What would you do if you found out a star's real identity?

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

Please show me in the board rules where that is prohibited.

To the best of my knowledge it's not explicitly spelled out anywhere for public consumption, I could look into this further if you'd like, or ask Petra to put it clearly in the rules, though really, it's something that shouldn't have to be stated. The rules can't possibly cover every single potentially stupid thing that someone could do, at a certain point you have to rely on common sense. Ultimately FreeOnes is a business, and they have to work with the people in the industry. Allowing end users to violate the privacy of those you work with is obviously bad for business. Common sense should tell anyone this.

If it helps, it is confirmed as an infraction for moderators, and I've already received word from On High to permanently ban an unrelated user for offenses in this vein. So I can assure you it is against the rules.

Beyond which...

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...there's a nice catchall that covers it, and I gave fair warning.

 

[Rey C.]

What would you do if you found out a star's real identity?

I already know the real identities/real names of dozens of porn stars. A site I used to go to had a thread that had a massive list. Other than being briefly amused at how some chose porn names that were wildly different from their real names, I really didn't see what the big deal was... unless you're some sort of weirdo that likes to stalk and harass people.

As for contacting someone (whether I know them or not) and telling them that they can be found on FaceBook, I would assume that they already know that they can be found on FaceBook... especially if they post pictures of themselves there. From what little I know about these social networking sites, the whole point is to find and be found. As for privacy, I really don't mean to sound harsh, but the primary reason that I forbade my ex-girlfriend from ever posting my picture on her or her sister's FaceBook pages was because I do value my privacy. And since that site is owned by Mark Zuckerberg & Co., the idea that there is any expectation of privacy there is a wishful illusion. FaceBook put out an update to its Android app a few months ago. Upon installing the app and opening it, it transmitted the user's phone number and personal contacts back to FaceBook. Zuckie said he sure was real sorry 'bout that and he sure wouldn't do that no more. Oddly enough, his nose increased in length within 30 seconds of him saying that. But whether you download the FaceBook app or you simply buy a phone which has FaceBook pre-installed, you are (by default) agreeing to FaceBook's Terms of Service. And just from scanning over the FaceBook TOS when my girl was trying to convince me that private meant private, it took no more than a few minutes of reading to plainly see that private meant whatever Mark Zuckerberg wanted it to mean from minute to minute, day to day... at his discretion... subject to change... with no prior notice to the end user. FaceBook has often made so-called "private" information public on a number of occasions. It truly amazes me that Americans (especially) will complain about what the NSA is (wrongly) doing, but will spin around at their desk and post their vacation travel schedules on FaceBook... for only their friends to see. But as they say, a hard head makes for a soft ass.

Naively putting your personal info on a "free" site owned by a (for-profit, data mining, ad based) corporation does not excuse some creep from harassing (or thinking about harassing) a porn star or anyone else. But if I was trying to keep my private information private, I'd have nothing to do with FaceBook or anything like it.

 

[kappy]

If they wanted fans involved in their lives they would use their real info, clearly not if they use different names for business, leave them alone they need personal lives just like everyone else.

 

[Ace Bandage]

To the best of my knowledge it's not explicitly spelled out anywhere for public consumption, I could look into this further if you'd like, or ask Petra to put it clearly in the rules, though really, it's something that shouldn't have to be stated. The rules can't possibly cover every single potentially stupid thing that someone could do, at a certain point you have to rely on common sense. Ultimately FreeOnes is a business, and they have to work with the people in the industry. Allowing end users to violate the privacy of those you work with is obviously bad for business. Common sense should tell anyone this.

If it helps, it is confirmed as an infraction for moderators, and I've already received word from On High to permanently ban an unrelated user for offenses in this vein. So I can assure you it is against the rules.

So your earlier assertion that it is "very much against the rules" was inaccurate. As I expected. It's not implicitly or explicitly forbidden anywhere in the board rules. You just don't like it. And as a brand new, swinging dick moderator, you're going to throw your weight around when you can, right? Good to see that your enforcement of the board rules isn't grounded to anything in writing but subject to your own whim.

I also don't think it's entertaining or professional to joke about banning people (as you did with M12). There used to be a rule here (before you joined) that nobody talked about banning. At all. It wasn't a subject that was taken lightly. Good to see you're taking your mandate seriously.

