What Does Your Desktop Look Like?

What Operating System Do You Use?

  • Windows XP

    Votes: 14 25.0%
  • Windows Vista

    Votes: 10 17.9%
  • Linux

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Windows 7

    Votes: 18 32.1%
  • Mac OSX

    Votes: 7 12.5%

  • Total voters
    56
I'm donning the blue Fedora here ...

Yes it is .... Ubuntu, people. Take the plunge. One simpe drive partition and a little experimentation and you are free - FREE! - I say from Evil Bill's Evil OS
It's not Evil Bill's OS, it's Stupid Bill's OS. So many poor decisions. Apple has made its share too (yes, from a security standpoint, they have their faults too).

As far as Vista v. 7, they are the same OS. They just changed a few things in the latter, largely for system builders so they could build it with less bloat and better for SSDs. Otherwise, it's the exact same OS, exact same system requirements, etc... Most people haven't noticed the latter, because Vista came out when most PC's still shipped with single core and had half the memory.

I'm donning the blue Fedora here. I rotate in different pictures as backgrounds as well.
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
Re: I'm donning the blue Fedora here ...

It's not Evil Bill's OS, it's Stupid Bill's OS. So many poor decisions. Apple has made its share too (yes, from a security standpoint, they have their faults too).

As far as Vista v. 7, they are the same OS. They just changed a few things in the latter, largely for system builders so they could build it with less bloat and better for SSDs. Otherwise, it's the exact same OS, exact same system requirements, etc... Most people haven't noticed the latter, because Vista came out when most PC's still shipped with single core and had half the memory.

I'm donning the blue Fedora here. I rotate in different pictures as backgrounds as well.

These are all points - and, yes, Apple has made some boo-boos too, though mostly as a consequence - IMO - of trying to do too much and spread themselves too thin in terms of their competition for the mass market. I still think Apple's architecture is very very sound (new iPad on the way ... hehe)

Honestly, for your average user (by that, I suppose the closest parallel is your average driver - they use their car every day, know what they like, can use it's operational features, but have no idea or interest about what's under the hood) a Microsoft OS is perfectly fine, and the real 'competition, between PC and Mac is about accessibility and simple user preference.

I just like anything that undermines Evil/Stupid Bill's stranglehold on OS's .. I also like things that are genuinely free, produced by users for users.

:D
 
It's not Evil Bill's OS, it's Stupid Bill's OS. So many poor decisions. Apple has made its share too (yes, from a security standpoint, they have their faults too).

As far as Vista v. 7, they are the same OS. They just changed a few things in the latter, largely for system builders so they could build it with less bloat and better for SSDs. Otherwise, it's the exact same OS, exact same system requirements, etc... Most people haven't noticed the latter, because Vista came out when most PC's still shipped with single core and had half the memory.

I'm donning the blue Fedora here. I rotate in different pictures as backgrounds as well.

You're pretty much right on the 7 vs. Vista standpoint except for a few things. 7 fixed all the annoying/stupid shit from Vista and is much more reliable/self-sufficient/user friendly than Vista. Plus 7 has more reliable security improvements.


Aww...:( Download and install Comodo Anti-virus. (It's free/awesome/you'll never get that screen again!) :D
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
You're pretty much right on the 7 vs. Vista standpoint except for a few things. 7 fixed all the annoying/stupid shit from Vista and is much more reliable/self-sufficient/user friendly than Vista. Plus 7 has more reliable security improvements.



Aww...:( Download and install Comodo Anti-virus. (It's free/awesome/you'll never get that screen again!) :D

Comodo is freaking excellent .. or AVG
 
You're pretty much right on the 7 vs. Vista standpoint except for a few things. 7 fixed all the annoying/stupid shit from Vista and is much more reliable/self-sufficient/user friendly than Vista. Plus 7 has more reliable security improvements.
NT 6 is NT 6 and the core NT 6 security model is still completely broken. It's better than XP and earlier, but had Microsoft itself actually adopted its own Win32 security model in its own applications (completely the fault of Bill's own decisions himself on Windows 95 and Internet Explorer), you wouldn't have UAC at all. Users should never run with any privilege except to the local I/O devices on the system they login to. The fact that UAC is "more friendly" and has "more tweaks" on Windows 7 over Vista just means they improved the "false sense of security." ;)

Apple also gets that incorrect as well, although has a few other facilities to help.

