US Has Now Lost 75% of Guantanamo Cases

The story's a tad dated now, but I just came across it, and since it almost certainly got very little attention anywhere (Hell, I'm sort of a news junkie and I missed it), I thought I'd post it:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/08/97211/federal-judge-order-release-of.html

Excerpt:

A federal judge has ordered the release of another Yemeni captive at Guantanamo, the 37th time a war on terror captive in southeast Cuba has won his unlawful detention suit against the U.S. government.

Judge Paul Friedman's order in the case of Hussein Almerfedi at the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., instructs the Obama administration to "take all necessary and appropriate steps to facilitate the release of petitioner forthwith.''

His reasoning on why the U.S. had unlawfully detained Almerfedi, 33, held at Guantanamo since May 2003, was still under seal.

But as far back as 2005, Almerfedi had argued before a military panel at the Navy base in southeast Cuba that he fled his native Aden, Yemen, with plans to settle in Europe, not to join a jihad. Instead, he said, his journey took him to Pakistan and then Tehran where Iranian forces turned him over to Afghan forces, who in turn handed over to the United States.

Justice Department attorneys argued that Almerfedi was a former Aden-based salesman of the narcotics plant called qat who came to support al Qaeda "and is thus an enemy of the United States.''

A chunk of the case file is censored in federal court but government lawyers also argued that, while in Afghanistan, he stayed at al Qaeda safehouses.

The U.S. also said that Almerfedi was subjected to a lie detector test and was found to be deceptive. Almerfedi told a military panel at Guantanamo in 2005 that he was polygraphed in Bagram, Afghanistan, on the eve of his transfer to Cuba.

The U.S. government has won just 14 of the 51 decided cases filed by prisoners at Guantanamo, although an appeals court has found a flaw in one of the 14 rulings and ordered a new review in the case of Algerian captive Belkacem Bensayah.

In contrast, civilian judges have so far ruled for the release of 37 so-called "enemy combatants'' -- ordering them repatriated or resettled safely elsewhere if the stigma of Guantánamo detention would endanger them in their homelands.


About half of the 181 detainees at Guantanamo today are citizens of Yemen, Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland. A total of 15 Yemenis so far have had their habeas corpus petitions heard. Eight detentions have been upheld and seven have been ruled unlawful.
 
And rapists spend 3 years in jail on average... and politicians are never punished for all of their dirty deals and lies... and everyone should have a million dollars whether they deserve it or not. The point?

Life aint fair, and this is war we're talking about, and these "innocent" men are not citizens and I find it extremely difficult to believe they were just picked up off the street for no reason... I just don't buy it. TO apply our flawed court system to this issue is to suggest our court system works, and it doesn't
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
And rapists spend 3 years in jail on average... and politicians are never punished for all of their dirty deals and lies... and everyone should have a million dollars whether they deserve it or not. The point?

Life aint fair, and this is war we're talking about, and these "innocent" men are not citizens and I find it extremely difficult to believe they were just picked up off the street for no reason... I just don't buy it. TO apply our flawed court system to this issue is to suggest our court system works, and it doesn't

Your tune will soon change when they take you in for questioning.
Brother Ahmed, to use your real name, don't forget that in precisely one month we must meet in the times square to fulfill the plan brother Mohammed failed to fulfill...

:rolleyes:

No but seriously, you say all this, but if you were arrested for something you were innocent of, you wouldn't take the same approach, you'd see it as wrong. Think it through.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
i believe FK'S point is # 1 USA BAD.
# 2, most of the prisoners are innocent.

I doubt it.
but i think everyone agrees, try them all asap.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Let us not forget they did not just spend time in prison, they were massively abused and many if not most repeatedly waterboarded etc.

Whithout being given at least the rights of prisoners of war.

The Bush government created this, now Obama as to bear it.

If possible, the Bush family, Cheney and all the other cronies should be held personally responsible in the trials, and their wealth should be used to at least start to compensate for this. Of course, such abuse can't really be fully compensated, but it would be a start.

They will anti-american organisations, now?

Can you blame them?
 
no surprising, since most of the men in Guantanamo wasn't an....what that word....Ummmm i'm not gonna even say it.

What a waste of my fucking tax dollars Bush...I hope you rot in hell some day.:cussing:
 
Let us not forget they did not just spend time in prison, they were massively abused and many if not most repeatedly waterboarded etc.

Whithout being given at least the rights of prisoners of war.

The Bush government created this, now Obama as to bear it.

If possible, the Bush family, Cheney and all the other cronies should be held personally responsible in the trials, and their wealth should be used to at least start to compensate for this. Of course, such abuse can't really be fully compensated, but it would be a start.

They will anti-american organisations, now?

Can you blame them?


Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld etc. all need to be investigated and charged, that's about the only sensible thing you've said.

"Let us not forget they did not just spend time in prison, they were massively abused and many if not most repeatedly waterboarded etc."

^^^^
Everything I've read indicates the opposite.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Let us not forget they did not just spend time in prison, they were massively abused and many if not most repeatedly waterboarded etc.

Whithout being given at least the rights of prisoners of war.

The Bush government created this, now Obama as to bear it.

If possible, the Bush family, Cheney and all the other cronies should be held personally responsible in the trials, and their wealth should be used to at least start to compensate for this. Of course, such abuse can't really be fully compensated, but it would be a start.

They will anti-american organisations, now?

Can you blame them?

no surprising, since most of the men in Guantanamo wasn't an....what that word....Ummmm i'm not gonna even say it.