It's always interesting to observe members when they are selected as moderators. How well do they handle their new administrative responsibilities? Some turn out like DOA. Some turn out like georges. I have a feeling I know which one you're going to be like. Not surprising really.

 

[Philbert]

Yep...

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

I also don't think it's entertaining or professional to joke about banning people (as you did with M12).

That's somewhat of a non-sequitur, being a moderator isn't a paid position. If you want to pick things apart, that is.

Looks to me like that handy catchall of "deemed inappropriate" or "degrading to any model" could easily be interpreted to include posting a pornstar's personal Facebook with her real name, that has nothing connected to her porn career on it, onto a porn forum so fans could potential go to it and troll with comments about how much spunk they've watched her swallow. Common sense, yeah?

If that's still the point of the thread. Suddenly feels like it isn't.

 

[Ace Bandage]

That's somewhat of a non-sequitur, being a moderator isn't a paid position. If you want to pick things apart, that is.

No, but if one is going to accept a position as a moderator, one should be held to higher standards of accountability in regards to board conduct.

Substitute whatever synonym of professional you desire. Doesn't change the sentiment.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

So your earlier assertion that it is "very much against the rules" was inaccurate. As I expected.

No. I think you didn't read what I posted.

If it helps, it is confirmed as an infraction for moderators...

It's available in a post from Petra which moderators are expected to read, it's just not something in a public area.

As I said, if you'd like I could ask Petra to put it clearly in the rules (as in, the ones available for public consumption, as opposed to those available to the moderators).

I also don't think it's entertaining or professional to joke about banning people (as you did with M12).

I didn't. You'll notice I never said I'd ban him, nor even that I wanted to ban him. In fact, I specifically said I wouldn't and that if he thought that it was a misconception on his part.

If you have an issue with my post or behavior feel free to report it, or PM one of the admins directly. To be quite honest, if I were kicked off the squad right this minute it wouldn't particularly bother me. It's a volunteer position. I'm not getting paid, and to say it's a thankless job would be understating things. I've already had to deal with things I'd rather not.

That said, I feel I've been perfectly fair in my dealing with the board and it's members, and when I've thought there was even a chance that I couldn't be I've stepped back from the situation. If you disagree consult Petra. If Petra agrees with you she can relieve me of the position and I won't say a thing to try and change her mind.

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

No, but if one is going to accept a position as a moderator, one should be held to higher standards of accountability in regards to board conduct.

Let's put it this way - it was a joke, he wasn't going to ban Vanilla for disagreeing with him. Vanilla knew he wasn't going to get banned for disagreeing with him. Nobody has been, or will be banned for disagreeing with him. Just looks like you're picking a fight for the sake of it, in the wake of Happy's perfectly reasonably "catchall" explanation. Maybe there's "previous" there, I don't know. I try and consider a post for its content, not who posted it. * What I will say for HHJJ's tenure so far, is that I know he's been instrumental in banning some spammers/trolls. So, good work.

EDIT - plus that level-headed magnanimous post above. Keep on keeping on, Happy.

Realistically that catchall could be rephrased "don't be a cunt" and I think we might all understand it better. Because, back to the point, common sense says posting a pornstar's personal Facebook page makes you a cunt.


* Well, unless it's a post by a certain currently-banned proven racist, liar and hypocrite.

 

[Ace Bandage]

^^ And as I said before, my objection does not stem from the seriousness or the intent of the joke. I did not think M12 was going to be banned. My objection was that a moderator was discussing/joking with another member about banning. It used to be a bannable offense to even talk about banning (obviously that ship has sailed now).

I just don't think it's something to joke about or toss around lightly. Regardless of intent.

I would not dream of disturbing Petra with this issue. I'm sure (god, I hope) she has much more important shit to deal with.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

EDIT - plus that level-headed magnanimous post above. Keep on keeping on, Happy.

Thanks. That means a surprising amount right now. Today I have been very much not enjoying this position.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I just don't think it's something to joke about or toss around lightly. Regardless of intent.

So report it. If you believe I'm biased and power mad than it's worth reporting. A misbehaving moderator is no small thing. If my actions aren't just then send word down the line so Petra, Anders and the moderator squad can hold me accountable if they believe that's warranted. I have no problem with that. If you're right, and what I did was step over the line, put the call in. I'm more than willing to be held accountable for my actions and be judged on them.

I would not dream of disturbing Petra with this issue. I'm sure (god, I hope) she has much more important shit to deal with.

