Veterans to Benefit Most from Obamacare - Ted Cruz Vows to Elimanate Their Acces!

Mariahxxx

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BC you have said many times that veterans deserve the best care that there is more than anyone, so what is your thought on your boy Ted Cruz taking away or cutting food stamps for over 2 million americans including 170,000 veterans this past week and vowing to take away the veteran portion of Obamacare?

For all the bluster from Senator Ted Cruz about the false reasons to fear Obamacare, the irony is that veterans should fear him and his Tea Party cohorts in the House of Representatives. After all, they're on a course to block troops and veterans from the health care they're owed.

Among veterans, there are three ways they could get health care. First, many retired service members, and their families, qualify for TRICARE, the military's health care program. It allows them to get care at any doctor or facility in the TRICARE network. Second, there is care from the Department of Veterans Affairs, for all veterans for five years after their deployment (any service connected issues are cared for by the VA past that). Veterans still can get VA care if they make under a certain amount. However, VA care doesn't extend to a veteran's ******. Third, there's the private insurance system.

First, let's examine Obamacare and its effect on veterans. In short, it's a good deal, especially for families of veterans.

Among veterans, there are three ways they could get health care. First, many retired service members, and their families, qualify for TRICARE, the military's health care program. It allows them to get care at any doctor or facility in the TRICARE network. Second, there is care from the Department of Veterans Affairs, for all veterans for five years after their deployment (any service connected issues are cared for by the VA past that). Veterans still can get VA care if they make under a certain amount. However, VA care doesn't extend to a veteran's ******. Third, there's the private insurance system.

For those who have TRICARE, or get VA care, they're considered covered under Obamacare's individual mandate. But, there are over 1 million veterans who have no coverage, and nearly as many veteran families. Many veterans make too much to qualify for VA care, or TRICARE and VA facilities are just too far away for that to be a reasonable choice. For their families, they're uninsured for the any of the many reasons any other American isn't insured -- prohibitive cost being the most likely reason.

It's for them -- the uncovered veterans and their families -- that Obamacare offers a lifeline. For the first time, possibly in their lives, they'll be able to afford coverage through the eminently affordable Health Insurance Marketplace, which Obamacare sets up.

For Guard and Reserve, in particular, who don't have service connected issues, Obamacare is huge. If they haven't deployed, they're not covered by care at the VA, and only sometimes have access to TRICARE. They mostly depend on employer coverage. For many of them, they'll get it under Obamacare. And if their employer has an exemption, the Guardsman or Reservist will be able to get insurance in the marketplace, for them and their ******, with subsidies.

And so, Obamacare is, as Joe Biden called it, a "B.F.D." for veterans and their families.

That brings us back to Ted Cruz, and his Tea Party allies in the House. They're now trying to block veterans and their families from getting affordable health insurance.

And if they don't get their way? They'll shut down the government, again.

That would be an unmitigated disaster, in terms of health care for those troops and veterans who actually do have it right now through the Department of Defense or VA. We can look at past government shutdowns to know what will happen. In the shutdown of 1995 , the Department of Defense ordered medical facilities to cease routine appointments, and even in some cases delayed surgeries for troops and veterans. About 250,000 civilian workers went home, many of whom worked at medical centers at military installations. While VA Centers remained open and continue to provide services, medical claims will be delayed, as civilian workers were sent home, and the Board of Appeals for claims can issue no decisions during a shutdown.

In short, the two options being offered up by Ted Cruz and the Tea Party -- defunding Obamacare or shutting down the government -- only serves to hurt the health of troops and veterans, and their families.

In a week where they also moved to kick 170,000 veterans off food stamps entirely , I can't say I'm surprised.
 
Mitt himself said it in his 47% speech, all those takers who think they have a right to food. You make $7 an hour, and you want OUR help to feed your ******???

Who needs Al Qaeda when you've got republicans? They're doing more damage to this country than any terrorist group could ever hope to.
 

