The War on Drugs

Mariahxxx

Official Checked Star Member
Just like health care and guns, the war on drugs has people loyal to each side without any regard to the facts or the economic burden that comes with it.
The war on drugs as we know it was begun by president Nixon, but in reality it goes back to the late 1800's and early 1900's. The first anti-opium laws in the 1870s were directed at Chinese immigrants. The first anti-cocaine laws, in the South in the early 1900s, were directed at black men. The first anti-marijuana laws, in the Midwest and the Southwest in the 1910s and 20s, were directed at Mexican migrants and Mexican Americans. Today, Latino and especially black communities are still subject to wildly disproportionate drug enforcement and sentencing practices. The use of scare tactics on whites was highly successful as they were told that black men smoking weed and doing cocaine would become out of control and begin to rape white women. That's all they needed to hear to make it illegal and that's when the "down with brown" began in the drug war.

When Nixon declared the war on drugs in 1971 a big part of that was to combat the youth movement of rebellion that his conservative constituents were demanding. So he made weed a Class 1 narcotic just like heroine and cocaine. He created a commission to research the issue which was led by Republican Pennsylvania Governor Raymond Shafer. In 1972, the commission unanimously recommended decriminalizing the possession and distribution of marijuana for personal use. Nixon ignored the report and rejected its recommendations. He created mandatory sentencing and

By 1977 11 states had decriminalized pot and Jimmy Carter ran on a decriminalization platform but by 1980 that momentum was dead and the issue died as more teens were smoking weed and white parents were terrified that little Johnny and Suzie would become involved with Negroes and their way of life.

The when Reagan was elected in 1980 the wave of money into the war on drugs began. The funding made it possible to establish the DEA and take on a huge bureaucratic life of it's own. Every year since the funding has gone up, and is currently nearly $30 BILLION dollars a year. The Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" campaign was the beginning of a new era for punishing drug users. Mandatory sentences were created and a no-tolerance policy put into place. It was the same to have seeds in the carpet of your car as it was to have an ounce of cocaine in many states and still is. Florida where I live is a no-tolerance state and people go to state penitentiary for SMOKING weed. Not selling it. Not smuggling it. SMOKING it! Of course penalties for selling and importing are more severe.

The biggest losers in the war on drugs are brown people. A white kid living in the suburbs is very unlikely to be randomly stopped and frisked. Brown people are prosecuted at a rate of 40 - 1 over white people when it comes to drug use. For example, there was a guy in Beverly Hills a few years ago. He was in his late teens early twenties when he got started. He became the extacy king of LA. he was widely known as "THE GUY" I never met him but I heard about him. I used to like rolling back when I was 18 and new in the industry. I did it regularly for about a year until I just got sick of it. But he was the man, and was selling 50,000 hits of X a week. He was attending a private school and word got out what he was doing and made it's way to the Beverly Hills police Dept which contacted his school. His dean sat him down and told him they knew what he was doing and if he didn't stop he would be expelled. No arrest. No jail at all. Just a warning even though there are federal statutes for extacy. A black kid with an ounce of weed would have been in county and had a felony on his record, which keep them from voting (a key element to the war on drugs) and keeps them from having much of a chance in life at getting a real job. In Florida you have to have a background check done to rent an apartment.

There is a Federal Judge who retired because he refused to implement the mandatory sentencing. He said it perfectly "The war is un-winnable but imminently fund-able" with $30 billion a year comes a lot of power and that is intoxicating to politicians.

During the 1980s Reagan wanted to fund the Contras who were fighting the Russian-backed Sandanistas but congress refused to give him the blank check. So what did Ronny do? He put Oliver North in place in Nicaragua and the CIA flew tons of cocaine on US government plane to LA, which funded the Contra movement. It has been documented and proven beyond doubt that this happened. This is literally the birth of crack cocaine and you can thank the Republican hero Ronald Reagan for it. It was flown from Columbia to Nicaragua and then transfered to CIA cargo planes and flown directly to Los Angeles where it was distributed, much of it going to Freeway Rick Ross who was buying more than 2500 pounds of cocaine a WEEK turning it into crack and selling it to street level retailers. He was making hundreds of millions of dollars.

The Reagan administration actually admitted to some of this. Of course a very sugar-coated version. On April 17, 1986, the Reagan Administration released a three page report acknowledging that there were some Contra-cocaine connections in 1984 and 1985, arguing that these connections occurred at a time when the rebels were "particularly hard pressed for financial support" because U.S. aid had been cut off. The report admitted that "We have evidence of a limited number of incidents in which known drug traffickers have tried to establish connections with Nicaraguan resistance groups." The report tried to downplay the drug activity, claiming that it took place "without the authorization of resistance leaders".

