This Country Is Tearing Apart At The Seams

gmase

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
Obama Makes Sense
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...le-with-snappy-slogans-like-defund-the-police
Obama: "The key is deciding, do you want to actually get something done, or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with?"

"One thing I will say about the Democratic Party is that promoting young people is really important ... and I think that there have been times where we stick so long with the same old folks and don't make room for new voices,”
 
gmase

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
gmase said:
Obama Makes Sense
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...le-with-snappy-slogans-like-defund-the-police
Obama: "The key is deciding, do you want to actually get something done, or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with?"

"One thing I will say about the Democratic Party is that promoting young people is really important ... and I think that there have been times where we stick so long with the same old folks and don't make room for new voices,”
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... and progressives don't like it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-progressives-push-back-on-obamas-comments-on
Obama: "You lost a big audience the minute you say [defund the police], which makes it a lot less likely that you're actually going to get the changes you want done,”

Obama is talking practical here. He's not taking the opening offer and thinking it is a reasonable end result.
 
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
gmase said:
... and progressives don't like it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-progressives-push-back-on-obamas-comments-on
Obama: "You lost a big audience the minute you say [defund the police], which makes it a lot less likely that you're actually going to get the changes you want done,”

Obama is talking practical here. He's not taking the opening offer and thinking it is a reasonable end result.
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Most are young and have absolutely no patience. Especially with the Old who they see as an impediment to progress.
 
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mongo18

bubb said:
Most are young and have absolutely no patience. Especially with the Old who they see as an impediment to progress.
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I think you're almost right, but not quite. I don't think it's that the young have no patience, it's that they're out of patience. If there's any good to come out of the trump administration it's that it really shone a light on how much those in government ignore the will of the people they're supposed to represent.
The richest nation in the world has problems with unemployment, homelessness, poverty level wages, starvation, lack of healthcare, shitty, overpriced education, human rights violations, environmental disasters, and on and on.
And for the last 4 years they've been watching ivanka toddle off to China with daddy on their dime to come prancing home with millions of dollars worth of trademarks. Or watching mcconnell stall a relief bill for months, and trump play golf, while Americans are starving and dying and being evicted from their homes. Or black people murdered in broad daylight, leading to mass protests of all races to say enough with the bullshit, but what has been done?

They're at the point where they're done being ignored. They have demands, and at least right now, seemingly no interest in backing down again. There has been an abundance of patience, but it's just about run out.
 
gmase

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
What is the will of the people? It's not a homogeneous concept. Is AOC representing my will? No and nor should she. She's representing the majority in her district. Just like my rep represents the will of a majority of citizens in my district. The issue arises when each party sticks to their opening offer as the only acceptable outcome. Typically, you would start there and try to work to a practical solution which is acceptable to everyone.

Is the young being out of patience unusual? It seems to be a fairly routine cycle. Think back to the 60's and the protests arising out of segregation and the Vietnam War.

There is no doubt more needs to be done. More is being done, but radical change doesn't happen in a democracy very quickly.

Back to the 🥔 field.
 
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
Maybe out of patience is a good idea for those who had some originally but I still lean more toward the idea of young being young. Not bad, nor lazy, just young. Experience teaches patience for most of us. Some never learn any.(see Trump, Donald) Remember younguns I lived through the 60's and do not wish to do so again.
 
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mongo18

You guys are talking like the unrest of the 60's was a regrettable thing that we would be better off without, but a lot of progress resulted that I'm sure a lot of Americans would not want to be living without now. Progress that started a movement that continues to this day.

And no, the will of the people is not homogeneous, but it sure isn't more handouts to billionaires. If you tell people "sorry, we can't improve your kids school because we're busy keeping people from becoming homeless," or "sorry, we can't build that new community medical center just yet because we're busy making the water here drinkable again" they might still grumble, but there's a good chance they'll be ok. But tell them "yeah, you're not getting any more economic support, while your children starve, but we're giving 50 billion to this airline whose CEO makes 100 million a year," and how much patience do you really expect them to have? I mean, Americans are seriously suffering right now, and mcconnell wants to make business lunches 100% tax deductible. It's beyond absurd.
The arguments about how best to represent the people will absolutely come, but right now, unless you're completely brainwashed, most people can see that their government isn't working for them. And they might be able to get away with that when the sun is shining, but when times get bad and all the people get from congress is another middle finger, they're taking a pretty big risk.


gmase said:
Back to the 🥔 field.
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A potato stacker can't be out in the field, haven't you read your union charter?
 
gmase

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
mongo18 said:
You guys are talking like the unrest of the 60's was a regrettable thing that we would be better off without, but a lot of progress resulted that I'm sure a lot of Americans would not want to be living without now. Progress that started a movement that continues to this day.

And no, the will of the people is not homogeneous, but it sure isn't more handouts to billionaires. If you tell people "sorry, we can't improve your kids school because we're busy keeping people from becoming homeless," or "sorry, we can't build that new community medical center just yet because we're busy making the water here drinkable again" they might still grumble, but there's a good chance they'll be ok. But tell them "yeah, you're not getting any more economic support, while your children starve, but we're giving 50 billion to this airline whose CEO makes 100 million a year," and how much patience do you really expect them to have? I mean, Americans are seriously suffering right now, and mcconnell wants to make business lunches 100% tax deductible. It's beyond absurd.
The arguments about how best to represent the people will absolutely come, but right now, unless you're completely brainwashed, most people can see that their government isn't working for them. And they might be able to get away with that when the sun is shining, but when times get bad and all the people get from congress is another middle finger, they're taking a pretty big risk.
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Movements have been around since the inception of time. Abolition and women's suffrage (just to pick two) are two additional examples of movements. I certainly DID NOT say movements are regrettable - just that the youth seem to kick them off.

I must have missed a recent comment about someone supporting handing out money to billionaires or supporting McConnell. Who around here is arguing that now?
 
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mongo18

gmase said:
I must have missed a recent comment about someone supporting handing out money to billionaires or supporting McConnell. Who around here is arguing that now?
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Nobody, but that's what's happening, and has been for a long time. And like I said, when things are ok and people are reasonably content those at the top might be able to get away with that. But when people are struggling like they are now, they're not going to keep standing by and watching their own money poured into the pockets of the already rich for long. And that's what's causing a lot of the discontent.
 
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Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.
"You guys are talking like the unrest of the 60's was a regrettable thing that we would be better off without, but a lot of progress resulted that I'm sure a lot of Americans would not want to be living without now. Progress that started a movement that continues to this day."Mongo18

I guess you had to be there
 
gmase

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
Eminem said it best:
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime

They blew their one shot.

The terrorists are not achieving their goals per se. [I don't give them credit for having any other than being weekend warriors.] Their collaborators (and in some cases their actual targets) looking the other way and giving them a free pass is the root cause. This nonsense continues because no one has the balls to stand up to them. Mitch, Pence, Kemp, et al. all want more. It is quite sad actually.
 
Ace Boobtoucher

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Honestly, if you avoid social media or mainstream media and just live your life, none of that extraneous shit will affect you.

Getting wrapped up in election hyperbole or pandemic hysteria, BLM bullshit or any other thing that distracts me from looking at tits is a waste of time.
 
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