What has Happened to the Republican Party?

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
You have true and viable candidates like Jon Huntsman falling by the wayside and a totally-disconnected Mitt Romney leading the pack. What the fuck does this party stand for...decadent extravagance? That's the only thing I can think of! Read this:

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Mitt Romney said Tuesday that the $374,327.62 he earned for speaking engagements between February 2010 and February 2011 was "not very much" money.

The comment could be added to a growing list of gaffes that threaten to paint the millionaire politician as out of touch with middle-class voters embroiled in a tough economic cycle.

"I got a little bit of income from my book, but I gave that all away. Then, I get speakers fees from time to time, but not very much," Romney said, according to multiple reports.

Romney's statement came on the tail end of another potentially explosive remark in which the former Massachusetts governor admitted that he has effectively paid a 15% tax rate on his personal income.

Romney stumbled at a debate in December when he made a bizarre $10,000 bet with Rick Perry about a detail in his book No Apology.

Questions about Romney's personal finances reemerged Monday night when Perry challenged Romney's decision to withhold his tax returns. Romney said he would likely release his tax returns in April.

Though Romney has a strong lead in the GOP primary race, his recent gaffes could be used against him by Barack Obama's campaign and other Democratic attack organizations that hope to characterize the former governor as a Wall Street millionaire unable to relate to the financial difficulties incurred by average American voters.

Link is here:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11378629/1/mitt-romney-thinks-374k-not-very-much.html

The alternatives to Romney aren't any better. Rick Perry displays his absolute ignorance by making these remarks last night at the republican debate:

Rick Perry drew a fiery rebuke from the Turkish government Tuesday after suggesting at a presidential debate that the country is run by Islamic terrorists and questioning its NATO membership.

As the Texas governor stood by his remarks, the U.S. State Department distanced the Obama administration from the comments. Turkey's Ministry of Foreign Affairs decried the comments as "unfounded and inappropriate."

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner described Turkey as a "stalwart ally" and said "we absolutely and fundamentally disagree" with Perry's comment on the country being run by Islamic terrorists.

At the debate, Perry was asked whether Turkey still belongs in NATO.

"Obviously, when you have a country that is being ruled by what many would perceive to be Islamic terrorists, when you start seeing that type of activity against their own citizens, then yes -- not only is it time for us to have a conversation about whether or not they belong to be in NATO, but it's time for the United States, when we look at their foreign aid, to go to zero with it," he said.

The exchange at Monday night's Fox News debate in South Carolina, while drawing condemnation from several corners, nevertheless brought to the fore some disturbing trends inside Turkey. Though there are indications Turkey has started to return to the Western orbit after flirting with Iran, the Islamist-leaning government has presided over a troubling record.

In the realm of press freedom, the country now ranks close to Russia, according to Reporters Without Borders. Dozens of journalists have been arrested this year, and thousands of websites have been blocked.

Turkey last fall expelled Israel's ambassador, following tensions over the deadly Gaza flotilla incident in 2010 in which Turkish nationals were killed in a confrontation with Israeli soldiers.

Meanwhile, Turkish officials recently met with a Hamas leader as part of talks reportedly aimed at reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah in the Palestinian territories.

Violence against women in the country has received considerable attention. According to one official report, the murder rate of women rose 1,400 percent from 2002 to 2009. And the country's internal affairs are dizzying, as a top former Army official was arrested earlier this month amid allegations of trying to topple the government -- allegations the official, Ilker Basbug, reportedly denies.

Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, wrote in a recent essay that the Turkish government has "neutered domestic checks and balances" since 2002, a "consolidation of power" that could have consequences for its relationship with the U.S. He noted that Turkish officials have demonized Western nations, and polls show the Turkish people mostly do not view the U.S. favorably.

Even so, Cagaptay said in an interview with FoxNews.com, Perry's comments were "far-fetched."

"Are there problems with Turkey's democracy? Yes," he said. But he described Perry's debate comments as inaccurate or overstated on several fronts.

