UN resolution: Israel must renounce nuclear arms

bobjustbob

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And no involvment from Europe, the US, Russia or China

Yup. Give them all buttons to push to play chicken with. Anyone with a button will know that within seconds of pushing it, automatic buttons get pushed by other nations pointing back at them. Let them buy all of the buttons they want from whoever they can get them from.
 

georges

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Then I wonder why the US don't push for bombing Tel Aviv. Israel being in possession of such weapons is a destabilisng factor for the whole region

You prefer Iran to have nuclear weapons, maybe? :facepalm: What an idiot
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Give them all nukes and let them point them at each other. Last man standing.

You should be aware that fallout can drift on the wind, dear boy.

Seriously, surely less nukes is better? I mean, Israel is so tiny, there's just no way that Iran can nuke them without ending up at war with neighbours. I'll bet good money even a suitcase bomb would result in fallout drifting into Egypt on the wind. Not that I'm agitating for Iran to get nuclear capability. Not by a long streak.

On a side note I swear that we in the West essentially gave Israel her nuclear capability. It would seem that since she isn't playing dice we're finally withdrawing our support. Long overdue.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
:facepalm:

If israel gives up their nukes they're sitting ducks. Iran will continue to develop their nuclear program, eventually developing a weapon. Pretty sure the only reason Iran hasn't taken out israel is fear of nuclear retaliation. Which, coincidentally, is exactly why we haven't yet had WWIII. No one wants to be responsible for opening pandora's box! With all the major super powers on the planet having nuclear weapons. We are in a perpetual nuclear stand off. Any country who gives up nuclear power is committing suicide!
 

Supafly

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Israel is intelligent enough to make sure that they can strike back at any attacker who chooses to go nuclear. They are getting submarines in the last years, built here in my hometown, and they are very probably fitted with nuclear missiles.

And that is smart indeed. Unless total madmen are in control of the nuclear arsenal of enemy states - which I do not believe - this assures that they will not be attacked nuclear. Plus the Israelis have a very sophisticated sabotage force that has shown what it can do with the STUX attack
 
You prefer Iran to have nuclear weapons, maybe? :facepalm: What an idiot
I prefer neither Iran nor Israel to have them, you moron !

:facepalm:

If israel gives up their nukes they're sitting ducks. Iran will continue to develop their nuclear program, eventually developing a weapon. Pretty sure the only reason Iran hasn't taken out israel is fear of nuclear retaliation. Which, coincidentally, is exactly why we haven't yet had WWIII. No one wants to be responsible for opening pandora's box! With all the major super powers on the planet having nuclear weapons. We are in a perpetual nuclear stand off. Any country who gives up nuclear power is committing suicide!
To me, the reason Iran hasn't taken out Israel is fear of retaliations from US, UK, France, etc.
 
I prefer neither Iran nor Israel to have them.

Same here.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/pa...eatment-middle-eastern-nuclear-programs-11808
Israeli Nukes Meets Atomic Irony in the Middle East
Paul R. Pillar
December 6, 2014


The stated rationale for the United States casting on Tuesday one of the very lonely votes it sometimes casts at the United Nations General Assembly, on matters on which almost the entire world sees things differently, warrants some reflection. The resolution in question this time endorsed the creation of a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East and called on Israel to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to renounce any possession of nuclear weapons, and to put its nuclear facilities under the safeguards of the International Atomic Energy Agency. A nuclear weapons-free Middle East and universal adherence to the nonproliferation treaty are supposedly U.S. policy objectives, and have been for many years. So why did the United States oppose the resolution? According to the U.S. representative's statement in earlier debate, the resolution "fails to meet the fundamental tests of fairness and balance. It confines itself to expressions of concern about the activities of a single country."

