Where in the world is it safe to travel?
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No place is ‘safe’ never has been never will be.
Don’t live scared the world is going to eventually eat you anyway.
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Just had a dispute with my wife regarding traveling safety, so I googled this thread... I knew there are dangerous places for tourists. Just didn't expect them to be this numerous...
But oof course, there's no way this is related to Japan being the country with the toughest gun legislation on the entire planet...
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Since gun happy Switzerland is ranked as being safer than even Japan, probably not.
I think that culture, upbringing and ingrained beliefs (morals and ethics) have as much or more to do with it than whether or not someone has access to a gun. Socio-economic factors (wealth, education levels, etc.) also play a major role. These are all areas where Switzerland and Japan excel. In the U.S., your chances of being shot or robbed in Palos Verdes, CA are pretty low. But just a few miles away in East L.A., if you're lucky enough not to be shot while you're being robbed, you'll probably get stabbed or beaten with a pipe.
Personally, I'm planning on becoming an illegal alien in Monaco if/when I go to the Grand Prix. Worst thing that'll happen to me there is I'll get run over by some bleach blonde gold-digger driving her sugar daddy's LaFerrari.
I agree with you that Switzerland is one of the most safest countries in the world, I can agree with that because I have some relatives living there and every time, the streets were absolutely clean and the swiss are quite polite and friendly people.Since gun happy Switzerland is ranked as being safer than even Japan, probably not.
I think that culture, upbringing and ingrained beliefs (morals and ethics) have as much or more to do with it than whether or not someone has access to a gun. Socio-economic factors (wealth, education levels, etc.) also play a major role. These are all areas where Switzerland and Japan excel. In the U.S., your chances of being shot or robbed in Palos Verdes, CA are pretty low. But just a few miles away in East L.A., if you're lucky enough not to be shot while you're being robbed, you'll probably get stabbed or beaten with a pipe.
Personally, I'm planning on becoming an illegal alien in Monaco if/when I go to the Grand Prix. Worst thing that'll happen to me there is I'll get run over by some bleach blonde gold-digger driving her sugar daddy's LaFerrari.
https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-switzerland/housing/the-best-places-to-live-in-switzerland
However poverty exists in Switzerland and it shouldn't be underestimated
https://borgenproject.org/7-facts-poverty-switzerland/
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-slums-in-Switzerland
Only people with a very high salary can live in Switzerland and you don't have welfare cases unlike other european countries. Regarding Monaco, it has been infested since the mid 90's early 00's by the russian mob. Never liked Monaco.
Regarding L.A. it has been one of the worst town to live with the homeless population increasing but also with bad neighborhoods such as the Watts and Compton, and the town has been run by Democrats , certainly not where I would live.
Since gun happy Switzerland is ranked as being safer than even Japan, probably not.
Ah, Switzerland...
I love when gun enthusiasts bring the Switzerland argument on the table because they're actually totally clueless about the Swiss gun-legislation :
1) At 19 (or 20), every male swiss citizen must undergo basic military training at the Rekrutenschule (recruit school) after which Swiss men remain part of the militia until age 30 (34 for officers).
2) During that time they have to keep their gun at home or they can store it in the city's Zeughaus (armoury).
3) The gun is provided by the government and it's a very specific gun : 5.56x45mm SIG SG 550 rifle for enlisted personnel (and/or the 9mm SIG P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, military police, medical and postal personnel).
4) The ammos are provided by the government as sealed package.
5) It is illegal to use these ammos without government authorisation.
6) Buying any other gun or ammos requires a licence.
7) At the end of their time of service, men can keep the gun but this requires a specific licence.
8) The Swiss governement sponsors shooting range. The ammos that are bought at the shooting range have to be used there only.
9) Carrying a gun requires a licence.
Such tough gun laws is probably why Switzerland has very few shootings. But still, shit happens, very rarely but it happens.
Married father-of-three opens fire in mass shooting in tiny Swiss town 'killing four before turning the gun on himself : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ing-north-Switzerland-town.html#ixzz4yFGD68pr
The truth is, gun enthusiasts fantasize about Switzerland being a anti gun-control country where it's the opposite : Switzerland has tough gun laws
The truthis Switzerland proves my point : the tougher gun laws are, the lower homicide rates are.
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Thank you! There are some details in your info that is new to me, while the basics I knew.
The Swiss have a close to perfect system, but I guess the background regarding education etc. almost heavily factors in. Sadly, as you stated, the gun nuts disregard these facts.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
M'kay. Good idea. Not sure how it makes your point, but I actually like that idea. I think we should have that here. Pound some of these little snowflakes into adulthood.
