Watching real life rape at a high school

[meesterperfect]

Ok I'm gonna say some things and get some shit for it afterwards but I don't care.
You people wonder why this stuffs happening more and more.
Just open your eyes and look around.
These people ar not us, they are them.
The USA is not "united we stand" anymore.
Its now made up of many groups with very different morals and values.
Some normal and peaceable, some immoral and depraved.
Those immoral and depraved are populating and entering on a much larger basis than those good ones, therefore we have more and more of this sick shit happening.
This is similar to the kid in florida getting set on fire a few weeks ago.

Here we have riichmond, california. A city over run and destroyed by dare I say it, mexicans.
The only identified suspect so far was mexican so its safe to assume his buddys were also.
And considering most of the area and school is mexican I will assume that so were the bystanders. immoral and depraved.
I must wonder if all these people would rape/watch a rape if the victim was mexican also.
I doubt it.
This aint 1950's miliwaukee, richie cunningham and potsie weber have been extinct. . This is why shit like this is on the uprise .Its a whole new country so lets call a spade a spade, which is the first step in correcting the problem.
Acceptance, then take the correct steps to fix the problem, if its not already too late.
Otherwise it will only get worse and next time it might be your sister mother grlfriend wife or daughter .

 

[JordanRules]

A California high school student who police said was gang raped in a two-and-a-half-hour assault outside a homecoming dance remained hospitalized in stable condition Monday, three days after she was flown from the attack scene in critical condition.

Whoever was involved in this I say send them to a prison... San Quentin or whatever! Either way, let them find out what the fuck they did in the fucking shower stalls with other inmates!

There is no excuse for this action! I do not care who you are or whatever the fuck you are! No excuses!

Fuck you you scum bag!

Send the guilty ones to a hard prison whether it be San Quentin, Pelican Bay, or Leavenworth! Let them go down! I hope they convicted in court!

Agree with both your posts, Whimsy. When I read this article all I could think of is that poor girl. She endured two and a half hours of pure hell. Her life has been ruined. Though I hope it's not forever. I hope she can move on with the love of her family and friends. It will be extremely hard for her. I wish her a speedy recovery and a long, happy, healthy, normal life.

As far as the motherfuckers who committed this horrific act. Castrate ever single fucking one of them. Same goes for the ones that watched, and/or took pictures and video. Then send them to hardest of the hardcore prisons and make it part of their day to be gang raped. Daily! Every single fucking day of their pathetic lives. Make them the prison bitches for every single scumbag serving time there. This poor girl will take this with her for the rest of her days. Well, so should these poor excuses for human beings. I hope they are caught quickly and their names and faces are posted for the world to see. I don't give a fuck if they are a minor or not. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but didn't give a fuck. I was so mad reading this story that if they were taking applications to put a bullet in the back of these guys heads, I would of signed up right away! Probably still would. Fuck them.

 

[sporty_carr]

I truly fear for my kids and my grandkids. You can scream and shout all you want about how everyone involved in this horrific episode should be imprisoned or gang-raped themselves or killed or strung up by their balls or whatever but all you are doing is slicing off one head of the Hydra....it is sure to grow back because we don't become outraged about these things until they are manifested and most of us are too ambivalent and concerned with the petty details of our own everyday lives to ever do anything to address the root of the problem at its source....and even if we did, where are we supposed to start?

To me, it all begins at home. As parents, we have an incredibly important responsibility....covenant in fact....to raise our kids with love and respect....to teach them compassion and (through example for the most part) right from wrong....that effort equals result, to treat others with respect and what they need to do as individuals to become good, well-adjusted and contributory members of society. Unfortunately, way too many of us abandon that covenant very early on and the ensuing result is an endless parade of horribly tragic events like this one and many others that are similar (like the beating death of the student in Chicago a couple of weeks ago). How do we force parents to live up to their covenant? Sadly, I don't think it can be done.

I agree with you, but I didn't make the laws. I remember reading a story about a woman who killed her husband. I was just saying.

