What exactly is "sex"?
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But here’s the hard part: what about lesbians? When (if ever) can you say that two women have had sex? Just about anything that two women can do together is something that you wouldn’t consider sex if a man and a woman did it. (A possible exception is strap-ons – which raises another interesting question: what if a woman uses a strap-on to ass-fuck a man? Is that sex?). I hear that, when sodomy laws were passed in England, Queen Victoria didn’t think it was necessary to prohibit women from having sex with each other because she believed it was not physically possible. Perhaps she was right. But a lot of people do talk about women having sex with each other, so, Queen Victoria notwithstanding, I think you need another definition for that case.
She's reported to have told a friend when she learned she was headed to the white house as an intern "I'm bringing my presidential knee pads".:nanner: So yeah I guess she had experience.
This question of what is sex is opinion of course.To me it means penetration by a man on a woman.The rest I just call "sex acts".
Why don't you ask a guy who's served time in prison. I'm sure he'll tell ya.
There are too many different varieties of sex to just say that Vaginal intercourse is the only real sex! :1orglaugh
I think that really sex is more of a mental thing, i'm a lesbian but I think that what I do with my Fiancee is sex even if the dictionary says i'm a virgin!! lol
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I think that really sex is more of a mental thing, i'm a lesbian but I think that what I do with my Fiancee is sex even if the dictionary says i'm a virgin!! lol
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Hmm...well, we don't know exactly what you do with your Fiancee...I'm sure a lot of readers would love to hear the details :1orglaugh
Anyhow, the prevailing opinion in this thread seems to be that, in a heterosexual context, vaginal and anal intercourse both count but nothing else does. The definition has to be a little different for lesbians, unless one is going to agree with Queen Victoria that lesbian sex is impossible.
I dont think it would be very exciting to youu porn addicts. :tongue: We dont fuck, we make love!
Well... usually anyway... :updown:
Exactly hehehe :rofl:
So I think for us its more of a mental thing. We're only capable of what most straight people would think of as foreplay. But if its done slowly and if its romantic and very intimate, then to us it really is sex or making love and not just fooling around. :lovecoupl
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Well... usually anyway... :updown:
Exactly hehehe :rofl:
So I think for us its more of a mental thing. We're only capable of what most straight people would think of as foreplay. But if its done slowly and if its romantic and very intimate, then to us it really is sex or making love and not just fooling around. :lovecoupl
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agreed also I should add sex is at the end after you fucked her in the pink and in the stink (just to quote the movie "shocker"), it can also include throatfucking the girl till you blow a huge load in her throat or facializing her with a money shot as a "thank you" reward.
I think the thread needs a bump, given that there's probably been some turnover among the people who frequent Freeones, and I'd like to hear what the recent cohorts have to say. Also I have some new questions about lesbians.
This is where I think the consensus is (and I agree):
1. It depends on the sex of the parties involved.
2. If one of them is male, then vaginal or anal is sex, and nothing else is, except maybe very deep oral (deep enough to be considered throat penetration rather than just sucking).
3. If neither party is male, then oral sex counts as sex. (I don't think the issue has come up, but presumably strap-on sex also counts.)
But 3 needs to be explored some more: If a girl penetrates another girl's vagina with a dildo, is that sex or is that just a hand job? And what if she just uses her fingers to penetrate the other girl's vagina? And what if one girl just uses a toy on the other's clit but doesn't penetrate? Or just uses her hand without penetrating? (Is there any fundamental difference between using her hand, her tongue, or a toy for non-penetrative sex, and since the consensus seems to be that the tongue counts for lesbians, then why not just fingers or a toy?)
And another question about when one or both parties are male: does between-the-thighs sex count? And does that depend on whether both are male?
Also, is "sex" the same as "fucking"? For men presumably it is: anal or vaginal counts, but not oral unless it is very deep. For g/g I'm not sure. Can a girl who has had non-penetrative sex with another girl truthfully say, "I fucked her" (even if you consider the act to be "sex")?
This is where I think the consensus is (and I agree):
1. It depends on the sex of the parties involved.
2. If one of them is male, then vaginal or anal is sex, and nothing else is, except maybe very deep oral (deep enough to be considered throat penetration rather than just sucking).
3. If neither party is male, then oral sex counts as sex. (I don't think the issue has come up, but presumably strap-on sex also counts.)
