TITLE: Tribadism ~ The Last Porn Taboo.

[IsobelWren]

It's not AS stimulating as other things one can do with one's sex partner so I think it's a lot like hand jobs. You did it a lot in high school when it was the greatest thing ever, but now that you've discovered oral and fucking you've moved on. For me, it's arousing, but it doesn't provide significant contact with my clit to get me off if I'm with another girl or on someone's thigh or something.

...but I did have a boyfriend who would tie my elbows and wrists together behind me so that I couldn't use my hands to force him inside me. He'd put me on top of him in the girl on top position with his cock up against his belly. His hard cock would spread my labia wide open and reach every little hot spot and turn me on SO bad. He'd grab my hips and guide me up and down, back and forth. I just got hotter and wetter and more and more frustrated that I couldn't have his dick in me! After a few minutes it became a game to see if I could make him turned on enough that he'd fuck me or if I could be sneaky and slip him inside me in the process of rubbing on him. Of course, he'd almost always win, getting me to come before I got him to fuck me, but I think it was partly the game itself rather than just the rubbing that got me off. It was a different feeling orgasm too from the kind I normally have. Good times. I miss him now. lol.

Oh yeah, and I think you don't see it in porn for the same reason that I hate watching sybian footage. It's bo-ring! Sure, you know they're really worked up, girls rubbing pussies is hot...but, you can't SEE anything. I'm a very visual person myself, so other people must be too.

 

[neighborboy]

A lot of girls get off on seeing guys experience great pleasure.

It's a damn shame that a lot of guys don't feel the same way, cause if they did, tribadism would be more popular. It's something a lot of real life lesbians do, because it can feel very intimate and mutually pleasurable. They should show more of it in porn, but porn caters to men, and I guess some men aren't interested in seeing women having fun and getting pleasure. It's the same as guys not wanting to see girls squirt.

Fox

I think you're way off base here. The reason is visual, like Isobel said. When girls are scissoring their legs together, you can't see anything. A lot of porn uses body positioning to maximize the visual aesthetic, not necessarily the models' pleasure. That doesn't mean pleasure is irrelevant though. If men truly weren't concerned with women's pleasure and didn't find it erotic, then there wouldn't be so much moaning and screaming orgasms in porn, even if some or even most orgasms in porn are faked. To say nothing of all the porn out there where it's just a chick and her vibrator biting her lip. I really don't want to get into a squirting argument, but I think squirting is a visual thing too. Even if squirting is 100% real, and the jury is still out on that one no matter how many times we kick the arguments around, it still looks like piss. Opposition to it has nothing to do with female pleasure.

 

[IsobelWren]

There are lots of positions, such as woman on top, and doggy, and missionary, where naturally you might not be able to see the "intimate parts", as if that's all we're concerned with anyway, which it's not. They find innovative ways to show "everything" and there's no reason why they couldn't do the same with tribadism.

In my experience acting it's a lot easier to go, "okay honey, lift your leg so we can get a camera up in there" than "okay um, rub on him less hard for a second so we can get a camera in there" I still think that it's just an ease of filming kind of thing.

Sex between real life lesbians is often a lot more like tribadism and a lot less like porn lesbian sex, which is all for show, and all for men. I think porn is dominated by what men want from women,

Yes, because MANY more men buy porn than women the industry goes where the money is. Perhaps many lesbians rub on each other for sex, but when I've dated women it was mostly oral sex and fingering. Though when we were kissing and getting turned on we did rub on each other b/c that's sort of a natural thing women do, we clamp down on you and pump our hips when we're getting turned on.

and I think sex in general in our society is dominated by what men want from women, and that's why a lot of men have never heard of tribadism, and a lot of men don't believe that squirting exists.

I think that this is definitely right, but also I have to admit that I'D never heard of tribadism until this thread and I'm studying sex therapy. In the literature it's, "frotterism" (probably I've SICed that) and it's made to look like some kind of perversion. If you say to a guy something less clinical like, "hey, do girls rub on stuff to get off sometimes?" He'd probably go, "well yeah!" Guys don't believe that squiting exists b/c very few women can do it and b/c it looks like pee and some of the girls who are doing it in porn ARE peeing. The only way to know if it's pee or not is if you're right there in person.

The typical male fantasy is that a big penis and a lot of money is what it takes to please a woman. That's the porn ideal. ...

So tempting to simply reply, "it's not?" I think that humans in general are selfish and if we're not taught that it's important to please your partner and here's how to please your partner, then we won't try. Many women still feel that it's "dirty" to like sex, so they don't tell their partner how they want it. Lacking more information he does what he's seen in the only informational handbook he's got, porn.

The jury is not out on whether squirting is real.

You're right. It does happen. It's clinically proven that women can and do ejaculate. I think, like I said earlier, that the controversy is that female ejaculae looks like pee sometimes, since it comes out of the same hole, and that sometimes it is pee and some women can't do it at all. I can't tell when I'm going to do it, sometimes I think I'm going to do it and I pee instead (mortifying) and I've been with women on set who have squirted all over me (tasty) and some women who I've been with have been labeled, "squirting stars" but are simply incontinent during orgasm (was so grossed out). It's another one of those, "it's different for everyone" kind of things which is difficult for many people to parse.

 

[IsobelWren]

Also I think that once you see real squirting you'll never confuse it for peeing again. It looks totally different. If you're watching that super up close anatomical stuff you can see that the urethra everts (turns itself inside out) when a woman is truly ejaulating.

 

[IsobelWren]

Except for a couple of things, I basically agree with everything you said.

yay agreeeee. *hugs*

 

[MattSlogan]

It's not AS stimulating as other things one can do with one's sex partner so I think it's a lot like hand jobs. You did it a lot in high school when it was the greatest thing ever, but now that you've discovered oral and fucking you've moved on. For me, it's arousing, but it doesn't provide significant contact with my clit to get me off if I'm with another girl or on someone's thigh or something.

I've also heard that the Effort : Return ratio is quite high compared with other positions. However I find this quite erotic to watch as both girls are really putting their all into it and the orgasm at the end looks more satisfying since they've had to work a lot harder to get it.

I wouldn't suggest forcing models to do it if they don't enjoy it, cos who really wants to see that. How about we get rid of those models and find some who DO enjoy it as there is obviously some out there even if not very many.