Trump Administration : Detaining kids without blankets, soaps or toothbrushes is fine

Detained migrant children got no toothbrush, no soap, no sleep. It’s no problem, government argues.


The government went to federal court this week to argue that it shouldn’t be required to give detained migrant children toothbrushes, soap, towels, showers or even half a night’s sleep inside Border Patrol detention facilities
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The position bewildered a panel of three judges in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit on Tuesday, who questioned whether government lawyers sincerely believed they could describe the temporary detention facilities as “safe and sanitary” if children weren’t provided adequate toiletries and sleeping conditions. One circuit judge said it struck him as “inconceivable."

“To me it’s more like it’s within everybody’s common understanding: If you don’t have a toothbrush, if you don’t have soap, if you don’t have a blanket, it’s not safe and sanitary,” Senior U.S. Circuit Judge A. Wallace Tashima told Justice Department lawyer Sarah Fabian. “Wouldn’t everybody agree to that? Would you agree to that?”
Fabian said she thought it was fair to say “those things may be” part of the definition of safe and sanitary.
“What are you saying, ‘may be?’” Tashima shot back. “You mean, there’s circumstances when a person doesn’t need to have a toothbrush, toothpaste and soap? For days?”

The government was in court to appeal a 2017 ruling finding that child migrants and their parents were detained in dirty, crowded, bitingly cold conditions inside U.S. Customs and Border Protection facilities along the southern border. Migrants are first taken to those facilities after they are apprehended at the border.
But although the conditions that were the subject of the 2017 ruling date back to the Obama administration, the testy court exchange comes as the Trump administration confronts an unprecedented migrant surge that has overwhelmed facilities and caused serious health and safety risks within them. At least six child migrants have died since September, mostly after falling ill at detention facilities in the Rio Grande Valley. In this case, the Trump administration has continued to fight the 2017 ruling that sought to remedy deplorable conditions within these same facilities, at times blaming Congress for not providing enough resources to address the crisis.

U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee had found that migrants in Rio Grande Valley facilities were hungry, with some eating only “sandwiches of two pieces of dry bread and one slice of ham.” They were thirsty, with up to 20 migrants sharing the same cup to drink from the water cooler. They were embarrassed to use a toilet in front of 50 other people and they couldn’t take a shower or brush their teeth or even wash their hands with soap and dry them with a towel, the judge found. At night, they couldn’t sleep. The lights were left on, as they shivered beneath an aluminum blanket on the concrete floor, the judge found.

Gee ruled in June 2017 that these Obama-era conditions violated a 1997 settlement agreement requiring that immigrant children in the government’s custody be housed in “safe and sanitary” conditions, and that the government maintain “concern for the particular vulnerability of minors.”
But the Trump administration protested. The 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores Settlement Agreement, didn’t say anything about providing a “toothbrush,” “towels,” “dry clothing,” “soap,” or even “sleep,” the administration has argued.
Therefore, the government now reasons, they shouldn’t be found in violation of the “safe and sanitary” requirement for not providing those necessities.

Fabian did not get the first word as she prepared to make this portion of her argument on Tuesday. Before she began, U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon appeared concerned that Fabian may be wasting the judges’ time.
Are you really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?” Berzon asked.

Fabian said she wanted to focus on the “language” in the settlement agreement, arguing that the judge was wrong to order the government to provide items not specifically named in the binding law. The worry was that “any number of things” might fall within the category of “safe and sanitary,” Fabian said. Essentially, how was the government supposed to know when it was in violation of such vague terms?
Perhaps it is “relatively obvious,” offered U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher.
“And [it’s] at least obvious enough so that if you’re putting people into a crowded room to sleep on a concrete floor with an aluminum foil blanket on top of them, that doesn’t comply with the agreement,” he said. “I mean, it may be that they don’t get super-thread-count Egyptian linens. I get that. But the testimony that the district court believed was, it’s really cold — in fact, it gets colder when we complain about it being cold. We’re forced to sleep crowded with the lights on all night long.”
No one would argue that this is safe and sanitary,” he said. “Or at least I don’t think that you’re arguing that. Are you?”
Fabian conceded that arguing about proper sleeping conditions was the most complex side of her argument. So Berzon asked, “What is your strongest argument then?”