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
have you heard the **** his ****** has been saying? racist **** about Obama like "we should send him back to Kenya" and then Cruz's people are trying to say his ****** isn't him and doesn't necessarily mean they share the same beliefs yet his ****** campigned on his behalf a surrogate for him. Kinda hard to say he doesn't represent him when he gives speeches for him lol
 
Just because you served in the military doesn't mean you should become part of the entitlement class. Peoplej join the military for a myriad of reasons and the majority do so because they are patriotic but they also are looking to enhance their marketability in the private sector after their time in the military is over. Active and honorably discharged members ******** receive health care services at any one of the hospitals at installations around the world up until age 18. For many, the military is first and foremost a source of income just as any job is. Veterans that have suffered service related illnesses and injury are taken care of through the VA. The military should not be on the hook for healthcare of those no longer serving if they are healthy and have the capacity to pursue the many programs available to them and their families no more than Delta airlines should be on the hook for food and services healthcare for former employees.
 

Mariahxxx

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did you read what the fucking story says? They ARENT able to get care and many are on food stamps and welfare because we don't pay them ****. Now you're saying because they served doesn't mean they deserve care? Should I go back and dig to find your adamant post about veterans deserving care? Which is it? Now that it serves your agenda to say **** like this you change your tune? what's the difference to you now that made it change from a few weeks ago?
 
Just because you served in the military doesn't mean you should become part of the entitlement class. Peoplej join the military for a myriad of reasons and the majority do so because they are patriotic but they also are looking to enhance their marketability in the private sector after their time in the military is over. Active and honorably discharged members ******** receive health care services at any one of the hospitals at installations around the world up until age 18. For many, the military is first and foremost a source of income just as any job is. Veterans that have suffered service related illnesses and injury are taken care of through the VA. The military should not be on the hook for healthcare of those no longer serving if they are healthy and have the capacity to pursue the many programs available to them and their families no more than Delta airlines should be on the hook for food and services healthcare for former employees.

most of the homeless walking around in the US today are male veterans
 

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
here ya go BC YOU said this on 10/15: "Veterans earn every cotdam bit of taxpayes funded healthcare they get." wanna check it? here's the post

and then 2 posts later you said "the people that served are entitled to it as they and their families actually contributed something to earn it."

So which is it counselor?
 
I said they are entitled to what is on the table. And they did earn it. You tried to make the lame ass case that those that do not work were entitled to at least what our military receives. Yes they did earn what they receive, but what they receive has been allotted for within the military's guidelines. It does not mean that they should receive food, healthcare and benefits if they did not suffer from some event that impedes them from becoming employed in the private sector after their time in the military is over.
 

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
Where did I say that? Get me the the link to the post please. I have REPEATEDLY said that more than 90% of the people on assistance are WORKING people. I have constantly beaten the working poor drum to death and now you wanna twist some **** around because YOU are caught in a fucking flip flop? How convenient boy.

I think assistance for people not working should have an expiration date. I have said that many times and if you want me to put my money where my mouth is I'll fucking show you. You show me where I said people not working deserve what veterans get and I'll pay up. I've proven you are a fucking flip flop so you show me where I have been.

Come on boy, put that paralegal mind to fucking work!

and just in case you are absorbed in someone's briefs, here's YOUR fucking quote again:

on 10/15: "Veterans earn every cotdam bit of taxpayes funded healthcare they get." wanna check it? here's the post

and then 2 posts later you said "the people that served are entitled to it as they and their families actually contributed something to earn it."

care to show me where it says "what's on the table" in there? You interpret your own quotes the way you interpret the bible?

come on boy show us where I said it. I've proven you wrong boy, show me where I said that ****.
 

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
actually only 13% of the homeless are veterans. But 40% of those are black or hispanic.


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Only 7% of the general population can claim veteran status, but nearly 13% of the homeless adult population are veterans.

Why are veterans homeless?

In addition to the complex set of factors influencing all homelessness – extreme shortage of affordable housing, livable income and access to health care – a large number of displaced and at-risk veterans live with lingering effects of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and substance *****, which are compounded by a lack of ****** and social support networks. Additionally, military occupations and training are not always transferable to the civilian workforce, placing some veterans at a disadvantage when competing for employment.