What a waste of my fucking tax dollars Bush...I hope you rot in hell some day.:cussing:


whao, hold on.
find some middle ground.
A lot if not most and maybe almost all of these people are guilty.
they were threats to the safety of american citizens.
plotting, members of terrorist groups ect, not choir boys
the enemy.

you make it as if the usa is just out there locking up anybody.
lets get real.
 
no surprising, since most of the men in Guantanamo wasn't an....what that word....Ummmm i'm not gonna even say it.

What a waste of my fucking tax dollars Bush...I hope you rot in hell some day.:cussing:

Most of em were just picked up in Afghanistan or the border areas of Pakistan etc. just doing good works...

It's okay to lie to infidels, but you can't lie to freeones.
 
Let us not forget they did not just spend time in prison, they were massively abused and many if not most repeatedly waterboarded etc.

Whithout being given at least the rights of prisoners of war.

The Bush government created this, now Obama as to bear it.

If possible, the Bush family, Cheney and all the other cronies should be held personally responsible in the trials, and their wealth should be used to at least start to compensate for this. Of course, such abuse can't really be fully compensated, but it would be a start.

They will anti-american organisations, now?

Can you blame them?

Yeah, Bush created it, but Obama doesn't have to "bear it". Obama fought for the job and, in the nearly two years he's served as president, he has exercised a foreign policy that would make John Bolton's mustachioed pussy get wet.

And nobody from "his party" has vowed to house or host any Guantanimites who'd face a real trial and either be tried and convicted by our civilian process or tried and let go. Yeah, Bush started this. But the Democrats have had both Houses since '06 and Obama's term is nearly half over. It's about time we pin the tail on the donkey.
 
It's cool, the real assholes are being kept in underground facilities in Antarctica. :anonymous

No way, whacko. What, do you listen to Alex Jones or something? Everybody knows that Uncle Sam is clear and present and plays it by the book. What next, are you going to suggest that Congress sneaks shit into giant, unreadable bills?

Whackjob!
 

Vlad The Impaler

Power Slave
No way, whacko. What, do you listen to Alex Jones or something? Everybody knows that Uncle Sam is clear and present and plays it by the book. What next, are you going to suggest that Congress sneaks shit into giant, unreadable bills?

Whackjob!

Shit! Apparently that :anonymous doesn't work for squat! I'm suing. :elaugh:
 
Man, you deserve at least 3 good reps today and I'm getting, no more LaLi untilled you spread it around.

Btw I've been reading Doctorow.:D

Don't worry, I don't need visually represented rep; I feel the spirit of rep in my bones. My adimantium bones.

...shit, sorry, but I have to digress....Google Chrome spellcheck doesn't recognize "adimantium"??? I hope google execs recognize "SNIKT"!

I kid.

Be sure to scan and send all of Doctorow's work to me. After all, he's so proud of his work that he doesn't want to be paid for it.
 

Vlad The Impaler

Power Slave
Don't worry, I don't need visually represented rep; I feel the spirit of rep in my bones. My adimantium bones.

...shit, sorry, but I have to digress....Google Chrome spellcheck doesn't recognize "adimantium"??? I hope google execs recognize "SNIKT"!

I kid.

Be sure to scan and send all of Doctorow's work to me. After all, he's so proud of his work that he doesn't want to be paid for it.

Don't want to get too far off track here, I don't know how he does it but he's making a bundle. Probably speaking engagements.
 
Don't want to get too far off track here, I don't know how he does it but he's making a bundle. Probably speaking engagements.

It's Freeones. No such thing as off track. More power to him, the guy earned everything he has, but I always find it funny that fans of those who insist creative content cannot be owned are often the ones who are so proud to financially support the creator.

Apparently, exceptions void irony.

But now I really am digressing. So yeah, Obama rocks! Promises are totally gay.
 
And rapists spend 3 years in jail on average... and politicians are never punished for all of their dirty deals and lies... and everyone should have a million dollars whether they deserve it or not. The point?

Life aint fair, and this is war we're talking about, and these "innocent" men are not citizens and I find it extremely difficult to believe they were just picked up off the street for no reason... I just don't buy it. TO apply our flawed court system to this issue is to suggest our court system works, and it doesn't

So if some part of the system screws up somewhere that means it's okay for it to do the wrong thing somewhere else? Your way of thinking doesn't seem sensible. A better question is what is your point?

Maybe if something like that ever happened to you or somebody you cared about where you're held without being proved guilty we could all have the pleasure of repeating your whole "life aint fair" stuff to you.

Life not being fair is something we should be trying to correct in the world.
 
Yeah, Bush created it, but Obama doesn't have to "bear it". Obama fought for the job and, in the nearly two years he's served as president, he has exercised a foreign policy that would make John Bolton's mustachioed pussy get wet.

And nobody from "his party" has vowed to house or host any Guantanimites who'd face a real trial and either be tried and convicted by our civilian process or tried and let go. Yeah, Bush started this. But the Democrats have had both Houses since '06 and Obama's term is nearly half over. It's about time we pin the tail on the donkey.

If only it were that simple. But every time Obama brings up quagmire and attempts to fix it--the Republicans shit bricks and whip out their filibusters.

Bush and Cheney grabbed some list of (alleged) bad guys off of somebody's desk and essentially rounded up randoms off the streets to throw in Rendition Camps. Yes, some are bad. But Bush/Cheney didn't have a fookin clue what half of these detainees did or were planning. It was basically a giant grin and grab ass for the cameras/press back in 2004. Another phony Mission Accomplished--"Lookee America, we got all these baddies locked up YAY!"

"Oops, they didn't actually commit any crimes? Huh? Well, better leave this pooch screw for the next president to cleanup"

Obama should move these detainees to the Capitol, try them in a court with UN Supervision, and release anyone with an empty manilla folder. Kinda like a realization of Habeas Corpus :dunno:

We should not be a country that fears itself into locking up people without hard evidence. We're better than that.
 
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