I think once you kill someone it's like laws in different times were very punishable. Nowadays you murder 50 people and you get life without parole? Is that really that bad in our prisons? Our prison systems are very easy to get through.

Yes, Jagger, you're right. Not every kid gets to live a fairy tale life where their parents are perfect and loving. Hell, alot of kids these days probably grow up with only one parent. So, unfortunately this helps to create a lot of "bad seeds" in society. The only way I see to fix it is exactly what your signature says you're against Jagger, the death penalty. As 24788 said, how bad is it for a criminal to live in prison these days? Do the prisons ever rehabilitate any of these people before they release them back into society to do more harm? Very rarely.

I know a guy near where I live that was involved in 5 or 6 shootings. He had to finally kill somebody before they put him in prison. Our country has become way to politically correct....."Oh no, we can't mistreat the murderers, that would be inhumane." Do you think they gave a shit if they were being inhumane to their victims? We need to stop giving rapists, murderers, and attempted murderers slaps on the wrist for their crimes. We need to start making an example of these people that get caught in the act or things will only keep getting worse. I say drag these rapists out in the street, string them up, and stone them to death. Same thing with those kids that set that boy on fire a few weeks ago. Except, in their case, burn them at the stake. After about a hundred or so stonings and crucifixions, I promise these types of crimes will lower in the U.S.

 

[glock27]

In psychology I learned that this happens quite often. I can't remember the scholarly psychological term for people who are witnesses to a crime and don't do anything to help the victim...

It is called "Bystander Effect", also sometimes called "Genovese Syndrome", in reference to a notorious case from 1964, in which a 28 year old woman named Kitty Genovese, was brutally stabbed to death and raped in an alley in Queens, New York . . . a crime that was witnessed by thirty-eight (38) people.

A serious factor that I haven't heard anyone here discuss is the possibility of witness intimidation, on the part of the gang members.

If the assailants who committed the gang rape are affiliated with a street gang, there is a very real possibility that any witness who came forward or attempted to intervene would have incurred serious (possibly lethal retaliation).

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this possibility. Any body who was raised in an area that has gang or organized crime knows that the "no snitching" rule is more than a curious subcultural custom . . . it's a survival mechanism.

The way to solve the problem isn't to force innocent kids to police each other. It's to put more police on patrol in these neighborhood, in order to prevent crime in the first place.

Basic law enforcement theory: the best deterrent to crime is police presence.

 

[somebadlemonade]

that school used to have a school district funded police force, along with 3 other high school in the area, they cut the funding and got rid of them completely a few years ago.

so this could have been prevented, that school is widely know as one of the more rowdy schools in the area. i only went there for a year, but this was years ago it was the territory of another gang at the time, around here gang mostly peddled drugs. you don't really heard about them raping people. if it were a gang it would make this a bit easier for the police to find them, yes there is an over all don't snitch policy, but they could also not have known the people doing it. that school is rather big and we don't even know if they were students or not, and with a population of nearly 100,000 it can be hard to discribe someone and not get way more leads then the police department can handle at one time, though with the media coverage and the overall disdain for the police in the area after the recent event in the surrounding areas. i hope they solve this one quick i don't feel like having to pick up the pieces if this doesn't boil over quietly

 

[jasonk282]

It is called "Bystander Effect", also sometimes called "Genovese Syndrome", in reference to a notorious case from 1964, in which a 28 year old woman named Kitty Genovese, was brutally stabbed to death and raped in an alley in Queens, New York . . . a crime that was witnessed by thirty-eight (38) people.

A serious factor that I haven't heard anyone here discuss is the possibility of witness intimidation, on the part of the gang members.

If the assailants who committed the gang rape are affiliated with a street gang, there is a very real possibility that any witness who came forward or attempted to intervene would have incurred serious (possibly lethal retaliation).

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this possibility. Any body who was raised in an area that has gang or organized crime knows that the "no snitching" rule is more than a curious subcultural custom . . . it's a survival mechanism.

The way to solve the problem isn't to force innocent kids to police each other. It's to put more police on patrol in these neighborhood, in order to prevent crime in the first place.