First, Turkey does not receive U.S. foreign aid. "Some time in the 1980s it was phased out, so this is not your mother's Turkey," he said.

And he said the Islamic terrorist claim was "highly exaggerated."

"Those individuals who are candidates for positions requiring responsibility such as the U.S. presidency are expected to be more knowledgeable on global affairs and more careful in their statements," the ministry said in a statement. "Turkey became a member of NATO when the governor was just 2 years old. ... The U.S. has no time to lose with such candidates who do not even know America's allies."

As for the questions about Turkey's NATO membership, Cagaptay noted that Turkey has been aligned with the West regarding the protests in Syria and has agreed to host part of the NATO missile shield.

"I think that's a very serious commitment shown to the organization," he said, adding that the Arab Spring and the security threats it poses to the region might serve to bring Turkey closer to the West and NATO.

Perry stood by his comments on Tuesday.

"When you see the number of actions against your citizens that we would consider to be terrorist acts, I stand by my statement," Perry said. "You need to be putting protections in place for your citizens if you're seeing those types of attacks against, particularly, well, particularly females. That is particularly heinous from my perspective."

Campaign spokesman Ray Sullivan echoed the candidate's remarks.

"The debate question was specifically about the increased Islamist influence in Turkey, violence against civilian women in Turkey and association with Hamas," Sullivan said in a written statement. "Turkey can be a valuable ally, but the actions of the current government undermine that country's role in an organization like NATO. We need to send the message to Turkey that internal violence, association with terrorist groups and radical Islamist influence are inconsistent with being a NATO ally and positive player in world affairs."

Of the five remaining candidates in the GOP presidential race, Perry is polling last in most South Carolina polls.

Link here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/17/perry-draws-turkey-rebuke-over-debate-comments/

And these guys want to be president? What a fucking joke....:1orglaugh It's enough to make a guy like Newt Gingrich actually look legitimate!! :eek:

I, for one, would love to have a true and bonafide alternative to Obama....but these clowns aren't even close. How can anyone get behind these candidates??? I mean....really....it's pathetic!! The republican party is in ruins from my perspective....the inmates are truly in charge of the asylum. :facepalm:
 

Mayhem

Banned
I've been saying this for years. The Republican Party died with Ronald Reagan. I wish, I wish, oh how I wish that Reagans ghost would walk up to these uber-twats and bitch slap 'em for ruining his party, starting the second he left office.

Anyone who thinks I'm a lefty, think again. I stayed with the Repubs up until Hurricane Katrina, although there was no small amount of self-questioning and denial leading up to it. If nothing else, this Primary season has shown me how incredibly correct I was for abandoning a sinking ship.
 
oh didn't you hear? republican party is now synonymous with radical right wing religious zealot party...the more out of touch with reality the better! which is sad because i like what moderate republicans typically stand for, they just never get any real support it seems
 
I've been saying this for years. The Republican Party died with Ronald Reagan. I wish, I wish, oh how I wish that Reagans ghost would walk up to these uber-twats and bitch slap 'em for ruining his party, starting the second he left office.

Anyone who thinks I'm a lefty, think again. I stayed with the Repubs up until Hurricane Katrina, although there was no small amount of self-questioning and denial leading up to it. If nothing else, this Primary season has shown me how incredibly correct I was for abandoning a sinking ship.

I'm not a huge fan of Bush but I'd choose him over any of the current GOP presidential candidates. Compared to the current candidates, Bush is a reasonable Republican that you can at least work with, he's a compassionate conservative and I don't think anyone would ever describe him as a hardcore right-winger
 

Mayhem

Banned
I'm not a huge fan of Bush but I'd choose him over any of the current GOP presidential candidates. Compared to the current candidates, Bush is a reasonable Republican that you can at least work with, he's a compassionate conservative and I don't think anyone would ever describe him as a hardcore right-winger

I have no idea where you get that view, but he's gone forever so I'm not going to get into a debate about him. He is the primary reason I am no longer a Republican. His dad isn't the second place reason, but he is in the top 5.
 