You know something doesn't wash when the contrary views are as overwhelmingly held as on this matter. The resolution passed on a vote of 161-5. Joining Israel and the United States as “no” votes were Canada (maybe the Harper government was thinking of the Keystone XL pipeline issue being in the balance?) and the Pacific powers of Micronesia and Palau. The latter two habitually cast their UN votes to stay in the good graces of the United States; they have been among the few abstainers on the even more lopsided votes in the General Assembly each year calling for an end to the U.S. embargo of Cuba.

An obvious problem with the United States complaining about a resolution on a topic such as this being an expression of concern about the activities of only a single country is that the United States has been in front in pushing for United Nations resolutions about the nuclear activities of a single country, only just not about the particular country involved this time. The inconsistency is glaring. Iran has been the single-country focus of several U.S.-backed resolutions on nuclear matters—resolutions in the Security Council that have been the basis for international sanctions against Iran.

One could look, but would look in vain, for sound rationales for the inconsistency. If anything, the differences one would find should point U.S. policy in the opposite direction from the direction it has taken. It is Iran that has placed itself under the obligations of the nonproliferation treaty and subjects its nuclear activities to international inspection. Since the preliminary agreement to restrict Iran's nuclear program that was negotiated last year, those inspections are more frequent and intrusive than ever. Israel, by contrast, has kept its nuclear activities completely out of the reach of any international inspection or control regime. As for actual nuclear weapons, Iran does not have them, has declared its intention not to have them, and according to the U.S. intelligence community has not made any decision to make them. Neither Israel nor the United States says publicly that Israel has nuclear weapons, but just about everyone else in the world takes it as a given that it does, which would make it the only state in the Middle East that does.

One might look, but still in vain, for justifying discrepancies that go beyond the respective nuclear programs of the countries in question but still involve questions of regional security and stability. What about, for example, menacing threats? Iran and Israel have each had plenty of unfriendly words about each other. Iran's words have included bloviation about wiping something from pages of history; Israel's have included more pointed threats of military attack. What about actual attacks? Israel has initiated multiple wars with its neighbors, as well as launching smaller armed attacks; The Islamic Republic of Iran has not started a war in its 35-year history. Terrorism? Well, there were those assassinations of Iranian scientists, with some later attacks against Israelis being an obvious (and not very successful) attempt by Iran at a tit-for-tat response against those responsible for murdering the scientists. And so forth.

Singling out one country in a multilateral context can indeed cause problems. The resolution the General Assembly passed this week need not involve a problem, however, since it was not calling for differential treatment of anyone—only for Israel to get with the same program as any state in the Middle East that does not have nukes and adheres to the international nuclear control regime.

Iran, by contrast, is being treated much differently from anyone else. Tehran already has acquiesced to some of that differential treatment, but Iranians unsurprisingly wonder why Iran should be subjected to more such treatment, or indeed to any of it. They wonder, for example, why Iran should be subject to unique restrictions that several other non-nuclear-weapons states that also are parties to the nonproliferation treaty and enrich their own uranium are not. Such wonderment is almost certainly a factor in Iranian resistance to making the sorts of additional concessions that many in the United States are expecting or demanding that Iran make. The differential treatment should be kept in mind in any discussion in the United States about who has made bigger concessions than whom and about what would or would not constitute a fair and reasonable final agreement.

Then there is the irony—although Iranians might use a more bitter word than irony—of Israel leading the charge in constantly agitating about Iran's nuclear program (and by trying to torpedo an international agreement to restrict that program, making the issue fester and thus making it more possible for Israel's agitation to go on forever).
 
Israel is intelligent enough to make sure that they can strike back at any attacker who chooses to go nuclear. They are getting submarines in the last years, built here in my hometown, and they are very probably fitted with nuclear missiles.

And that is smart indeed. Unless total madmen are in control of the nuclear arsenal of enemy states - which I do not believe - this assures that they will not be attacked nuclear. Plus the Israelis have a very sophisticated sabotage force that has shown what it can do with the STUX attack

You better hope the Samson option isn't adopted by their policy makers.
 
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