Fabian turned to the problem of “enumerating certain hygiene items.”
“Again,” Fletcher said. “It wasn’t perfume soap. It was soap. It wasn’t high-class mild soap. It was soap. And that sounds like it [falls in the category] of safe and sanitary. Are you disagreeing with that?”
On it went, before Fletcher agreed with Tashima’s interpretation of her argument that the government thinks “safe and sanitary” is “so vague that it’s almost unenforceable.”

Neither Fabian nor the judges addressed whether the government thinks conditions have improved at its Rio Grande Valley detention facilities since the 2017 ruling. But recent reports, as well as admissions by administration officials, suggest conditions haven’t improved as the immigration system is stretched at its seams.

Acting Homeland Security secretary Kevin McAleenan testified at a Senate Judiciary Hearing last week, described conditions as “inappropriate,” and said the vast majority of migrants apprehended at the border are children and families.

Last month, in the largest temporary detention center in McAllen, Tex., CBP had to quarantine 32 migrants who were diagnosed with the flu, soon after a 16-year-old boy from Guatemala died. He had been diagnosed with the flu at the same overcrowded facility, where dozens of migrants are held behind chain-link fences in pens, sleeping on the concrete floor with aluminum-foil blankets.

Elsewhere, conditions are still bad. A recent internal DHS report found “egregious violations of detention standards” at facilities in Adelanto, Calif., and Essex County, N.J. The violations included expired food, nooses found in cells and bathrooms that were “dilapidated and moldy.”
“At one facility, detainees were not provided appropriate clothing and hygiene items to ensure they could properly care for themselves,” DHS’s Office of the Inspector General wrote in the inspection report.

At Tuesday’s hearing, the plaintiffs’ attorney, Peter Schey, offered definitions from Webster’s dictionary to aid judges in assessing the government’s arguments about whether certain hygiene products fell under “safe and sanitary.”
Schey said, “Certainly the Border Patrol facilities are secure. But they’re not safe, and they’re not sanitary.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...toothbrush-soap-sleep/?utm_term=.69f30283fba5



The Trump Administration Has Let 24 People Die in ICE Custody


Two dozen immigrants have died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement since President Donald Trump’s inauguration, according to a new NBC News analysis of federal data.
That figure doesn’t include the deaths of at least four immigrants who died shortly after being released from ICE custody.
It also doesn’t include the deaths of immigrants held by other federal agencies, including at least five migrant children who have died while in the custody of Customs and Border Protection or the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services charged with caring for unaccompanied migrant children who enter the U.S.

Advocacy groups that work with migrants attribute the death toll to substandard conditions in more than 200 detention centers across the country. “What we're seeing is a reckless and unprecedented expansion of a system that is punitive, harmful and costly,” Katharina Obser, a senior policy adviser at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told NBC. “The U.S. government is not even doing the bare minimum to ensure [immigrants] are getting the medical care and the mental health care they need.”

An ICE spokesperson told NBC News that in-custody deaths are “exceedingly rare,” adding that ICE “takes very seriously the health, safety and welfare of those in our care, including those who come into ICE custody with prior medical conditions or who have never before received appropriate medical care.”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...stration-has-let-24-people-die-in-ice-custody
 

georges

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Supafly

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If there were a god, Pence would go straight to hell. Trump, hey, he already would have been gone ages ago.
 
[
B]ICE Agents Left 5-Year-Old Children in a Parked Van for 39 Hours


And the federal government will no longer fund English classes or legal aid for unaccompanied minors.[/B]

In July of 2018, 37 detained migrant children boarded vans in Texas so they could be reunited with their parents at the Port Isobel Detention Center. But when they reached the Immigration and Customs Enforcement–run detention facility, they had to wait. And wait. It took 39 hours and two nights spent sleeping in vans for the last child to be processed and reunited with their family, with most of the 5- to 12-year-olds waiting at least 23 hours in the center's parking lot.

