Tube Site movies. How long is too long?

[Ace Bandage]

I've never paid for, nor do I plan to pay for any porn. Ever. If there aren't tube sites to watch it on, then I guess I don't need it anymore. Even if they tried to totally do away with it, they couldn't. There are always going to be pirated scenes floating around or places to go to download them. Look at Limewire or pirated DVDs. You can't prosecute every single person. It's not economically or logistically feasible. If somebody wants something bad enough, they're going to find it.

As for length: give me two minutes. I don't need Aronofsky plots or anything like that. Show me some boobs and vagina, and we're good to go. :thumbsup:

 

[lurkingdirk]

As for length: give me two minutes. I don't need Aronofsky plots or anything like that. Show me some boobs and vagina, and we're good to go. :thumbsup:

How 'bout a fine man booty and a splendidly shorn scrote?
:lovecoupl

 

[NBBCash Matze]

5min should be enough, a common vid length for legal tube sites!

 

[DreamSparrow]

The porn industry needs to embrace the Spotify model for music - free, legal streamed media from a P2P program supported by advertising, where people have the option to remove advertising with a monthly payment. The problem with this is it's going to be like herding cats - getting all these independent porn studios on board may be a trifle harder than doing it through big record labels.

 

[No_Man]

The porn industry needs to embrace the Spotify model for music - free, legal streamed media from a P2P program supported by advertising, where people have the option to remove advertising with a monthly payment. The problem with this is it's going to be like herding cats - getting all these independent porn studios on board may be a trifle harder than doing it through big record labels.

The porn industry has always been held back by its lack of organization. If the studios could form something equivalent to the MPAA and the performers something equivalent to the SAG, the entire industry would be revolutionized. They'd be able to do things like properly fight legal threats, lobby Congress to change the obscenity statutes, standardize content delivery, regulate wages and working conditions... all sorts of positive stuff. Most importantly, I think they'd present a far more professional face to the American public and seem less like a bunch of perverts with video cameras.

But alas... organizing the porn industry is like getting the mafia to go legitimate. Everytime it looks like it might actually work, someone goes and screws the pooch.

 

[Mikey Hunt]

On Red Tube, the average length is going up and up to the pint of ridiculous. I never bother to download anything more than 20 minutes and then it's gotta look good beforehaan.

3 movies, simaltanously downloading at 9 1/2 minutes each is ideal.

 

[RealBustyLatina]

I've noticed many content owners have started to use tube sites to show their material. That's a great fucking idea...free advertising!!!!

Why the hell would you want to market your "pay site" to a bunch of freeloaders who don't want or aren't willing to pay for porn.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Aww. Boo-hoo on free tube sites. If tube sites go down I still have TGP sites to get some nice galleries and clips from.

There will always be people who buy porn because they are highly addicted to it. Or want to personally support their favorite star in some form or another.

Personally I do not see the need to buy it. That is why I do not go to strip clubs either and never will. Because why would I pay for something that I can get for free on the internet and still have a good time? Especially when FreeOnes is involved.

 

[Hot Mega]

Why the hell would you want to market your "pay site" to a bunch of freeloaders who don't want or aren't willing to pay for porn.

All advertising is good advertising?:dunno: It is a tried and trued method.:hatsoff:

Freeloading only works to a point...otherwise no one would be making ANY money after the advent of tube sites.

It is worthwhile (I believe) for some content owners to get as much free exposure as they can. That's why some DO add their content to tube sites. It works.

 

[titsrock]

Are you seriously openly endorsing tube sites in a forum that's full of hard working ladies? GTFO.

I recently found out that in the 1950s, cigarette companies used to mail sample cigarettes to adults (or kids, whoops!) in order to get adults (and kids) hooked on smoking.

The tube sites seem intended to get random adults watching a lot more porn, to make it "normal" entertainment, not to screw over the talent.

I am for an ideal system that puts the control/power of the content in the hands of the stars, ultimately...:hatsoff:

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Why the hell would you want to market your "pay site" to a bunch of freeloaders who don't want or aren't willing to pay for porn.

Look at the music industry. People can simply go to YouTube and listen to music for free. That does not deter them from wanting to buy the CD. Radiohead put their whole album on their website to download for free before the actual CD release and had high sales records despite it being free download.

It was a point showing sales will remain fine and not alter as much as people may like to think it will. It only alters if people go around being assholes and wanting to sue 12-year-olds for downloading a song for hundred thousand dollars or however much it was. Or if you are Lars Ulrich. Don't be the Lars Ulrich of porn. That was a neutral statement, I'm not saying that's you... Covering my bases here.