The accusations that the CIA was involved was taken so seriously that the head of the CIA himself held a town hall meeting at a high school in Watts to refute the allegations. Little did he know that there would be DEA agents and police officers there who would verify that this was taking place.

One journalist, Garry Webb, reported this. he wrote a book that is fucking amazing and I highly recommend it. The title is Dark Alliance. Strangely enough Garry Webb at the age of 49 died of natural causes lol

To this day Oliver North is not permitted to step foot in Costa Rica for his part in the distribution of cocaine. Of course only one TV network would give someone like this their own show. HMmmmm, I wonder which network that would be???

I know this is a long one but I could write this for pages. This war is as big government as it gets yet it's backed without compromise by the republicans. They won't budge on any of these issues, not even marijuana. Drug use has increased.

But prison is now big business since it because privatized and prisoners are now customers, so of course the republicans will back it! Imagine if we decriminalized drugs and had to release all the people in prison for use! There would be some really pissed of CEO's on wall street.

So which side are you on? Keep fighting the war we can't win and spending tens of billions in the process? Or do we take a different approach since the one we are taking is a miserable failure?
 
Reagan was an actor right, blame the people for picking him.
 
You kicked a lot of doors open here Mariah. I'd like to respond to a few of the issues you raised.

First, mandatory sentencing guidelines applied by federal and state legislatures do not allow judges to actually apply justice accordingly. It's a clear power grab by legislatures that needs to be addressed in some matter so that judges can actually apply logical sentencing based on all the facts presented in a case, as opposed to simply reacting in a mandatory manner to a verdict.

Second, as a general statement, I agree that the war on drugs is ineffective, and needs to be addressed. I will admit, that when I think of the war on drugs, I look past the domestic issues, and recognize the need to continue to fight the cartels in their home countries. I think that whatever ones opinion is regarding legalizing, or decriminalizing drugs (or even some drugs, ie marijuana) it is imperative that we continue to battle the power and oppression cartels impose on people in their own countries, as well as ours.

And regarding CIA operations under Reagan, I have to say that regardless of what I think of any president, one thing that I do not hold against them is any covert operation that gets exposed and reported. I understand that sometimes, it is necessary for our government to allow military, and international law enforcement agencies to walk on the dark side. It's a nasty assed fucking world, and maintaining our security interests can be a dirty, but necessary business.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Problem is that the the hispanic http://latinoprisongangs.blogspot.com/ and black gangs http://blackprisongangs.blogspot.fr/ make of drugs very big money in order. Also we mustn't forget the motorcycle gangs who are also involved in these http://outlawbikergangs.blogspot.fr/. Drugs are something very bad for health and economy because it creates an underground economy especially where rivalry and ambition can lead to murder including killing innocents. For those who want to know more or fight gangs here are some links
http://www.streetgangs.com/
http://www.gangsorus.com/index.html
http://nwgangs.com/
I think killing gang members and their supporting crowd with wannabe ghetto gang bangers as well as their suppliers might clean in an effective way America from drugs.
 
Problem is that the the hispanic http://latinoprisongangs.blogspot.com/ and black gangs http://blackprisongangs.blogspot.fr/ make of drugs very big money in order. Also we mustn't forget the motorcycle gangs who are also involved in these http://outlawbikergangs.blogspot.fr/. Drugs are something very bad for health and economy because it creates an underground economy especially where rivalry and ambition can lead to murder including killing innocents. For those who want to know more or fight gangs here are some links
http://www.streetgangs.com/
http://www.gangsorus.com/index.html
http://nwgangs.com/
I think killing gang members and their supporting crowd with wannabe ghetto gang bangers as well as their suppliers might clean in an effective way America from drugs.

It´s a delicate subject but the problem of drugs, not is only of the gang hispanic and gang black, the people who buy that crap to consume is also guilty.
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
Problem is that the the hispanic http://latinoprisongangs.blogspot.com/ and black gangs http://blackprisongangs.blogspot.fr/ make of drugs very big money in order. Also we mustn't forget the motorcycle gangs who are also involved in these http://outlawbikergangs.blogspot.fr/. Drugs are something very bad for health and economy because it creates an underground economy especially where rivalry and ambition can lead to murder including killing innocents. For those who want to know more or fight gangs here are some links
http://www.streetgangs.com/
http://www.gangsorus.com/index.html
http://nwgangs.com/
I think killing gang members and their supporting crowd with wannabe ghetto gang bangers as well as their suppliers might clean in an effective way America from drugs.