It's her job. Petra does get paid for this. There is Anders as well. I don't feel I'm out of line, but if I am than they should be made aware and deal with me accordingly. If I've crossed over to the Dark Side I'm sure they can find the time to deal with that.

 

[kaladrew]

I'm not going to post real names because of psychos. Just asking what would you do? simple question.

As far as being banned, Petra has edited a couple of my postings in the past because I had proof a glamor model Crystal Marie Moore had done hardcore yet she wrote: "Crystal is a centerfold model. Please keep this discussion as such" which was NOT true.

So, I dont know what the actual rules for mods are.

 

[Mr_Stiffy]

As far as being banned, Petra has edited a couple of my postings in the past because I had proof a glamor model Crystal Marie Moore had done hardcore yet she wrote: "Crystal is a centerfold model. Please keep this discussion as such" which was NOT true.

So, I dont know what the actual rules for mods are.

I don't know the model in question, but if there was content out there not in the widely-public domain that a model had gone out of their way to bury and keep out of the public eye, it might be deemed inappropriate to draw it to people's attention. The forum has implications in respect to a trail of where information can get to, and I know of at least one example when a poster put up (unintentionally) misinformation about a pornstar doing escort work. She actually joined the forum to correct that misinformation, and the question is whether or not she discovered the post herself or had a friend or fan tell her what had been said. The idea of someone going up to a model and saying "Say, I saw on FreeOnes that you used to do hardcore/that you escort/your kids are real cute on your Facebook page" when it's something she doesn't want made public - or in the previous example, wasn't even true - is not a pleasant one.

"Do what Petra says" is the best rule to adhere to, I think, and woe betide you for ignoring it.


P.S. I'm not entirely sure I'd have named the model in question again re : your proof she had done hardcore, since you've had it pointed out once that's a no-go area....

 

[HehehehehehehehehehahaHyena]

^^ And as I said before, my objection does not stem from the seriousness or the intent of the joke. I did not think M12 was going to be banned. My objection was that a moderator was discussing/joking with another member about banning. It used to be a bannable offense to even talk about banning (obviously that ship has sailed now).

I just don't think it's something to joke about or toss around lightly. Regardless of intent.

I would not dream of disturbing Petra with this issue. I'm sure (god, I hope) she has much more important shit to deal with.

"God" takes a capital "G".

 

[Ace Bandage]

"God" takes a capital "G".

Yes, I'm aware, but I choose not to do so. And this isn't formal writing. So if I don't capitalize the first letter of a god I don't even believe in, that's my prerogative.

I'm also okay with ending a sentence in a preposition (in certain circumstances) and splitting infinitives. Fuck off, Lowth.

 

[Petra]

I'm not going to post real names because of psychos. Just asking what would you do? simple question.

As far as being banned, Petra has edited a couple of my postings in the past because I had proof a glamor model Crystal Marie Moore had done hardcore yet she wrote: "Crystal is a centerfold model. Please keep this discussion as such" which was NOT true.

So, I dont know what the actual rules for mods are.

The best rule of thumb is if you had to dig and string the info together like a gumshoe, then it's info best left off FreeOnes. If you go to the model's page on Wikipedia and it says it (like Bree Olson or Stormy Daniels real names) then shout it to the mountains.

 

[288gto]

i have some, but wont do anything, it's their privacy, just enjoy their work, that's enough

 

[Petra]

Also....

Today, people are IGNORANT when it comes to the internet and keeping their identity/privacy safe. I'm not even talking models...I'm just talking people in general. People put personal stuff on their social networking, use real names, sext, and do other stupid shit that you wouldn't want your mother, priest, or employer to find out about. However, it's pretty safe for me to say most normal people don't realize that what they're doing could compromise their privacy...

So yea, the information is out there and if you dig around you can put it all together due to people's ignorance. However, what it comes down to is ethics. Just because you know something about another person doesn't mean you have to be a creepy ass douche canoe and post it for the rest of the world to see. What purpose does it really serve? So you can be known as "the man" on a porn forum and get virtual pats on the back that really mean nothing in the grand scheme of things except possibly put you in legal trouble?? (law enforcement DOES approach forum owners in cyber stalking cases)

In a nutshell...think about what you put out there and if you'd want someone to post it about you.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Petra is actually a morbidly obese, 35 year old man from Idaho named Heywood Jablowme

There. I've outed "her."