People who want to buy porn will always buy porn for whatever reason. Just as people who want to buy a CD or movie will always buy the CD or movie. Just because someone watches a tube video for a few minutes, gets off, doesn't mean the industry is losing out any more money than if that video is not posted and they watch another one. Or a sample clip.

 

[RealBustyLatina]

Look at the music industry. People can simply go to YouTube and listen to music for free. That does not deter them from wanting to buy the CD.

It's a known fact that record/dvd sales are DOWN since the advent of p2p sharing software like napster limewire etc. Sales are no where near where they were in the last few decades. In fact people are coming out and saying why the hell should they pay for something when its readily available for free online. So don't try to come here and say its helping sales when it's clearly not.

And by the way, RadioHead had a huge following of fans that would have bought there records regardless of if it was free or not. Had RadioHead been a new band that no one ever heard of I guarantee sales would not have been so stellar.

 

[Hot Mega]

People who want to buy porn will always buy porn for whatever reason. Just as people who want to buy a CD or movie will always buy the CD or movie. Just because someone watches a tube video for a few minutes, gets off, doesn't mean the industry is losing out any more money than if that video is not posted and they watch another one. Or a sample clip.

Agreed. Tube sites are user defined and are only limited to what people u/l to them....if a person has a favorite performer, scene or whatever..they are still going to go purchase specific content from that performer.

IMO tube sites increase the notoriety and popularity of many porn actresses that may otherwise go unnoticed. It's like with everything, the people at the top who have the big machinery putting them out there already hate it, the people who struggle getting their material out or noticed love it (or should).

 

[~~whimsy~~]

It's a known fact that record/dvd sales are DOWN since the advent of p2p sharing software like napster limewire etc. Sales are no where near where they were in the last few decades. In fact people are coming out and saying why the hell should they pay for something when its readily available for free online. So don't try to come here and say its helping sales when it's clearly not.

And by the way, RadioHead had a huge following of fans that would have bought there records regardless of if it was free or not. Had RadioHead been a new band that no one ever heard of I guarantee sales would not have been so stellar.

No. People caught wind of it and wanted to support a band that isn't being uptight and assholes and the band wanted to prove the sales will still be grand despite it being free for download.

They showed that. Metallica runs around, at least Lars Ulrich, bitching and moaning about Napster because he didn't like any thing. Then Lars turns around and asks for a free copy of a video game; instead of going out and buying it. Double standard.

We all do something to save money. Frankly, porn, well I think paying bills and getting food in the fridge is more important than going out and spending $24 on a porno to watch some girl get fucked for an hour and be bored with it only 1/4th the way through.

Therefore, tubesites, someone gets to see if they like it and if they want to buy it they can. If they are not going to buy it... well in the end they aren't going to buy it regardless.

Like I said: people will buy what they want to buy. A video on a tube site will not change that. At all.

People who don't give a shit about buying porn. Well, get it on a tube site, enjoy it, and move on. Saves $24 on a porn DVD.

Those who come on and start complaining about tube sites and all that silliness. Oh, gee, too bad. In the end, if the porno industry decided to take it to the lawsuit area, then they will be spending more money than they will be making it in court costs and legal fees. Therefore, instead of fighting it, join it. Because in the end, as I said originally, people will buy what they want to buy. And there is obviously a lot of folks out there wanting to buy porn. Go thank them. Let them know you are appreciated for their purchases.

As for tubesites... it's pretty much for people who don't want to buy it. If they like something they might buy it to support it.

Same with music. People will listen to radio, MTV, FUSE, whatever. If they want to buy it they will. If not, they will continue to listen to it on radio or TV as they see fit. That is that.

No different than a tube site.

 

[Wizard Sleeves]

I want a source that tells me that you know p2p is the reason DVD sales are down. There are several reasons why DVD sales would be down, not just from p2p. Tough economic times, renting movies, buying them via dish satellite and demand, only 2-3 good movies actually come out per year, and blu-ray was a let down.

 

[mrtrebus]

 

[BlueBalls]

It's a known fact that record/dvd sales are DOWN since the advent of p2p sharing software like napster limewire etc. Sales are no where near where they were in the last few decades. In fact people are coming out and saying why the hell should they pay for something when its readily available for free online. So don't try to come here and say its helping sales when it's clearly not.