He was 100 times better than O Douche and that leftist sob of Clinton

Why don't you tell us what you really think, outside of posting links to an obviously racist/prejudiced blog (which has little to no traffic and is most likely only visited by people like you) and simply restating what's already posted there? :rolleyes:

As for Reagan, I won't even dignify your "argument" with another, since it's clear that you're one of those few remaining French cowboys and there's no point to try and get you to even be civil regarding the current President.

Your view of the world and other races is so incredibly myopic I'm not surprised to see your post consist of maligning the left, as well as mentioning "ghetto gang bangers". I can only hope you're as opinionated and active in cleaning out your own backyard as well.

http://www.voanews.com/content/french-officials-work-to-stem-drug-wars-in-marseille/1529182.html
http://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-...ge-inside-the-drug-wars-of-marseille/c3s4524/
http://www.drugwar101.com/blog/archives/2220
http://plus.lefigaro.fr/note/who-are-the-480-street-gangs-of-france-20110318-425702

And before you go blaming Hollande for his left-wing politics and why it's his fault this hasn't improved, maybe you can explain why this happened under Sarkozy in the first place.
 
Street corner pharmacists have plenty of money to pay out for legal fees.

So naturally I support the WOD.
 
I have never done an illegal drug and feel the WOD is a necessary evil but see merit in legalizing weed. The tax revenue alone would be a major boost
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Why don't you tell us what you really think, outside of posting links to an obviously racist/prejudiced blog (which has little to no traffic and is most likely only visited by people like you) and simply restating what's already posted there? :rolleyes:

As for Reagan, I won't even dignify your "argument" with another, since it's clear that you're one of those few remaining French cowboys and there's no point to try and get you to even be civil regarding the current President.

Your view of the world and other races is so incredibly myopic I'm not surprised to see your post consist of maligning the left, as well as mentioning "ghetto gang bangers". I can only hope you're as opinionated and active in cleaning out your own backyard as well.

http://www.voanews.com/content/french-officials-work-to-stem-drug-wars-in-marseille/1529182.html
http://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-...ge-inside-the-drug-wars-of-marseille/c3s4524/
http://www.drugwar101.com/blog/archives/2220
http://plus.lefigaro.fr/note/who-are-the-480-street-gangs-of-france-20110318-425702

And before you go blaming Hollande for his left-wing politics and why it's his fault this hasn't improved, maybe you can explain why this happened under Sarkozy in the first place.
The blog or the sites you criticize are visited by several hundreds if not thousands of internauts so before calling someone racist/prejudiced, make sure that you know who are rotting in the biggest majority of the US prisons and for which reasons they are condemned to be there instead of brandishing as usual the race card as a counter argument.

Hollande was elected as president by 51% of idiots, all he does was and is to reject the fault on his predecessor Mr Sarkozy. But thing is that now, he is the president and when he was elected, he promised lots but did absolutely nothing since his election. He went opposite by taking ordinary people for idiots by increasing taxes, by having a laxist justice system, by destroying the remaining industries and delocalizing them where people are underpaid but on the opposite he prefers to create more civil servants jobs which are absolutely useless in time of crisis. For those who have known Mitterand and what were 14 years of socialist reign, know how catastrophic was the situation after him. When Hollande was the regional councilor of his own department, the Correze, he increased its deficit to a never seen level. Even Mitterand never wanted Hollande to work in his government back in the 80's because of his incompetence. I am well aware that Marseille is a shitty town, in fact a lot of French people consider it as the second capital of Algeria. Regarding minor criminals in France, they can't be prosecuted like adults or sent to reform school. The French general attorney Christiane Taubira who was also a former independantist decided to abolish the minimum sentences against young criminals, so how after that you want to talk about justice especially with a socialist government? I am always opinionated and active in cleaning out my own backyard as well. Don't worry
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
The blog or the sites you criticize are visited by several hundreds if not thousands of internauts so before calling someone racist/prejudiced, make sure that you know who are rotting in the biggest majority of the US prisons and for which reasons they are condemned to be there instead of brandishing as usual the race card as a counter argument.