So many consumer devices have completely shown how easy it is to do with such with Linux. The only thing holding Linux back is a consumer avenue, other than Google. Distribution and partnerships are the problem, not the OS and its capabilities (including user interface, which has been completely there for 5+ years -- and hundreds of millions of people use Linux products without knowing it). No one has any issues with a pre-installed Linux except when adding cheap peripherals from a store that sells hardware with time-limited drivers (in other words, force upgrades of hardware-software after a few years), but that plagues Apples in many cases as well. Same deal on the most popular software titles, there are several where Linux is a significant portion of a billion dollar application market for the vendor. MS Office, on-the-other-hand, doesn't run well on Apple, and has regular, missing functionality and compatibility (home users don't notice it much, but it plagues businesses) because the codebase is completely different.

Today the Internet is basically a botnet with 25-33% of all Windows systems infected. When something finally happens, it's going to be a total mess. Because even when Windows isn't being utilized, Windows is still on the same networks as those that are not Windows. When those networks are critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter what OS is on them if Windows is there too.

It's security has nothing to do with popularity. It has to do with basic design, something that cannot be corrected out of compatibility. Not my words, but those of a short-lived head of security at Microsoft back when Vista was nearing release. No version of Windows was ever designed for public networks ... no version ever.
 
NT 6 is NT 6 and the core NT 6 security model is still completely broken. It's better than XP and earlier, but had Microsoft itself actually adopted its own Win32 security model in its own applications (completely the fault of Bill's own decisions himself on Windows 95 and Internet Explorer), you wouldn't have UAC at all. Users should never run with any privilege except to the local I/O devices on the system they login to. The fact that UAC is "more friendly" and has "more tweaks" on Windows 7 over Vista just means they improved the "false sense of security." ;)

Apple also gets that incorrect as well, although has a few other facilities to help.

So many consumer devices have completely shown how easy it is to do with such with Linux. The only thing holding Linux back is a consumer avenue, other than Google. Distribution and partnerships are the problem, not the OS and its capabilities (including user interface). No one has any issues with a pre-installed Linux except when adding cheap peripherals from a store that sells hardware with time-limited drivers (in other words, force upgrades of hardware-software after a few years), but that plagues Apples in many cases as well. Same deal on the most popular software titles, there are several where Linux is a significant portion of a billion dollar application market for the vendor. MS Office, on-the-other-hand, doesn't run well on Apple, and has regular, missing functionality and compatibility (home users don't notice it much, but it plagues businesses) because the codebase is completely different.

Today the Internet is basically a botnet with 25-33% of all Windows systems infected. When something finally happens, it's going to be a total mess. Because even when Windows isn't being utilized, Windows is still on the same networks as those that are not Windows. When those networks are critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter what OS is on them if Windows is there too.

It's security has nothing to do with popularity. It has to do with basic design, something that cannot be corrected out of compatibility. Not my words, but those of a short-lived head of security at Microsoft back when Vista was nearing release. No version of Windows was ever designed for public networks ... no version ever.



And again you hit the nail on the head. Well said! I'd rep you if I could! :glugglug:
 
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/erika-red said:
Erika Red[/URL][/B], post: 5408818, member: 529998"]Just a plain blue screen on all 3 of my 24" monitors (use ultamon) - One monitor has FireFox on it, the other monitor has Outlook Express and the last monitor is my work area with Photo-shop and my other photo & video editing software :)

Daaaaaamn! Erika Red's Ballin!! :D
 
[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/erika-red said:
Erika Red[/URL][/B], post: 5408818, member: 529998"]Just a plain blue screen on all 3 of my 24" monitors (use ultamon)
And your GDI-WGF subsystems thank you. Plain color is so much better than any gradient, let alone texture, when it comes to the WGF (Windows Graphics Foundation) of Vista/7, let alone the horrendous GDI of XP. You keep your memory usage way down as a result, as Windows is much worse than Apple's Quartz or Free Desktop's (Linux's) Cairo rendering.

[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/erika-red said:
Erika Red[/URL][/B], post: 5408818, member: 529998"]One monitor has FireFox on it, the other monitor has Outlook Express
Oh God no, you didn't just say Outlook Express, did you? Worst virus redistribution engine of all time ... just saying. ;)

[B][URL="https://www.freeones.com/erika-red said:
Erika Red[/URL][/B], post: 5408818, member: 529998"]and the last monitor is my work area with Photo-shop and my other photo & video editing software :)
Photoshop isn't coming to Linux any time soon because it's required library support is already well emulated under Linux, solving a problem for Adobe. It's still the commodity standard for photo editing, and won't be replaced any time soon.

Curious to know what video editing software you're using?
 
Oh God no, you didn't just say Outlook Express, did you? Worst virus redistribution engine of all time ... just saying. ;)

This is true. You couldn't leave a bigger digital footprint... :dunno: Outlook totally gives away WAY too much information when sending shit. Seriously.
 
