What Everyone Is Too Polite to Say About Steve Jobs
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Considering that these have been publicly known things for some time and have been stated by numerous reputable sources and the validity of them isn't being disputed by anybody, even people that like Jobs, it's not like all the bad things that were stated about Jobs and Apple are being made up here.
As far as anybody else doing it, they might be, but condoning the acts of one person or group because other people do it is akin to trying to say that two wrongs make a right which they don't.
Jobs was basically a very VERY good marketing person, and often a ruthless businessman. (Of course “righteous successful businessman” is an almost oxymoronic statement considering they pretty much don't exist just like “ruthless“ or “unethical businessman” is almost a redundant statement.) His technical knowhow wasn't that great. We wasn't a great engineer or software developer at any time in his career, though he didn't mind taking credit for other's work. His broad ideas were often overrated. He didn't really develop computers or anything else, others he worked for did. He basically told others what to do and got the glory for it. I personally even think most of Apples more recent products have been overrated and not worth the premium cost they often have compared to their utility. They have been held together by brand name recognition, it's clique base of fans that want to seem cool and don't know any better, and some of the best marketing in recent history, not the products actual quality.
I don't know about others but when a person's good qualities amount to being good at marketing, which might be one of the lowest forms of legal profession on the planet right next to used car salesman, politician, and shady lawyer, and a CEO who made some shareholders a lot of money I don't really consider that a great benefit to humanity at all. It doesn't make up for running one of the biggest sweatshops on the planet by proxy, and literally destroying the livelihoods of people both personally and through his company.
Somebody making a lot of money for themselves and some others isn't a good standard to judge the worth of a person.
No, his good qualities don’t begin to make up for the harm he has done to people. The only way to think so would be to value material goods at any cost, cash, and shiny toys more than the well being of other people. Some of the bad things he did weren't just minor blips on the radar.
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I see Jobs as a visionary, much like Henry Ford. Neither invented the respective products that made them famous (computers and cars), but both refined them for public consumption. Ford developed and refined mass production of automobiles, and Jobs developed and refined the graphical interface that made personal computers something other than just toys for geeks.
And much like Henry Ford, apparently Steve Jobs had a mean streak too. I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have wanted to work for Henry Ford and I doubt I would have wanted to work for Steve Jobs either. But humans have this trait of wanting to drag down those who accomplish things SO far above what the average person could ever accomplish. And it's not just because those people are smarter than us; their success can often be linked to the fact that they don't ever give up. Most of us just do what we do to make a living. While they live to make something better, faster, cheaper, lighter or whatever.
Guys like Ford and Steve Jobs have balls... BIG ONES. While other people would have probably given up with one big failure, Jobs never gave up. He came back stronger than ever (with Pixar and then Apple). But was he a nice fellow? The fuck if I know. Who cares? So he hurt some junior engineer's feelings. :dunno: A mean ass VP I used to know once said, "This hunt is for the big dogs. The best place for whiney pups is up on the porch."
But you know who IS a nice guy? Ronald Wayne. I hear he's a genuine sweetheart. Who is he? He's the guy that would be worth about $35 billion dollars right now... if he hadn't pussied out and sold his 10% stake in Apple after a few weeks. By his own admission, he got cold feet. And that wasn't the only time. He said he got cold feet on four or five other occasions... and they turned into big winners too. But Ron is a nice guy, or so I've read. And Ron is probably more like most of us... while people like Jobs and Ford breath rarefied air. And we take any and every opportunity to run them down, because we feel like we need to bring them down a few notches... at least a little closer to our level.
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Jobs started with a couple thousand dollars to make Apple the most successful business on the planet. I give anyone credit for that. Just like Sam Walton who started on his own merit, that is inspirational to me at least since I have a small start-up business myself. A lot of people here are posting some interesting stuff about him that make me dislike him a tad, but I can't hate on someone who "gambles" and busts their ass off and takes it to those heights.
Here is an interesting article on 17 Uncommon Traits of Billionaires. Shit is inspirational to me. I give credit where it's due.
Here is an interesting article on 17 Uncommon Traits of Billionaires. Shit is inspirational to me. I give credit where it's due.
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I'll be the first to abolish child labor in China. Lets Assassinate the Chinese president and bring down Communism once and for all!! Strike the snake at it's head.. Hu's with me?
Fuck that. What might be considered "sweat shop" working conditions here, may not be thought of sweat shops over there. Fuck 'em. If they want to protest those conditions let 'em. Ain't none of my business and, why should we stick our nose in some other country's affairs. Haven't we wasted enough lives, money, and time in the middle east these past ten years doing just that?
Again, fuck 'em over there in China. I don't give a fuck if they work 23 hours a day. Not my problem.
hahaha true dat. if they don't wanna work for cheap, India will :1orglaugh I'm just glad it's not the other way around, as I'd rather be master than slave... and it will pretty much stay that way unless China can defeat communism. but I don't see that ever happening :1orglaugh
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Cultural relativism, FTW!
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