But 3 needs to be explored some more: If a girl penetrates another girl's vagina with a dildo, is that sex or is that just a hand job? And what if she just uses her fingers to penetrate the other girl's vagina? And what if one girl just uses a toy on the other's clit but doesn't penetrate? Or just uses her hand without penetrating? (Is there any fundamental difference between using her hand, her tongue, or a toy for non-penetrative sex, and since the consensus seems to be that the tongue counts for lesbians, then why not just fingers or a toy?)
And another question about when one or both parties are male: does between-the-thighs sex count? And does that depend on whether both are male?
Also, is "sex" the same as "fucking"? For men presumably it is: anal or vaginal counts, but not oral unless it is very deep. For g/g I'm not sure. Can a girl who has had non-penetrative sex with another girl truthfully say, "I fucked her" (even if you consider the act to be "sex")?
OK, this pisses me off. I made (about 4 posts back, at the top of page 4, I think) a reference by first name and the title to a certain well-remembered royal who was the Queen of Great Britain and Ireland (as well as Empress of India, Princess of Hanover, Duchess of Brunswick and Lunenburg, Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and Duchess in Saxony) from 1837 to 1901. It should be possible to determine from context that the reference was specifically to that person and not to someone else of the same name, since it referred to her opinion (now widely considered absurd) that it is impossible for two women to have sex with each other. But since there is today apparently a babe of the same name, Freeones converted my reference to "Vicca AKA Queen Victoria" who I'm fairly sure does not agree with the rather quaint opinion of her namesake.
(And I see it has made the same conversion in the paragraph just above, which makes it sound strange. Just bear in mind that "Vicca AKA" originally only occurred once. And if I say "Vicca AKA Vicca AKA Queen Victoria" it will undoubtedly repeat the "Vicca AKA" part yet another time. We could go into infinite recursion.)
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Personally, when I talk about sex or hear about sex, I automatically assume that somebody is refering to "penis insertion". But, to be technical about it, there is also ORAL sex, which complicates things. It's a whole mess, but I usually consider sex (when talking about it) to be "penis insertion". At the same time, there are other forms of sex, but I think that most people just assume those "don't count".
Simple ...
Sex is what people focus too much on defining and, even worse, gossiping about instead of actually enjoying intimacy.
No?
Sex is what people focus too much on defining and, even worse, gossiping about instead of actually enjoying intimacy.
No?
What if she comes and you don't?
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
Still sex.....I should have said "someone cums",but I was trying to make sure I included "self service"
Still sex.....I should have said "someone cums",but I was trying to make sure I included "self service"
But wait a minute. Are you saying that if you fuck a girl (vaginal intercourse) for say 15 minutes and they you just get tired and quit without either of you having an orgasm, that that wasn't sex?
The word sex is used to distinguish male and female (gender should only be used to descibe nouns) and it makes no sense to talk about "gay sex" as one of the essential components isn't there, any more than you can talk about a mixture of water-a mixture demands at least two ingredients!
Plants can be propagated sexually,by pollination (male) of female gametes, or asexual by taking cuttings.Again, sex requires both parties to qualify.Gay or lesbian "sex" is a contradiction in terms.
I don't believe sex has to go to completion to qualify, but there does have to be both a male and female input.
Plants can be propagated sexually,by pollination (male) of female gametes, or asexual by taking cuttings.Again, sex requires both parties to qualify.Gay or lesbian "sex" is a contradiction in terms.
I don't believe sex has to go to completion to qualify, but there does have to be both a male and female input.
We've been through this before (see page 1 of the thread), but let's try it again from a different angle. Like most English words, the word "sex" has several senses. If you look it up in the dictionary, you'll see a "1" and a "2" and a "3". (I'm not sure exactly 3 total, but you get the idea.) One sense of the word "sex" is "sexual intercourse." What makes sexual intercourse "sexual" is not the presence of the sexes but the involvement of the sexual organs. One might debate whether the sexual organs of both parties must be involved, in which case anal and oral sex as such would normally not count but "butterfly" sex between two women would count, and it is unclear whether mutual simultaneous oral sex (the 69 position) would count.
But in English, for which there is no official institution to determine the meanings of words, words mean whatever people use them to mean. One may in certain cases argue that one definition is less useful than another and therefore should be discarded or discouraged, but it doesn't seem to me that you have made such an argument convincingly with respect to the word "sex." While there is also a case to be made for keeping an eye on etymology, I would say that the word "sex" has moved far beyond the stage where it can be forced into an etymological meaning.
In any case, the main point of this thread was not so much to ascertain what "sex" should mean as to find out what it actually does mean to people that use it.
Yeah, really. What if only one person has an orgasm? Does that mean that only one of those people were having sex, even though they were both doing the same exact thing?
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
No,but I thought that was obvious.