Hollande was elected as president by 51% of idiots, all he does was and is to reject the fault on his predecessor Mr Sarkozy. But thing is that now, he is the president and when he was elected, he promised lots but did absolutely nothing since his election. He went opposite by taking ordinary people for idiots by increasing taxes, by having a laxist justice system, by destroying the remaining industries and delocalizing them where people are underpaid but on the opposite he prefers to create more civil servants jobs which are absolutely useless in time of crisis. For those who have known Mitterand and what were 14 years of socialist reign, know how catastrophic was the situation after him. When Hollande was the regional councilor of his own department, the Correze, he increased its deficit to a never seen level. Even Mitterand never wanted Hollande to work in his government back in the 80's because of his incompetence. I am well aware that Marseille is a shitty town, in fact a lot of French people consider it as the second capital of Algeria. Regarding minor criminals in France, they can't be prosecuted like adults or sent to reform school. The French general attorney Christiane Taubira who was also a former independantist decided to abolish the minimum sentences against young criminals, so how after that you want to talk about justice especially with a socialist government? I am always opinionated and active in cleaning out my own backyard as well. Don't worry

I'm not "brandishing the race card as usual", but you're just as eager to proclaim that the black and hispanic gangs are the cause of most to all drug related trafficking, murder, and the decline of the general economy because they have their own based on what else? Drugs. Yes, killing gang members, wannabe ghetto gang bangers, and motorcycle gangs will sure stunt the disease that is the criminal underground.

I can see you answered my question in its entirety...not. I asked if you're so concerned about drugs, gangs, gangbangers, the ghetto, explain what Sarkozy, someone centre right (dare I say the Reagan of France?) did to solve the problem IN FRANCE. I didn't ask you to point out how Hollande has flipflopped or how Mitterand left things in such a state.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Your wrong. The biggest loser in the war on drugs, are the tax payers that fund it. The ONLY reason drugs aren't legal, is because big pharmaceutical pumps way to much money into campaign contributions, to allow their investments to not return HUGE profits. There is no money in cures, only ongoing treatment. The war on drugs generates more profit, then the legalized selling of drugs. That 30 BILLION dollars does not all go to the war...it gets diverted to other little nasty government black ops. The government allows certain cartels to work, and others not to. The fast and the furious gun sting, in my opinion, is a cover for our government backing that particular cartel. The funniest thing is Regan, and his anti drug rhetoric...as he trades arms, for drugs, to fund the people we're fighting right now. The ones shooting at our helicopters, with our own stinger missiles. It's a fucking joke, and the American public should be outraged that our elected employees, are using our tax dollars in such a pathetic fashion.


George Clinton said:
YO-HO...........ROOF!!!
DOIN' IT DOGGY STYLE
U.S. Custom Coast Guard Dope Dog, nicknamed "BUST EM"
Like most dope sniffin' dogs, he's got a habit, trained to have to have it.
Pick up the tracks of the trafficker, and track em' like a rabbit up the coastline.
Canine controlled substance retriever.
Receiver of the "Golden Nose" award, for leadin' em' to the cash, cashin' in on the stash.
Now he's in line for his issue of the booty.
Never do a line in the line of duty, he's a dope dog.
U.S. Custom Coast Guard Dope Dog
Keen sense of smell trackin the tell-tale trails of Cartels,
Dope Boats, Big Dope
Never a gram or O.Z.. kilo too low key.
Gotta be tons a "P" blow, bales of lumbo.
When other dogs sniff at other dog's tails, he can track the profits from a dope sale straight to the stank account.
Big banks, bankin' on laundering, the dirty money no stinkin' he follows his nose.
And as the wind blows, he get a whiff, he take a sniff.
A Dope Dog
A Dope Dog
Old Mac Uncle had some drugs, C.I.A. I-O
And with those drugs he bought some arms,
C.I.A. I-O
It was a bang, bang here and a snort, snort there.
Bangs and snorts everywhere.
Old Mac Uncle starts a war, C.I.A. I-O
But the war on drugs is hell on Dope Dogs nose.
It smells where the nose goes when the doors close and the dealer want to hide the dope.
in the booty, in the twat.
Then they squat and make the dog sniff their bowel.
Foul, as they fart in his face.
DAMN for a shitty half gram.
A DOPE DOG.
U.S. Custom Coast Guard Dope Dog, nicknamed "Bust em"
Like most dope sniffin' dogs, he's got a habit, trained to have to have it.
Pick up the tracks of the trafficker, and track em' like a rabbit up the coastline.
Canine controlled substance retriever.
Receiver of the "Golden Nose" award
Dope Dog-A Dope Dog.
Out of the toxic waste comes a fox that wastes no time.
A genetically improved smell capability, the long and dragging tales of the possibilities of "clone canine."
Conceived under the influence of toxic wasted doctors.
Computer bugs debuggin' devices and vice verses and various viruses.
And until his retirement don't mention, no requirement nowhere in his pension for the upkeep, the keeping up of the habit.
The system have a habit of making sure you get, a habit that can't be kept up with unless you're a dope dog.