A top priority for homeless veterans is secure, safe, clean housing that offers a supportive environment free of ***** and *******.

Doesn’t VA take care of homeless veterans?

To a certain extent, yes. Each year, VA’s specialized homelessness programs provide health care to almost 150,000 homeless veterans and other services to more than 112,000 veterans. Additionally, more than 40,000 homeless veterans receive compensation or pension benefits each month.

Since 1987, VA’s programs for homeless veterans have emphasized collaboration with such community service providers to help expand services to more veterans in crisis. VA, using its own resources or in partnerships with others, has secured nearly 15,000 residential rehabilitative and transitional beds and more than 30,000 permanent beds for homeless veterans throughout the nation. These partnerships are credited with reducing the number of homeless veterans by 70% since 2005.
 
Where did I say that? Get me the the link to the post please. I have REPEATEDLY said that more than 90% of the people on assistance are WORKING people. I have constantly beaten the working poor drum to death and now you wanna twist some **** around because YOU are caught in a fucking flip flop? How convenient boy.

I think assistance for people not working should have an expiration date. I have said that many times and if you want me to put my money where my mouth is I'll fucking show you. You show me where I said people not working deserve what veterans get and I'll pay up. I've proven you are a fucking flip flop so you show me where I have been.

Come on boy, put that paralegal mind to fucking work!

and just in case you are absorbed in someone's briefs, here's YOUR fucking quote again:

on 10/15: "Veterans earn every cotdam bit of taxpayes funded healthcare they get." wanna check it? here's the post

and then 2 posts later you said "the people that served are entitled to it as they and their families actually contributed something to earn it."

care to show me where it says "what's on the table" in there? You interpret your own quotes the way you interpret the bible?

come on boy show us where I said it. I've proven you wrong boy, show me where I said that ****.

We all know you are as bi-polar as a siamese horseshoe but this is whacked even by your standards. You said that Americans should at least have the same healthcare as what the military enjoys. I said that military members at least earn their care as part of employer funded healthcare. You drew a weak analogy to advocate healthcare for all Americans whether they work or not. I know I have destroyed you all week but instead of getting all butthurt go lick your wounds somewhere try to get a grasp of some facts and live to fight another day. And BTW genius the threshold for those that work to get public assistance is very low. If a person makes over 1100 a month they will not qualify and especially if they pay rent or have a mortgage it either reduces the benefit to almost nothing to nothing at all. Girlie
 

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
I said if government health care is good enough for veterans why can't it be good for everyone else? THAT is what I said. go look it up and as far as anyone being bi-polar boy, that would be YOU. you have more sides to you than a fucking stop sign.
 
I said they are entitled to what is on the table. And they did earn it. You tried to make the lame ass case that those that do not work were entitled to at least what our military receives. Yes they did earn what they receive, but what they receive has been allotted for within the military's guidelines. It does not mean that they should receive food, healthcare and benefits if they did not suffer from some event that impedes them from becoming employed in the private sector after their time in the military is over.

You make it seem like all those former veterans that don't work and don't receive benefits because of that decided to not go out and get a job that pays a living wage just out of the hell of it, instead of it not being reasonably available to them, which is probably the vast majority of not only them but everybody else in this country that can't make ends meet. Maybe what that did receive considering what they did sucks. Maybe we should just take care of all our people and make sure everybody is adequately taken care of baring them absolutely refusing any reasonable way to take care of themselves. That should go even more so for people that did or are willing to put their lives on the line for this country.
 

Mayhem

Banned
From what I've heard from veterans is, if you served in the military (for at least 3 years) you are eligible for VA Medical Benefits. One does not have to be "retired military" in order to be eligible.

Technically true, but you're not eligible for much. I served 8 years, but since my problems aren't service connected, I'm **** outta luck for the issues I have. And believe me, I've tried.
 
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