This is true. You couldn't leave a bigger digital footprint... :dunno: Outlook totally gives away WAY too much information when sending shit. Seriously.
Outlook Express and, even more so, Outlook have core hooks into Windows for automation. Because of these facilities, Microsoft cannot address some core security issues with Windows' inherent design. They've tried by late 2003 (completely ignoring the problem prior), and they've broken everything when they have. So the problem continues, and will continue, forever, until they make fundamental changes.

I could totally dissect this, but I'd geek out way too much for the board (as if I don't enough already). But in a nutshell, they don't have the time or effort to do such. It's already an Atlas-type situation, and they have decided they cannot balance customer expectations with doing the right thing.
 
Outlook Express and, even more so, Outlook have core hooks into Windows for automation. Because of these facilities, Microsoft cannot address some core security issues with Windows' inherent design. They've tried by late 2003 (completely ignoring the problem prior), and they've broken everything when they have. So the problem continues, and will continue, forever, until they make fundamental changes.

I could totally dissect this, but I'd geek out way too much for the board (as if I don't enough already). But in a nutshell, they don't have the time or effort to do such. It's already an Atlas-type situation, and they have decided they cannot balance customer expectations with doing the right thing.

It all boils down to Microsoft just not giving a fuck. The shitty part is that their name carries enough weight to allow them to do so; much to the savvy consumer's dismay. :2 cents::dunno:
 
It all boils down to Microsoft just not giving a fuck. The shitty part is that their name carries enough weight to allow them to do so; much to the savvy consumer's dismay. :2 cents::dunno:
As much as I'm a huge, open source advocate, that's a simple, and incorrect, answer. Although their total misuse of "The Cloud" does show how the great majority of consumers don't care, I'll agree with you there. Marketing is king. Substance is not. There's no more proof in that than virtually major innovation being developed on UNIX and in open source, only for people to assume open source is "stealing" ideas "already on Windows" (ha ha ha! Not!).

Yes, they took way too long to "give a fuck." It wasn't until SQL Slammer (2003) that they started to care. And the reason why they were forced to care is because their own, MCSE-wielding professionals started calling them out (because Microsoft was hanging them out to dry).

But understand by 2003, "Longhorn" (NT 6) was already developed architecturally and virtually hitting internal Alphas. They started to re-write some, even their own .NET team (.NET is based on licensed Java code, with similar security mechanisms as UNIX, especially latter versions) pushed for a change away from legacy Win32, and that wasn't going to happen. It would have pushed back everything, and Microsoft believed "Blackcomb" would sort out the mess.

But just as "Cario" in the '90s, what was "Longhorn" became everything, as Windows 7 is merely NT 6.1, neither NT 7 nor the "Blackcomb" planned. Eventually they caved into something like UAC, which basically notifies when a program is using a privilege service call. Unfortunately, it's incomplete. There are many libraries and mechanisms totally not understood by Microsoft, allowing all sorts of access that is not marked privileged. Plus they have outsourced most development outside the US for all NT releases, let alone Microsoft had the "brain drain" to Google and others, losing core architects.

The fact that Microsoft only tracks security issues at the base platform level if part of the problem. People like to point to "security counts" on other platforms -- namely Linux -- but they don't realize that includes the development tools, the office suite, several browsers, just about every desktop application anyone would want, and to a different standard too. MS Office would be considered a non-starter on Linux from a security standpoint.

UAC is not a security fix, it is a tool for software developers (one that Microsoft forced on users) so they get calls from users when they are stupidly raising privilege without writing the software proper. Sadly, Microsoft's own application division is the biggest culprit, because the don't know how to write software proper. I was involved with some early WINELIB (a porting kit from Windows to Linux -- not to be confused with WINE, the emulator, WINELIB is actually a Win32/GDI to POSIX/X11 porting kit), and it's always a total eye opening experience for Windows developers on what not only Windows, not only the crap Visual Studio outputs, but what they don't even think of.

Like the simple, but overlooked issue, of a program being able to write to its own directory where it is installed. You hit Windows developers with the stupid bat for that and they look at you like you're hitting them for no reason. Yet even a simple MacOS X or Linux coder knows that, and wants to now beat the Windows developers with dumb stares down like fuck too. ;)

There's also the issue of how digital signatures work and can be bypassed in Windows. Software can be forged and users will click through. At least Microsoft finally made it default that you cannot install core libraries or drivers without a valid signature. But it's still horrendous how much software can be. That's why Windows seems easy for home users, but it's hell for corporations. It's funny because all the work corporations have to go through to "package" and "validate" Windows applications are already done on Linux systems natively, which users don't understand why they have to deal with.

MacOS X goes too far the other way. They just have images, which can be just as much of a trojan nightmare. Fortunately MacOS X does have some controls, but I wish they'd address them better and with more mandatory procedures.

Sigh ... I'm so going geek! And way off-topic!
 
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