Basic law enforcement theory: the best deterrent to crime is police presence.

Agreeed. if you flood the town with police, crime will stop because of a police presence, but once they leave the gangs will be back at it again. We need stricter laws regarding murder and rape. Hell we have strict rules for a hate crime, but if you rape somone nothing happens. And how bad is jail, they get 3 meals a day, rec time, and most likely have gang members inside also.

 

[habo9]

You would think that one of them would think this is wrong and step in to stop it , everyone of them that were there should be jailed for life & the rapists should be executed!!

I have noticed that these kinds of stories are on the rise , even here in Britain you here of them but most of them seem to be around the London area over here

If I ever stumbled across this happening I would fly in without a thought whether I got beaten or not because I would rather that , than knowing I did nothing to stop it , I couldnt live with myself if I walked away and did nothing

 

[Jagger69]

I say drag these rapists out in the street, string them up, and stone them to death. Same thing with those kids that set that boy on fire a few weeks ago. Except, in their case, burn them at the stake. After about a hundred or so stonings and crucifixions, I promise these types of crimes will lower in the U.S.

I am not going to turn this into an argument about the death penalty (plenty of threads on it here already) but I live in a state that executes more people every year than the rest of the nation combined and has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. It has already been demonstratively shown that the death penalty serves no tangible purpose as a deterrent to capital crimes. Stone them? String them up? Burn them at the stake? How do you teach people that barbaric activity is unacceptable in today's society by treating people in a barbaric manner? Makes no sense to me. It's blood vengeance, plain and simple and teaches nothing other than to prove that we are indeed, by our very nature, a violent species.

Again, you can kill all the perpetrators of horrific crimes like this in any bizarre or twisted manner that suits your pleasure. It does nothing to address the root of the issue. Until the root issue is addressed, the problem will continue to escalate and for every one you kill, ten more will be born to take his place.

 

[JacknCoke]

I am not going to turn this into an argument about the death penalty (plenty of threads on it here already) but I live in a state that executes more people every year than the rest of the nation combined and has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. It has already been demonstratively shown that the death penalty serves no tangible purpose as a deterrent to capital crimes. Stone them? String them up? Burn them at the stake? How do you teach people that barbaric activity is unacceptable in today's society by treating people in a barbaric manner? Makes no sense to me. It's blood vengeance, plain and simple and teaches nothing other than to prove that we are indeed, by our very nature, a violent species.

Again, you can kill all the perpetrators of horrific crimes like this in any bizarre or twisted manner that suits your pleasure. It does nothing to address the root of the issue. Until the root issue is addressed, the problem will continue to escalate and for every one you kill, ten more will be born to take his place.

I understand your logic but I think it's situations like this that need to be put down in the most harsh punishment possible. That may not be the death penalty but I still believe it's a proper fit for most. Have you looked up statistics on those to get out of our jail system and get thrown back in for violence related crimes? I don't know where to begin to look for that info but I would Imagine it's rather comparable to your argument about the death penalty.

I for one think our jail system needs to be revamped and changed. Maybe they should all be similar to Joe Arpaio system in Maricopa County Arizona. Maybe people think he is unorthodox and his prison conditions violate human rights. I truly believe that if you commit a crime within the USA boarders that is worthy of jail time that you give up any rights you ever had. I agree with Joe's system and I think these kids deserve this type of punishment.

"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths.":thumbsup:

 

[jasonk282]

^Hell yea Sheriff Joe!

AAlso i heard it MIGHT be part of her joining the gang something like this report http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6889829.ece

 

[Alyssa Rose]

This is disgusting. She will never have a normal life now. Never.

 

[Sicario]

On the bright side, KARMA is such a son-of-a-bitch that the responsible culprits will be gang raped for 2 1/2 hours in prison for this heinous crime. :thumbsup:

 

[~~whimsy~~]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/28/BA621ABOF6.DTL&tsp=1

Two more suspects were arrested overnight for allegedly being among a group of young men who raped and robbed a 15-year-old girl outside a dance at Richmond High School, bringing to five the number of people in custody, police said today.