StanScratch

My Penis Is Dancing!
Do you want to know the largest problem with the Republican party right now? In all seriousness, look at someone like Sam Fisher. He epitomizes the talking points, the far out there wingers who may not have taken over the party, but speak the loudest. Sam is the vote Mitt is going after right now. Sam is the loudest voice of the party. Sam is symbolic of their leadership. If you don't think that is fucked up, then good luck to you.
Romney is an absolute disaster. Had he actually kept to his very core values, he may have had a chance. But, he flip flopped so many times to capture the votes of those fringe lunatics with short attention spans, that he has sold his soul for those votes. And while they might help him capture the nomination, I do not think the "undecided voter" will be so easy to fool.
And it IS rather remarkable that he is the sanest of the left over group. Frankly, they are all idiots, he just seems to be the lesser of the idiots.
 

PirateKing

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If he can make that much from a speaking fee, more power to him and God bless America! Good for him. Bill Clinton has made over $70 million in speaking fees since leaving office. Good for him too!
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
If he can make that much from a speaking fee, more power to him and God bless America! Good for him. Bill Clinton has made over $70 million in speaking fees since leaving office. Good for him too!

:facepalm: That's not the point. It's Romney's assertion that $375,000 "isn't that much" that illustrates how out of touch this dude is with mainstream America....unless, of course, you happen to agree with him....in which case you are as out of touch as he is.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
:facepalm: That's not the point. It's Romney's assertion that $375,000 "isn't that much" that illustrates how out of touch this dude is with mainstream America....unless, of course, you happen to agree with him....in which case you are as out of touch as he is.

In his world, $375K over the course of a year isn't that much. Just like that $10K bet he made with Perry was chump change. I bet if you cracked open Romney's wallet, you'd be hard pressed to find anything in there smaller than a $100. And if you want to see an Amex Black card, Mitt might show you his (I've never see one). I'm not jealous of the man for his success. But it is delusional to think that a private equity manager could effectively represent all, or even most of the American people. The simple fact that he is SO hesitant to release his tax returns says that even he knows that the system is upside down. The guys & dolls at Fox News can yammer on about the job cree-A-toors all they want (as the Club for Growth feeds them skewed data). But people need to have a clear understanding about what private equity firms are... the good and the bad side. And once they have ALL the information, if middle class voters (lower, middle and upper middle class) are cool with that, then by all means, vote for the dude. Just don't be surprised when he spends most of his time taking care of those most like himself... and that ain't middle class.

No bread? Let the bastards eat cake!
 
:facepalm: That's not the point. It's Romney's assertion that $375,000 "isn't that much" that illustrates how out of touch this dude is with mainstream America....unless, of course, you happen to agree with him....in which case you are as out of touch as he is.

I'm not envious of him because he's wealthy,good for him that he's been successful in business. I have a problem when he tries to bullshit us into thinking he's a just like the rest of us who have to work everyday for that paycheck. Why can't he just admit that he's a very wealthy man? stop trying to act like you can relate to us.
 

StanScratch

My Penis Is Dancing!
In his world, $375K over the course of a year isn't that much. Just like that $10K bet he made with Perry was chump change. I bet if you cracked open Romney's wallet, you'd be hard pressed to find anything in there smaller than a $100. And if you want to see an Amex Black card, Mitt might show you his (I've never see one). I'm not jealous of the man for his success. But it is delusional to think that a private equity manager could effectively represent all, or even most of the American people. The simple fact that he is SO hesitant to release his tax returns says that even he knows that the system is upside down. The guys & dolls at Fox News can yammer on about the job cree-A-toors all they want (as the Club for Growth feeds them skewed data). But people need to have a clear understanding about what private equity firms are... the good and the bad side. And once they have ALL the information, if middle class voters (lower, middle and upper middle class) are cool with that, then by all means, vote for the dude. Just don't be surprised when he spends most of his time taking care of those most like himself... and that ain't middle class.

No bread? Let the bastards eat cake!