At home? :eek:
Hmm, what sort of gun is that? Oh, a 5.56x45mm SIG SG 550. Why, I do believe that's a select fire assault rifle... a machine gun! Good goopity goo! I've been around a few exotic firearms in my time, but I've only seen pictures of those... since it's illegal for American citizens to own or possess fully automatic or select fire weapons produced after 1986.
Darn those Swiss. So ammo bought in a sealed packet, with a license and government authorization, prevents people from sliding rounds in their pocket and going on a shooting spree, if that's their desire? Have you read about the gun control laws in Chicago??? You can't even (legally) have machine guns there, and people are still shooting people like it's going out of style. Why come that?
Cool. But an American still couldn't buy one of those SIG SG 550s - and all they have to do to keep a machine gun is get a license. Sweet!
When I lived in the D.C. area, residents of Wasington were prohibited from owning or possessing handguns, except under VERY special circumstances (meaning wealthy/connected people could get one, but normal people could not). And as I recall, the year that I moved (ran) away from that shithole, D.C. and Gary, Indiana were running neck & neck for Murder Capital of the Good Ol' U.S. of A.
Who exactly said that Switzerland was anti-gun control? Who exactly said that in this thread??? No, what was said, by me anyway, was that Switzerland is gun happy. And it is. Much like where I live, the shooting sports are quite popular there.
As for your belief that words on a piece of paper will make people follow the rules, explain Chicago to me. Take your time. Think it through. Where I live, it's "open carry" - you can carry concealed with a license, but if you choose to carry a sidearm in the open, you can... FREELY. Yet, we have an EXTREMELY low firearms homicide rate here. No! How could that be?! Something isn't lining up with your argument here.
I'll explain being that I'm a resident of the great city of Chicago. It's pretty simple. While Chicago has very tough gun laws, they don't mean jack shit when surrounding states have lax gun laws. And I'm talking specifically about Indiana. The majority of the guns used in crimes come from outside of Illinois
M'kay. Good idea. Not sure how it makes your point, but I actually like that idea. I think we should have that here. Pound some of these little snowflakes into adulthood.
At home? :eek:
Hmm, what sort of gun is that? Oh, a 5.56x45mm SIG SG 550. Why, I do believe that's a select fire assault rifle... a machine gun! Good goopity goo! I've been around a few exotic firearms in my time, but I've only seen pictures of those... since it's illegal for American citizens to own or possess fully automatic or select fire weapons produced after 1986.
So ammo bought in a sealed packet, with a license and government authorization, prevents people from sliding rounds in their pocket and going on a shooting spree, if that's their desire? Have you read about the gun control laws in Chicago??? You can't even (legally) have machine guns there, and people are still shooting people like it's going out of style. Why come that?
Cool. But an American still couldn't buy one of those SIG SG 550s - and all they have to do to keep a machine gun is get a license. Sweet!
When I lived in the D.C. area, residents of Wasington were prohibited from owning or possessing handguns, except under VERY special circumstances (meaning wealthy/connected people could get one, but normal people could not). And as I recall, the year that I moved (ran) away from that shithole, D.C. and Gary, Indiana were running neck & neck for Murder Capital of the Good Ol' U.S. of A.
Who exactly said that Switzerland was anti-gun control? Who exactly said that in this thread??? No, what was said, by me anyway, was that Switzerland is gun happy. And it is. Much like where I live, the shooting sports are quite popular there.
As for your belief that words on a piece of paper will make people follow the rules, explain Chicago to me. Take your time. Think it through. Where I live, it's "open carry" - you can carry concealed with a license, but if you choose to carry a sidearm in the open, you can... FREELY. Yet, we have an EXTREMELY low firearms homicide rate here. No! How could that be?! Something isn't lining up with your argument here.
What you fail to understand is that, yeah, Switzerlad is gun happy. But it's alos very much gun-control happy. I did not mentioned it but people with criminal background or with psychological issues don't have to keep government provide guns and ammos, which make it much more difficult for them to get one.
Often time, gun-enthusiast like ot say "gun control is not abot gfuns, it's about control". They are right.
The NRA often talks about the "good guy with a gun". They are right.
Gun control is not about making gun illegals, it's about making guns legal for good guys while making them as difficult to get as possible for bad guys. But that's no the american gun lobby's agenda : their agenda is to make sure criminal and nutjobs get a gun, to make sure people get scared so that they would armed themselves ot the teeth.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I know. It's no different than the situation in the Washington Metro area when I lived there - only the "offending state" was primarily Virginia. And there was also a record number of D.C. Metro cops "losing" their new Glock 22s when they were first issued. $1500 street price for a $400 pistol was the figure that I heard back in the day.