The latest arrest happened at 11 p.m. Tuesday when a 17-year-old Pinole boy turned himself in at Richmond police headquarters, Lt. Mike Gormley said. Officers went to the boy's home earlier but didn't find him, police said.

Also arrested Tuesday night were a 16-year-old San Pablo boy and 21-year-old Salvador Rodriguez of Richmond. On Monday, police arrested Manuel Ortega, 19, and a 15-year-old boy, a student at Richmond High who knows the rape victim.

 

[Facetious]

Richmond is a drug ridden warzone. The whole damn place (Richmond) is loaded with ex con gang members.The Feds (ICE) have to police that place in group force, they have to, otherwise cops would be killed with regularity. The main problem in Richmond Ca., just as it is in South central LA is that the chicanos are on the offensive against the African Americans. In South Central, there's so many gang bangin' chicanos, the areas that had previously been "occupied" by African Americans are now becoming predominantly hispanic. It's real sad to see that African Americans are being run out of their neighborhoods by a wave of aggression from individuals who, in many cases are not even legal American citizens !

If I recall correctly San Quentin Prison is in plain sight from Richmond, it's an eerie cold looking place, you would think that by nature of it being visible from Richmond there would be somewhat of a deterrent factor for people who commit violent crimes... guess not since orders for violent street crimes are often given from inside the very boundaries of San Quentin itself. :updown:

My heart hurts for this 15 year old young woman. For why was there no security circulating around the school at the time of the dance ? This whole thing was likely premeditated in my estimation. I'm hearing that budgetary cuts were the reason why there wasn't any security.
Did one of these rats know this before hand ?

 

[sporty_carr]

I am not going to turn this into an argument about the death penalty (plenty of threads on it here already) but I live in a state that executes more people every year than the rest of the nation combined and has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. It has already been demonstratively shown that the death penalty serves no tangible purpose as a deterrent to capital crimes. Stone them? String them up? Burn them at the stake? How do you teach people that barbaric activity is unacceptable in today's society by treating people in a barbaric manner? Makes no sense to me. It's blood vengeance, plain and simple and teaches nothing other than to prove that we are indeed, by our very nature, a violent species.

Again, you can kill all the perpetrators of horrific crimes like this in any bizarre or twisted manner that suits your pleasure. It does nothing to address the root of the issue. Until the root issue is addressed, the problem will continue to escalate and for every one you kill, ten more will be born to take his place.

Guess what? I live in Tx too.....and I say we don't do enough to deter violent behavior. You confuse me because you say that you fear for the safety of your children and grandchildren. How would you feel if your daughter, wife, or girlfriend was gang raped in front of an audience? You would be alright with the perpetrators getting a year or so in prison and then being released to do more harm? I've heard a lot of cases around here where people have gotten off in a year for killing somebody :wtf:

You probably don't believe in spanking kids either. Well, I was spanked as a child, but not very often. See, I learned quick not to act up when my parents told me not to because it meant a spanking. Its the same idea, only harsher. The more the American public shows they won't tolerate this kind of behavior, the less these crimes will be committed. Its really common sense....cause and effect. You say address the root of the issue? The root of the issue that you're talking about is something that can never be fixed. There will always be troubled people with bad home lifes. The only thing we can keep under control is criminal behavior. But you might misunderstand me. I'm not talking about the traditional death penalty. I'm talking about making an example of some of these criminals. Not just sticking a needle in them and putting them to sleep. You're right in this area. It hasn't worked because they are few and far between, the process takes too long, and is too "humane." I know my suggestions will never happen though, because our country has become to "politically correct" aka pussified. In the mean time more innocents and possibly our loved ones will pay the price. Its sad that America has come to this, I know, but its really the only way. Until people like you wake up and realize this, it will only get worse.

 

[Galactic]

This literally makes me feel sick to my stomach......we are living in hell.

I really do wish that the people found to be involved had their cocks chopped off with no painkillers.......