A Dope Dog
A Dope Dog
An undercover NARC with a bark.
He took a bite out of crime.
Posin' as a seein: eye dog he bit the blind,
the man with the cane in the coke.
Soon as the dope boat float, the media goes comatose.
Unrelated over-the-counter overdose now becomes drug-related.
Aided and abetted by alot of apprehension and indifference.
the bigger the headache the bigger the pill.
Take your medicine cause you gonna be ill when I tell you the deal on dope.
There's more profit in pretending that we're stopping it, then selling it.
Selling out, we're in for the shock of a lifetime.
Stop and we might find faces in primetime.
The faces of yours and mine.
Over the counter, under the counter.
On account of the drugs:
it's not the drugs that drag you through the mud.
It's the money. It ain't funny.
A Dope Dog.
A Dope Dog.
Old MacUncle has a bank: drugs are sure to flow.
BCC-I-CIA-DEA-IOU.S.
U.S. Custom Coast Guard Dope Dog, nicknamed "Bust em"
Like most dope sniffin' dogs, he's got a habit, trained to have to have it.
Pick up the tracks of the trafficker and track em' like a rabbit up the coastline.
Canine controlled substance retriever.
Receiver of the "Golden Nose" award, for leadin' em' to the cash, cashin' in on the stash.
Now he's in line for his issue of the booty.
Never do a line in the line of duty.
He's a dope dog.
A DOPE DOG.

He can smell the cargo on the boats and planes and trains and thangs
(dope dog)
He can smell the cargo on the boats and planes and trains and thangs
(dope dog)
A DOPE DOG
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
I'm not "brandishing the race card as usual", but you're just as eager to proclaim that the black and hispanic gangs are the cause of most to all drug related trafficking, murder, and the decline of the general economy because they have their own based on what else? Drugs. Yes, killing gang members, wannabe ghetto gang bangers, and motorcycle gangs will sure stunt the disease that is the criminal underground.

I can see you answered my question in its entirety...not. I asked if you're so concerned about drugs, gangs, gangbangers, the ghetto, explain what Sarkozy, someone centre right (dare I say the Reagan of France?) did to solve the problem IN FRANCE. I didn't ask you to point out how Hollande has flipflopped or how Mitterand left things in such a state.
At least Sarkozy didn't abolish the minimum sentences for minor criminals, and people that were under the condamnation of murder/drug trafficking/money laudering and racketeering couldn't be paroled.
Regarding the US, just look who lives in the shittiest and most dangerous neighborhoods but also who dreams of easy money, bling bling and living the gangsta style life
 
Your wrong. The biggest loser in the war on drugs, are the tax payers that fund it. The ONLY reason drugs aren't legal, is because big pharmaceutical pumps way to much money into campaign contributions, to allow their investments to not return HUGE profits. There is no money in cures, only ongoing treatment. The war on drugs generates more profit, then the legalized selling of drugs. That 30 BILLION dollars does not all go to the war...it gets diverted to other little nasty government black ops. The government allows certain cartels to work, and others not to. The fast and the furious gun sting, in my opinion, is a cover for our government backing that particular cartel. The funniest thing is Regan, and his anti drug rhetoric...as he trades arms, for drugs, to fund the people we're fighting right now. The ones shooting at our helicopters, with our own stinger missiles. It's a fucking joke, and the American public should be outraged that our elected employees, are using our tax dollars in such a pathetic fashion.

I don't often agree with you but you hit the nail on the head with this post
 

Elwood70

Torn & Frayed.
Your wrong. The biggest loser in the war on drugs, are the tax payers that fund it. The ONLY reason drugs aren't legal, is because big pharmaceutical pumps way to much money into campaign contributions, to allow their investments to not return HUGE profits. There is no money in cures, only ongoing treatment. The war on drugs generates more profit, then the legalized selling of drugs. That 30 BILLION dollars does not all go to the war...it gets diverted to other little nasty government black ops. The government allows certain cartels to work, and others not to. The fast and the furious gun sting, in my opinion, is a cover for our government backing that particular cartel. The funniest thing is Regan, and his anti drug rhetoric...as he trades arms, for drugs, to fund the people we're fighting right now. The ones shooting at our helicopters, with our own stinger missiles. It's a fucking joke, and the American public should be outraged that our elected employees, are using our tax dollars in such a pathetic fashion.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revidffum again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revidffum again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revidffum again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revidffum again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to revidffum again.
 
You will never get big corporations out of the drug business. Legalize them and it will open the door for testing of just about everyone.

Then everyone can bitch about their civil liberties being trampled upon and how the greedy corporations are making money hand over fist setting up testing centers all of the country.

Don't believe me? There are situations where people should not be under the influence of substances no matter if they are legal or not. Just like alcohol or prescribed drugs are legal but you can't operate a vehicle or perform certain jobs while under the influence.


The beat goes on.
 
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