All of this is according to a story from NBC News, which obtained e-mails from BCFS Heath and Human Services, a nonprofit and government contractor that was responsible for transporting the children. Per NBC News:

At 10:30 p.m. local time Sunday, July 15, 2018, Andrew Carter, the BCFS regional director responsible for the children, e-mailed Kevin Dinnin, the company's president and CEO, to alert him to the fact that the 37 children had been waiting for eight hours and not a single one had been processed for reunification.

"The children were initially taken into the facility, but were then returned to the van as the facility was still working on paperwork," explained Carter. "The children were brought back in later in the evening, but returned to the vans because it was too cold in the facility and they were still not ready to be processed in."

Once the BCFS staff realized that ICE wouldn't complete the processing by nightfall, they brought more vans in to give the children room to sleep. ICE reportedly told the staff that if they brought the children back to the center where they'd been held, just a half hour away, it would delay the processing even more.

A former official with Health and Human Services, the agency that's tasked with taking care of detained children, told NBC News that the blame falls squarely on ICE's parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security. "DHS was clearly not ready to deal with the separations and did not take steps necessary to ensure a speedy reunification with their parents," the official said, adding that if DHS had its act together, then "the impact on the kids would have been much less."

"The impact would have been less" is a very clinical way to refer to the trauma that the U.S. is forcing on elementary-school-age children. But the kids in this story are at least back with their families—for unaccompanied minors, the situation is likely to keep getting worse. Health and Human Services has taken into custody 40,800 unaccompanied children this year, a more than 50 percent increase from the year before. The agency is legally required to move them from detention facilities to more child-appropriate places as quickly as they can. On Wednesday, the Trump administration announced that it would be cutting funding for anything deemed "not directly necessary for the protection of life and safety," according to e-mails obtained by The Washington Post. That includes education services, like English classes, recreational activities, including soccer, and legal aid.

According to the Post, an HHS official called these costs for unaccompanied children fleeing violence in Central America "unallowable."
https://www.gq.com/story/ice-childr...ite-share&utm_brand=gq&utm_social-type=earned
 
Former Taliban and Somali pirate prisoners point out that unlike migrant children, they got toothpaste and soap


Prisoners of some of the world's worst terrorist groups had a privilege that many migrant children don't.

Reports had already indicated that migrant children were being held in disgusting conditions in U.S. detention centers, and last week, that story came to a head as a video showed a Trump administration lawyer arguing that toothpaste and soap aren't necessary to constitute "safe and sanitary" conditions. That viral footage prompted a response from Michael Scott Moore, who tweeted Saturday that "Somali pirates gave me toothpaste and soap."

Moore would know. He was kidnapped by Somali pirates in 2012 and was held for two and a half years before he was released. His response then got some backup from David Rohde, who tweeted that "the Taliban gave me toothpaste and soap." The journalist was kidnapped by Taliban members in 2008 and held for eight months before escaping.


An Associated Press report last week first described conditions at a Clint, Texas detention facility, where there was "inadequate food, water and sanitation for the 250 infants, children and teens" being held there. A doctor who visited the facility later filed a report saying it "could be compared to torture facilities." All but 30 of those children have since been taken out of the facility and to a tent detention center, Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-Texas) told AP on Monday. Kathryn Krawczyk
https://board.freeones.com/showthre...shes-is-fine&p=10555829&posted=1#post10555829

US prisonners to the Talibans or to Somali pirates got were treated better than mirant detainees are in ICE facilities...
The Trump presidency will go down in History books as one of the darkest pages in US History.
 

