talk about. We've been so irresponsible that we've taken away from ourselves. Why? Out of the name of protecting ourselves from ourselves, instead of focusing on what is important.

We argue over whether pornography is bad or if prostitution is bad, instead of arguing what pornography is harmful and how to protect women, and what we need to do to ensure prostitution is sustainable for the women. Anyone who wants to go into those details are laughed at or, worse yet, considered just "part of the problem" -- from both sides (those who want it gone, and those who want to keep it raw and unchallenged).

When did we ever reach this point?

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Sad fact is that nobody wants to campaign on being the guy who legalizes prostitution. Just like pot, the stigma attached is huge. Therefor, an industry is relegated to the black market where there's zero regulation. And everybody who hates to think is content.

I can go to the bar tonight, ply a girl with free booze and then there's a decent chance that I can A) fuck her and B) send her ass home so she doesn't even know my name.

Perfectly legal.

No anti-prostitution advocate could articulate why that's any better than paying a sober woman to do the same thing. Because thinking and spending time with thought is something we refuse to do.

 

[Automate]

This is another type of hypocricy when you get right down to it. Porn just makes too much taxable money to be illegal. I could say a lot more, but I can't be arsed right now.

 

[Member2019]

I can go to the bar tonight, ply a girl with free booze and then there's a decent chance that I can A) fuck her and B) send her ass home so she doesn't even know my name.
Perfectly legal.

Actually, in some US state and other locales, this may not be legal.

There are newer laws regarding inebriation and influence in some areas, and they are not favorable to men at all, especially if the woman tries to state she did not knowingly consent to being under the influence. I had a friend run into this a couple years back, and it was my statements (being that I never drink) that saved his ass.

But yeah, ironically, sending her home with no information and memory is actually the best way to protect oneself. Sad, but true.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

The age old debate of sex for favors over sex for money.

 

[qiinson]

Not always. There are a lot of things considered porn that do not involve sex acts.

There are a lot of things considered prostitution that do not involve sex acts.

They are very similar. One makes use of a camera and the other generally doesn't. A lady or man could be a porn star in the morning and a prostitute at night as they are basically the same except in the eyes of the law in some countries. Basically the same in my eyes so both should be legal. :2 cents:

 

[Rey C.]

I just saw an interesting piece on TV about sugar daddies and their sugar babies. I tuned in late, but the part I saw had this guy, who appeared to be in his late 50's, making time with this ditzy looking blonde, who appeared to be in her early 20's. She was physically what he was looking for. He was financially what she was looking for.

The guy who matched them runs a site called Sugar Daddy For Me. I don't know which state it operates out of (though I doubt it's my state). And while there's nothing that explicitly states that the arrangements are "pay-for-play", it's pretty well understood that the sug@r baby will take care of the sugar daddy's needs, as long as he takes care of her needs. The guy being interviewed even said that.

How far do the moralists want to take it? Why isn't this prostitution, and don't we need a Federal Task Force to look into it? What if a girl in Nevada gets matched up with a guy in Maryland? Oh my gosh, that might be furthering interstate prostitution!!! Quick! Somebody call the law!!! :eek:

 

[Supafly]

Because Adolf Hitler.

Can you please complete that sentence ^^

As a german, I am very interested about the marvels the cat worked!

I know Horst Wessel was a pimp in Berlin, and Streicher had some serious pornographic issues in 'The Stürmer'. What did Adolf do?

Back on topic:

In Germany, Pornography is not completely legal, we have laws that prohibit the spreading of pornographic and lewd material to areas and situations where underage persons can be exposed to that. That's why there is no german FreeOnes.

Of course, all the kids today know how to visit the interesting places on the web, so:

Hi, guys!

Just make sure you use condoms and make sure you clean up the place you do it.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

In Germany, Pornography is not completely legal, we have laws that prohibit the spreading of pornographic and lewd material to areas and situations where underage persons can be exposed to that. That's why there is no german FreeOnes.

As I understand it, there is also no German word for 'comfy'. This AND the absence of Freeones is very suspicious, und ein wenig unheimlich.

That said, I do love Germany. Lived there, vacationed there, worked there, drunk a LOT of beer there.

And it's interesting to see how different cultures approach drawing lines of what is and isn't morally and/or legally acceptable in their culture.

In Germany, Freeones ...... NO!
Some enormous chick offering to bang you in the ass with a dildo the size of a Buick while she's sat in a store window!...... perfectly OK. Please proceed.

Each culture has its logical dichotomies when it comes to sex and the policing of sex.

In Germany it's the way they define 'available' in terms of the potential for the corruption of the morals of minors (rhymey!)

In many Arabic countries it's illegal to commit adultery: so most brothels have an in-house Imam to marry the John to the hooker and then annul the marriage after he's done with her. Just to keep things all nice and moral.

In the UK it's not a crime (or at least it wasn't when I was there) to solicit a prostitute, but it is a crime to respond to a solicitation. (surprise - it's the woman that ends up with a criminal record). It's not against the law to sell comics and skin mags in the same rack - as long as the mags are out of reach of children (good job eyes can't see past the end of our arms)

I'd be interested if anyone else has examples of this kind of nonsense from around the big, blue world?