I would be hard pressed to believe that he has any sorts of bills in his pockets, period. One word: Plastic.
And if he suddenly would have a need for cash, one of his aides would foot the bill.
 
oh didn't you hear? republican party is now synonymous with radical right wing religious zealot party...the more out of touch with reality the better! which is sad because i like what moderate republicans typically stand for, they just never get any real support it seems

They now call any moderate a RINO.
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
What has happened to the Republican Party? The basic ideas of governess has been lost into a hodge podge of social values and rhetoric. Pointing out examples of this from both the left and the right are fruitless. But to answer the question, the FAR right pushes agendas contradictory to the basic values of personal freedom and limited government.
 
I find no value or worth in any of the canidates or the sitting President we have. As has been stated before they are out of touch and couldnt tell you how much a gallon for gas or a gallon of milk cost.

They all run in their own circles and rarely if ever interact with people that are not of their class status.

Republican or Democrate it doesnt matter I hold contempt for them all.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
What has happened to the Republican Party? The basic ideas of governess has been lost into a hodge podge of social values and rhetoric. Pointing out examples of this from both the left and the right are fruitless. But to answer the question, the FAR right pushes agendas contradictory to the basic values of personal freedom and limited government.

:goodpost: :clap:
 
What has happened to the Republican Party? The basic ideas of governess has been lost into a hodge podge of social values and rhetoric. Pointing out examples of this from both the left and the right are fruitless. But to answer the question, the FAR right pushes agendas contradictory to the basic values of personal freedom and limited government.

I would have agreed w that a couple years ago, but now you have to add a basic contempt for science and reason that has infiltrated their thinking. Evidence doesn't matter to them anymore. Folks like Goldwater, jack kemp, pres ford and pres reagan are turning over in their graves.
 
I have no idea where you get that view, but he's gone forever so I'm not going to get into a debate about him. He is the primary reason I am no longer a Republican. His dad isn't the second place reason, but he is in the top 5.

Some of the stances these candidates take are a far cry from the compassionate conservatism of George Bush. Compared to the candidates, Bush is a moderate. The party has effectively distanced itself from Bush’s policies in just three short years by tacking to the right, which in many cases involved outright rejecting Bush era policy solutions. He would have a hard time getting elected in today's Republican party. Bush's domestic agenda mostly consisted of liberal social policy initiatives and tax cuts. He was for comprehensive immigration reform. Today the GOP's answer to immigration is to simply build a fence. Both NO Child Left Behind and the prescription drug bill were Democratic ideas. NCLB was a massive federal takeover of the education system, something today's GOP wouldn't stand for with their call for smaller government. And Sarbanes-Oxley and McCain-Feingold were bills doing basically progressive things.
 
Some of the stances these candidates take are a far cry from the compassionate conservatism of George Bush. Compared to the candidates, Bush is a moderate. The party has effectively distanced itself from Bush’s policies in just three short years by tacking to the right, which in many cases involved outright rejecting Bush era policy solutions. He would have a hard time getting elected in today's Republican party. Bush's domestic agenda mostly consisted of liberal social policy initiatives and tax cuts. He was for comprehensive immigration reform. Today the GOP's answer to immigration is to simply build a fence. Both NO Child Left Behind and the prescription drug bill were Democratic ideas. NCLB was a massive federal takeover of the education system, something today's GOP wouldn't stand for with their call for smaller government. And Sarbanes-Oxley and McCain-Feingold were bills doing basically progressive things.
McCain is no conservative. RINO indeed. A complete elitist fraud that fuck is. I hate him more than anyone in the democratic party for some of his shit (McCain-Kennedy comes to mind firstly).
 
McCain is no conservative. RINO indeed. A complete elitist fraud that fuck is. I hate him more than anyone in the democratic party for some of his shit (McCain-Kennedy comes to mind firstly).

It has been strange to me how jack wads who usually don't know what they are talking about like to use the term "RINO" to describe republican elected officials that are patriots and have done a million times more for their country and a hundred thousand times more more for the republican party than these pathetic nay Sayers.
 
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