ChuckFaze

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The Trump Administration Has Let 24 People Die in ICE Custody
:facepalm: This is top grade A Bullshit!
How do you explain the 19-year old Mexican migrant's death who was found this morning nearby here at the border ... on the USA side ... NOT in the custody of the Border Patrol? Neither Trump, the Border Patrol nor any Republicans were anywhere near that woman when she died. There have been various other deaths that I mentioned on another thread whereby the migrants died while NOT in the custody of Border Patrol. So NO! You cannot just up and blame all these deaths on the Border Patrol, ICE, Trump or the Republicans.

The migrants put their lives in jeopardy from the get go of their ill-advised journey. There IS a high risk of death via different manners for ALL of them. The ones that have died while in Border Patrol custody has nothing to do with Border Patrol custody. That is just by chance. They were gonna die SOMEWHERE by their foolish actions. It just happens that some are in Border Patrol custody at the time when their foolish actions catch up to them.

Neither Trump, Border Patrol, ICE or Republicans invited the migrants to embark on their foolish idea of coming here without adequate food, water, clothing, medicines ... and basically a fucking PLAN! Now the Democrats on the other hand. Democrats HAVE invited the migrants full force all along both verbally and by their actions. Democrats are the ones who have their hands full of blood with all these migrant deaths.
 

ChuckFaze

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Neither Trump, Border Patrol, ICE or Republicans are pushing the migrants into the Rio Grande and the canals whereby various migrants have died / drowned. They do that all on their own.

In fact, yesterday 2 soldiers rescued a woman and her child from a canal where they were having trouble staying above water. They were no doubt probably seconds or a few minutes from drowning. So there would have been yet another statistic .......... another drowning having nothing to do with Trump, Border Patrol, ICE or Republicans.

And there will undoubtedly be more deaths / drownings because THEY the migrants are putting themselves in those death-taunting situations. They are playing migrant roulette.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

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The OP has started off with a flaw. This policy of separating parents was started in......1997 and every POTUS since, including Bohama, has continued. And as someone who has detained families at the border for a while, I can unequivocally state that the quality of conditions are far better than portrayed. People did not go without essentials. Children were well treated and efforts were made to determine if the adults they were crossing with were relatives and not traffickers. The laws and policies set were to primarily ensure children's safety above all other concerns, hence the involvement of HHS. We didn't place them arbitrarily in detention cells.

The current administration doesn't place children in chain link enclosed cells. That was Stompy Foot. And depending upon who you talk to, between 11 and 25 children died while in custody during the Bohama years. Oh yeah, that asshole allegedly had more people deported than any other POTUS.

Any child's death is tragic. But all of these deaths are avoidable. Especially that drowning of a two year old and his father. The easiest way to avoid the dangers of crossing the US/Mexico border is to not attempt to cross that border illegally in the first place.
 

xfire

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According to USA Today- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-obama-started-family-separation/1540733001/

"previous administrations did not have a blanket policy to prosecute parents and separate them from their children." It was after the Trump administration announced its "zero-tolerance" immigration policy in April 2018, in which everyone who illegally entered the U.S. was referred for criminal prosecution, that thousands of migrant children were separated from their parents.

Migrant apprehensions and deportations during Obama's presidency outpaced those of Trump's first years according to Department of Homeland Security data and a report published Friday by Axios. But PolitiFact found that family separations were rare during the Obama and Bush administrations and became "systematic" under Trump's zero-tolerance policy.

Trump's, "Zero-Tolerance" policy is the real issue, no other Administration has had a Zero-Tolerance policy.
 
Any child's death is tragic. But all of these deaths are avoidable.
Unfortunately ICE and Trump's administration do not even try to do the bare minimum to prevent the death of kids in their custody
 

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According to USA Today- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-obama-started-family-separation/1540733001/

Trump's, "Zero-Tolerance" policy is the real issue, no other Administration has had a Zero-Tolerance policy.

It is better to have a zero tolerance immigration based policy rather than letting illegals and criminals enter in the country.