Which is why I said:
Smuggling and strawman purchases are illegal (people disobeying the words on the piece of paper). And here are the words on a piece of paper:
- 4. Hand Gun Possession
a. A person under 18 years of age is a juvenile under Federal law and may not possess a handgun or handgun only ammo, §§ 922 (x)(2), (x)(3), & (x)(5), but exceptions exist, see Section C.11.
b. Possess - A person 18 years of age or older may possess a HG (pistol, revolver).
c. Purchase - A person 18 years of age or older may purchase a HG from a non-licensee (not a gun dealer) who resides in the same State as the purchaser.
d. Gift / Loan- A person 18 years of age or older may receive a HG as a gift or loan from a non-licensee who resides in the same State as the recipient.
e. Outside State of Residency - A person may not receive a HG from a non-licensee who resides in another State, except by:
1) Will or intestate succession, § 922 (a)(5)(A) giver, § 922 (a)(3)(A) receiver, or
2) Temporary loan or rental for lawful sporting purposes, § 922 (a)(5)(B), or
3) The non-resident may send or deliver the HG (see § 1715, HGs non-mailable) to an FFL in the receiver’s State for purchase from the FFL, § 922 (a)(2)(A).(unless the recipient State bans that type hand gun)
f. It is a felony violation to willfully violate the residency laws: § 922 (a)(5) transferor’s violation, § 922 (a)(3) receiver’s violation, up to 5 years in prison.
In order for words on paper to be effective there has to either be a willingness on the part of the people or a control mechanism. In Switzerland, there may be both, I don't know. Where I live, there seems to be a bit of one or the other, if not both. In Chicago, L.A. and D.C., among other places, there's apparently neither. What one does about that, I honestly don't know. But the belief that more empty, but well meaning, words on paper will make a difference, is incredibly naive in my opinion.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
You really don't know much about gun laws in the U.S., do you? I'm not picking on you, but you seem to think that someone can walk out of San Quentin after serving a sentence for murder and waltz into a gun shop and walk out with an arm full of Glocks and AR-15s. Apart from their storage provisions for ammo (and the fact that they can possess new model machine guns and we can't), you could look around the area where I live and it would be much the same as the situation in Switzerland - cause we (generally) don't run around shooting each other either. Felons, people convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors, court adjudicated mental defectives, dishonorable discharges from the military and certain other conditions cannot legally possess firearms in the United States.
Er... uh... eh... argh... yeaaaaah. That. Is. Exactly. Right. In fact, I've heard that the NRA and the JFPO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) have a joint funding program where every murderer and rapist gets a free .38 snubnose the very day that they get out of prison.
But that doesn't matter very much since background checks aren't mandatory...
Look at the stats of your fabulous town
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2...through-first-half-of-2019-police-crime-stats
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...ough-first-five-months-of-2019-510706811.html
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-killed-most-violent-weekend-2019/1334351001/
It has the dumbest gun laws and it has been mismanaged through decades.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
In the case of new gun purchases (which can only be made through Federal Firearms License dealers), yes, they most certainly are. Any transfer of firearms ownership made through a dealer requires a background check. As well, ALL Title II weapons transfers require a background check. That's Federal law. Additionally, some states have restrictions or regulations on private sales. But things like strawman purchases (someone with a clean record posing as the legitimate buyer, but really buying for a prohibited person) are illegal under Federal law, whether it's a dealer or a private sale. Private sale background checks are an issue though. And privacy advocates, like the ACLU, don't make that any easier.
You might also learn more about the inefficiency of our court system in relaying adjudicated case information to the federal database on prohibited persons, as well as special interest groups opposing putting more people with mental health issues on the prohibited list. I fully agree that there are certain people who should not (ever) be allowed to own or possess a firearm. But maintaining a complete database proves difficult, in part because everyone has an advocate these days, claiming that they're a victim of something unfair.
Where are you getting all of this false information from, Johan?
Really? What happened?
Which country is safe to travel ? Certainly not the US...
So, if you're not american think again before planning to vist the US, 'cause you might not come back in one piece. Particularly if you're black or brown or latino...
https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-re...ning-for-the-u-s-due-to-rampant-gun-violence/
So, if you're not american think again before planning to vist the US, 'cause you might not come back in one piece. Particularly if you're black or brown or latino...
Then again, they literally just experienced the worst mass murder since WWII.
Canada? On the same weekend as the Ohio/Texas massacres, Toronto alone had 14 separate shootings. And after a manhunt that gripped the country for the past few weeks, they just found the bodies of 2 teens who shot/murdered several people.
This year showed even places like New Zealand aren't even safe from such massacres either.
Where in the world is it safe? That's a legit question these days.
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