US Has Now Lost 75% of Guantanamo Cases

[emceeemcee]

The only reason we haven't been attacked again is because of the vigilance of our intelligence community

Really?


The times square bomber was able to set his shit off as was the underwear bomber who had to be taken care of by the passengers.


'intelligence' community indeed.....

 

[D-rock]

Just cause I don't agree with your bleeding heart crusade for everything Islam doesn't fucking mean I have to grow up. You grow the fuck up. The only reason we haven't been attacked again is because of the vigilance of our intelligence community, and keeping these pieces of human shit right where we can see them. That's life today, that's the real world. So fucking naive.

Despite it being totally false that we haven't been attacked again, do you have any proof of that or that we would be attacked much more than we have if we didn't adhere to human rights? On a logical level using your reasoning I could almost just as well say that some secret government agency out there has keep us from being attacked by space aliens. After all you don't see to many space alien attacks, now do you?

As far as having to grow up I agree with Hot Mega, although I would have put it much less nicely than he did. You seem to label people that don't agree with you into somehow supporting the bad guys, when they are only supporting what's right regardless of which person that might benefit at the time.

Oh please don't even start with that garbage. What moral high ground do you take in asymmetric warfare?

Every moral high ground should be taken. It's not garbage. It's the entire concept for what the greatest values our society is based on. Without which we would be nothing except an empty shell of ourselves. Getting rid of those values would just make us destroy ourselves instead of any enemy having to do it, and would just add more evil into a world that doesn't need it. We should be better than our opponents. We shouldn't fall to their level of depravity, evil, corruption, and hatred just to gain a advantage over not doing so. If I have to face the increased possibilities of danger so future generations don't have to live in a society where we filled ourselves with depravity because it was convenient then so be it.

 

[Facial_King]

What constitutional rights? They're enemy combatants. You towel head lovers always have to resort to that shit followed by some snide remark like juvenile.

What's right, what's moral, what's even constitutional (not just your self-serving interpretation of that) doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with "love".

Your ignorant slur (for who?? The Gitmo prisoners? Muslims generally? Arabs?) reveals only that your motivations are primarily hate and fear.

I have no automatic, blanket feelings for/against, or judgment about people who wear headdresses (pro-tip: Many of them who wear such things aren't even Muslim) that you refer to as "towels".

THESE are the towel-heads that I love:

http://i.imgur.com/flGoW.jpg




:hatsoff:

 

[Kingfisher]

Lawyers suck ass.

 

[Ulysses31]

Wonder is this guy will end up there?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...der-teaching-fighters-bomb-making-skills.html

 

[georges]

Why are they not citizens? Because you say so? Because the US government says so? Bending the law to suit your agenda is not how it works and once you do it the law is just some letters in some book. You either uphold the law in it's entirety or you don't. There is no middle ground.

As to the question of them being guilty....the fact that the US has lost 75% of the cases against people they are illegally detaining should be a clear indication to you a lot of them were indeed picked up off the street for no reason. @ the time the US government was under a lot of pressure to produce results. The US as a nation demanded results and didn't give a damn how they were obtained. You wanted a bad guy to place blame on and that's what they gave you. Some if you still need a bad guy instead of the truth.

I have the impression to hear a broken record belonging to the leftist european parties who are just kissing the muslims and obama's ass. If someone is sent in jail, it means that he is guilty of something and a potential terrorist. Laxism leads to terrorism. You don't have proof whether they were detained for no reason or not, and you don't have any relationships or high placed contacts through law enforcement or military agencies to know why those people were detained. The US government owes nothing to the UN or other european nations that are lead by a bunch of greedy and irresponsible leftists. Leftists are the plague invading every European country. You have a very short memory, remember who bombed the uss cole, the american embassy in Nairobi and who did the first WTC bombing. All were radical muslim terrorists.

 

[georges]

Every moral high ground should be taken. It's not garbage. It's the entire concept for what the greatest values our society is based on. Without which we would be nothing except an empty shell of ourselves. Getting rid of those values would just make us destroy ourselves instead of any enemy having to do it, and would just add more evil into a world that doesn't need it. We should be better than our opponents. We shouldn't fall to their level of depravity, evil, corruption, and hatred just to gain a advantage over not doing so. If I have to face the increased possibilities of danger so future generations don't have to live in a society where we filled ourselves with depravity because it was convenient then so be it.