 

[nylo]

This is just a sign that our society is going straight to fucking hell. How can people just stand there and not do anything and just let this happen. What the Fuck is wrong with people?

This is sick beyond belief, I am speechless

 

[Facetious]

^Hell yea Sheriff Joe!

AAlso i heard it MIGHT be part of her joining the gang something like this report http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6889829.ece

I've read many stories over the years that report of gang rape being commonplace and almost a rite of passage literally, when Mexican national women desire to cross the Mexican / North American border illegally. There is apparently some kind of "ritual" involved with the rapist thugs' swiping their victim's undergarments and hanging / displaying them high off of tree branches etc.
A "We were here and we raped a woman here kind of display" if you will.

Nice culture were allowing to run over us, huh ? :hammer:

 

[Facial_King]

^^^ A truly disgusting post, Facetious.

Good work passing along the rape trees b.s.

Here's a nice deconstruction of it, including a video of good, white, All-American criminal Shawna Forde blabbering about her border patrol scouting, including one of the "rape trees".

http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/rape-trees-and-idiots-useful-and-otherwise/

In any case, Mexicans who sneak across the border aren't going to be introducing anything new to the U.S. if they commit rape.

 

[Jagger69]

I understand your logic but I think it's situations like this that need to be put down in the most harsh punishment possible. That may not be the death penalty but I still believe it's a proper fit for most. Have you looked up statistics on those to get out of our jail system and get thrown back in for violence related crimes? I don't know where to begin to look for that info but I would Imagine it's rather comparable to your argument about the death penalty.

I for one think our jail system needs to be revamped and changed. Maybe they should all be similar to Joe Arpaio system in Maricopa County Arizona. Maybe people think he is unorthodox and his prison conditions violate human rights. I truly believe that if you commit a crime within the USA boarders that is worthy of jail time that you give up any rights you ever had. I agree with Joe's system and I think these kids deserve this type of punishment.

"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths.":thumbsup:

Just because I am against the death penalty doesn't mean I am an apologist for these monsters who commit such crimes. You hit the nail on the head....if our judicial and penal systems were set up the way they should be, life imprisonment would be exponentially worse than a death sentence. I think the cyclical nature of our prison system (where incorrigible and unrepentant violent criminals are incarcerated, do their "time", are paroled and unleashed back upon society only to repeat the same type of crime) is not only primarily responsible for our off-the-scale crime rate but is also a significant justification that many death-penalty proponents use to justify its existence. Add to this the fact that capital criminals are allowed many amenities and privileges (cable TV, rec rooms, air conditioning, etc) and you can see why so many of these types of offenders are not intimidated over the prospect of going back to the joint.

For these types of violent criminals, we need to make the incarceration experience as miserable as possible. As long as their basic needs are provided (food, clothing and shelter), I would love to see a penal code that would allow for the most primitive and unpleasant living conditions possible for these individuals. I am for the building of new prisons that would fit the "penitentiary" model like Eastern State Prison was when it first opened in 1829. Read about it and the "penitent" concept behind it here:

http://www.easternstate.org/history/

Not only that, I would support a "Devil's Island" concept (somewhere in the Aleutian Islands would make a good location) that would be very cheap to operate and would virtually guarantee that these sociopaths never find their way back onto the streets. Basically, they would be banished from society for good. The existing judicial and penal systems make no such provision for this type of punishment and it is indeed a huge part of the problem.

Life in prison should mean life in prison. If the crime committed warrants it, the sentence should be hard time with no amenities. Such a policy would be much more effective as a deterrent than the existing capital-punishment system that is readily employed in a most prejudicial and arbitrary manner in states like Texas.

Read this and you'll see what I mean regarding the inequities of the way sentences are handed out:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6687540.html

Both of these perpetrators should be doing hard time for life. Instead, because of the way the judicial system can be manipulated through pleas and deals, this is the injustice that we get. The guy who pulled the trigger gets to live and his accomplice gets the needle. Joe Arpaio should be running the federal penal system. He gets it.