Is it not the case that the vast majority of people who download music also - on average - spend more on media (CDs, DVDs etc) than those that don't [LINK]. No, it is not just the advent of p2p sites that have lead to the falling sales of the music industry, it is the ubiquitous nature of the internet itself that has lead us to this. There's just more entertainment available today for the average user than there ever has been before (through sites like Youtube and myspace etc) and through this process of web browsing for entertainment the type of media you're talking about just doesn't have the power over the consumer it once had to keep its strangle hold over the market. So of course it's all well and good to complain about those who use these p2p sites but in the grand scheme of things it is the record company or production company bosses who have allowed this to occur by not following societal trends and sticking by the older out of date sales methods.

 

[Hot Mega]

It's a known fact that record/dvd sales are DOWN since the advent of p2p sharing software like napster limewire etc. Sales are no where near where they were in the last few decades. In fact people are coming out and saying why the hell should they pay for something when its readily available for free online. So don't try to come here and say its helping sales when it's clearly not.

And by the way, RadioHead had a huge following of fans that would have bought there records regardless of if it was free or not. Had RadioHead been a new band that no one ever heard of I guarantee sales would not have been so stellar.

It's a double edged sword. P2P sharing may have dipped sales but the impact on increasing notoriety of performers and bands is undeniable. Add to that fact that it has given those who's product wouldn't see the light of day if left to the "industry" a chance to market themselves.

Embrace and use it, wasting resources and energy fighting it is pretty futile IMO.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Agreed. Tube sites are user defined and are only limited to what people u/l to them....if a person has a favorite performer, scene or whatever..they are still going to go purchase specific content from that performer.

IMO tube sites increase the notoriety and popularity of many porn actresses that may otherwise go unnoticed. It's like with everything, the people at the top who have the big machinery putting them out there already hate it, the people who struggle getting their material out or noticed love it (or should).

Indeed. I never knew about Bobbi Starr if it wasn't for a tube site. Now I am a fan. However, Caroline Pierce, she made it clear to me during a conversation that she doesn't see the money if a DVD gets bought or not.

So that means just the company does. The company hires the work; produces it and collects the money to be able to hire the work again. Obviously companies aren't too pissed off about it. In fact, in this thread, I read where some will use tube sites to promote their stuff.

Makes sense. It's free publicity.

I know some sites do NOT like having their stuff out there for free. RealityKings being one of them. They are strict about it. As well as other companies.

Ah well...

 

[RealBustyLatina]

No. People caught wind of it and wanted to support a band that isn't being uptight and assholes and the band wanted to prove the sales will still be grand despite it being free for download.

They showed that. Metallica runs around, at least Lars Ulrich, bitching and moaning about Napster because he didn't like any thing. Then Lars turns around and asks for a free copy of a video game; instead of going out and buying it. Double standard.

We all do something to save money. Frankly, porn, well I think paying bills and getting food in the fridge is more important than going out and spending $24 on a porno to watch some girl get fucked for an hour and be bored with it only 1/4th the way through.

Therefore, tubesites, someone gets to see if they like it and if they want to buy it they can. If they are not going to buy it... well in the end they aren't going to buy it regardless.

Like I said: people will buy what they want to buy. A video on a tube site will not change that. At all.

People who don't give a shit about buying porn. Well, get it on a tube site, enjoy it, and move on. Saves $24 on a porn DVD.

Those who come on and start complaining about tube sites and all that silliness. Oh, gee, too bad. In the end, if the porno industry decided to take it to the lawsuit area, then they will be spending more money than they will be making it in court costs and legal fees. Therefore, instead of fighting it, join it. Because in the end, as I said originally, people will buy what they want to buy. And there is obviously a lot of folks out there wanting to buy porn. Go thank them. Let them know you are appreciated for their purchases.

As for tubesites... it's pretty much for people who don't want to buy it. If they like something they might buy it to support it.

Same with music. People will listen to radio, MTV, FUSE, whatever. If they want to buy it they will. If not, they will continue to listen to it on radio or TV as they see fit. That is that.

No different than a tube site.

Why don't you take Econ 101. It's supply and demand. There is sooo much supply of porn out there given away for free that it lowers the demand of the product. Cut out the tube sites and you cut off the supply of free crap making the membership sites even more valuable.

What do you do for a living? Sell cheeseburgers? Ok how bout I come in tomorrow and you give me a free cheeseburger cause im too cheap to buy it. Then your boss losses money and fires your ass giving away free cheeseburgers.

What industry or business in the world survives on this type of business model. NONE!!!

And the porn industry will not either. It will change. And it will look nothing like it looks now. Tube sites and all will be GONE.

So stop trying to justify the existence of an illegal system just cause youre too cheap to buy the stuff cause when its all gone what will you be left masturbating to? The bra section of the Sears catalogs I guess.