With terrorists and people who sympathize with them, moral laws don't exist. The death is their best friend. Eye for eye, teeth for teeth with these people. The values of a which civilized society is based is respect of the other and the absolute obeyance from a foreigner to the constitution as well as the rights in a country where he migrated in. It also means that these migrants will have to adapt and follow to the customs and habits in the country where they migrated in and not try to impose their laws as it is the case in many european countries that are lead by greedy leftist governments. Not everything should be tolerated, it is not by tolerating some people that are irrespectful of others traditions or that a real threat that you will solve the problem. When people are enough patriotic, they know how to tackle and destroy the foe because they think of their nation's interests and pride.

 

[georges]

If you want to discount those...then we weren't attacked on the CONUS under Clinton in 8 plus years.

Point is, terrorists don't give a shit where they dead up Americans. I suppose if it makes you feel better to distinguish Americans being killed there as opposed to here...that might be a point.

You forgot the first wtc bombing in 1993 that happened during clinton's first term as president.

 

[georges]

something to do with the geneva conventions, civilized behaviour, enlightment values, higher moral ground etc....

oh really:elaugh: with the terrorists it is either a 50 bmg bullet or a 308 nato bullet. No negotiations of any kind with terrorists and their sympathizers.

 

[Facial_King]

You don't have proof whether they were detained for no reason or not, and you don't have any relationships or high placed contacts through law enforcement or military agencies to know why those people were detained.

If you really cared about proof then you would be disturbed at the United States' unwillingness to give these guys actual trials.

Instead you're just placing (far too much) trust in the US government (too much trust for ANY government) and the law enforcement and military agencies. That's not wise for the long-term. A government that can run so unchecked might not snag you for false reasons but eventually they'll get someone among your friends or family.

 

[georges]

If you really cared about proof then you would be disturbed at the United States' unwillingness to give these guys actual trials.

Instead you're just placing (far too much) trust in the US government (too much trust for ANY government) and the law enforcement and military agencies. That's not wise for the long-term. A government that can run so unchecked might not snag you for false reasons but eventually they'll get someone among your friends or family.

You don't give trials to terrorists. You sent them in front of a martial court and if they are guilty by financing terrrorist groups or/and being involved in act of terrorism, you kill them.

I will rather place too much trust in the fbi, nsa and cia than having some government official who shows a total laxism against potential threats as well as someone who is showing a total mindblowing and never seen before way of ass kissing arab nations asses. The strategy of preemptive identification of potential threats and the asap elimination of them is more efficient than being a laxist or have another 9/11.

 

[Hot Mega]

You forgot the first wtc bombing in 1993 that happened during clinton's first term as president.

No I didn't. We were attacked the same amount of times in the CONUS under Clinton as we were under Bush, 1 time.

Ergo, the claim Bush kept us safe from another Islamist attack here (there's speculation that may not be entirely true anyway) comes off as a bogus claim since we've only had 2 in the CONUS in our entire history. 1 at the beginning of Clinton's term and 1 at the beginning of GWB's term.

IF you want to add in the Cole and Embassy attacks under Clinton...then for like comparisons, attacks that have happened under Bush are uncountable.

Bush kept us safe? Really?? Practically speaking terrorists don't give a shit where they take American lives. As a result of having 3000+ Americans killed GWB preemptively attacks a nation that had nothing to do with it, we get another 5k killed, scores more maimed at a present cost of a trillion dollars in additional debt and probably another 5 or 600 billion when it's all tallied (I won't even get into the effect on world economies skyrocketing gas prices from the instability cost us while "enriching" Iran)...

Who would you say actually won that round of keeping Americans "safe"?

Bringing me to my next point. I don't know what will happen in Afghanistan..what I care about is the head of AQ being brought to justice. Had GWB just focused on that...it would be more of a reality today instead of even more Americans being killed and put at risk. And to the point...we would know who should be guilty of what because WE would have been the ones apprehending most of these bastards and not detaining allot of people offered up by double agents in some cases.

No reasonable assessment of the scorecard between Clinton and Bush favors Bush in the least. Unless you're counting how much bluster one guy engaged in versus the other guy.

If AQ had to bargain less than 20 of their top operatives and a couple of thousand pawns in exchange for the US accruing trillions more in debt, killing thousands more Americans, maiming tens of thousands more (including some our top tactical operatives) and wrecking western economies from the ensuing instability...the only question they would have is where to sign up.

I know that's allot for you to process and you're probably going to stop thinking after the first 15 metres of this 100 metre sprint...but just read it in doses...you'll get it.