Obama’s ICE Chief: Those Cages For Illegal Kids Were Built By Obama Administration
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/oba...lnNT2vN8Jy7SmKD9_ysUjgL6DxymKNTmPxf2QsPmoqWfc

Keep saying nonsense as usually do :rolleyes::facepalm::thefinger:
 

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xfire

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It is better to have a zero tolerance immigration based policy rather than letting illegals and criminals enter in the country. Keep saying nonsense as usually do :rolleyes::facepalm::thefinger:

Poor triggered George, such thin skin. wah wah. But he's ok with children dying in ICE and HHS custody, real tuff guy.
 

georges

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xfire

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learn to read what I wrote above Obama’s ICE Chief: Those Cages For Illegal Kids Were Built By Obama Administration you voted for Obama who encouraged it not me, so please cut off the

Read the article I linked to from USA Today in Post #12. Durrrrr Wooden Shpoon

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Ace Boobtoucher

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Unfortunately ICE and Trump's administration do not even try to do the bare minimum to prevent the death of kids in their custody

ICE has nothing to do with the detention of illegal aliens apprehended at the border. Their task is to capture dangerous aliens already in the US. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with those deaths. Those occurred while they were in HHS custody. And your assertion that they don't even try to provide care for anyone is laughable. There are teams of medical personnel at every detention center and processing center diagnosing and providing care for those people.

If you look at the differences from Bohama era detention centers until today, you would note that the majority of the children are in dormitory structures with real beds and blankets (Wayfair walkout?) and kept entertained with everything from movies to video games. This bullshit about not giving them bare necessities is pure propaganda perpetuated by assholes like Alexandria Nina Pinta Santa Maria Cortez and Pelosi Galore to influence weak-minded people.
 
If you look at the differences from Bohama era detention centers until today, you would note that the majority of the children are in dormitory structures with real beds and blankets (Wayfair walkout?) and kept entertained with everything from movies to video games. This bullshit about not giving them bare necessities is pure propaganda perpetuated by assholes like Alexandria Nina Pinta Santa Maria Cortez and Pelosi Galore to influence weak-minded people.

BANG - dead solid perfect shot. :clap:

Not that any of the board ninnies are listening, or intellectually honest enough to recognize it.

After spending years in state-sponsored "detention", I can unreservedly tell you that this bullshit narrative the demtards are pushing is obstruction theater. Fuck 'em in the neck. Actually rooting for and encouraging illegal border crossing. Fuck those twat cabbages, deep, long, and hard, in the neck.

:loveeyes:
 
There are teams of medical personnel at every detention center and processing center diagnosing and providing care for those people.
Then why did 6 of these kids died ?
Why did a 16 years old teenagers died after being diagnosed with the flu ?
Why did he died in one of these facilities ?
If his condition was serious, why was he not trasported to an hospital where he could have received the care he needed ?

If you look at the differences from Bohama era detention centers until today, you would note that the majority of the children are in dormitory structures with real beds and blankets (Wayfair walkout?) and kept entertained with everything from movies to video games. This bullshit about not giving them bare necessities is pure propaganda perpetuated by assholes like Alexandria Nina Pinta Santa Maria Cortez and Pelosi Galore to influence weak-minded people.
That's not true and you know it.
The Trump administration is currently in trial for refusing to comply with a 2017 ruling seeking to remedy those deplorable conditions.

But the truth is the Trump administration doesn't want migrants to be detained in "humane" conditions.
They want the medias to spread the word that migrants are detained in horiible conditions. They want migrants to know that if they try to enter America, they could end spending weeks in a over-crowded facility, sleeping (or trying to) on the concrete floor with aluminum-foil blanket and the light on.
They want migrants to fear that if they try to come, they or their kids may die. And for that, they need actual deathes to happen in these facilities.
What AOC told about these facilities is 100% true. But, secretely, the Trump administration love that she said it. They are glad that some migrants would hear that they could en up in nazi-like concentration camps, even if that's not what she meant.
 
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