“The thing about Bibi is, he’s a chickenshit”

Time to put my feet up on the desk and watch.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...s-israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/

The Crisis in U.S.-Israel Relations Is Officially Here
The Obama administration's anger is "red-hot" over Israel's settlement policies, and the Netanyahu government openly expresses contempt for Obama's understanding of the Middle East. Profound changes in the relationship may be coming.

The other day I was talking to a senior Obama administration official about the foreign leader who seems to frustrate the White House and the State Department the most. “The thing about Bibi is, he’s a chickenshit,” this official said, referring to the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, by his nickname.

This comment is representative of the gloves-off manner in which American and Israeli officials now talk about each other behind closed doors, and is yet another sign that relations between the Obama and Netanyahu governments have moved toward a full-blown crisis. The relationship between these two administrations— dual guarantors of the putatively “unbreakable” bond between the U.S. and Israel—is now the worst it's ever been, and it stands to get significantly worse after the November midterm elections. By next year, the Obama administration may actually withdraw diplomatic cover for Israel at the United Nations, but even before that, both sides are expecting a showdown over Iran, should an agreement be reached about the future of its nuclear program.

The fault for this breakdown in relations can be assigned in good part to the junior partner in the relationship, Netanyahu, and in particular, to the behavior of his cabinet. Netanyahu has told several people I’ve spoken to in recent days that he has “written off” the Obama administration, and plans to speak directly to Congress and to the American people should an Iran nuclear deal be reached. For their part, Obama administration officials express, in the words of one official, a “red-hot anger” at Netanyahu for pursuing settlement policies on the West Bank, and building policies in Jerusalem, that they believe have fatally undermined Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace process.

Over the years, Obama administration officials have described Netanyahu to me as recalcitrant, myopic, reactionary, obtuse, blustering, pompous, and “Aspergery.” (These are verbatim descriptions; I keep a running list.) But I had not previously heard Netanyahu described as a “chickenshit.” I thought I appreciated the implication of this description, but it turns out I didn’t have a full understanding. From time to time, current and former administration officials have described Netanyahu as a national leader who acts as though he is mayor of Jerusalem, which is to say, a no-vision small-timer who worries mainly about pleasing the hardest core of his political constituency. (President Obama, in interviews with me, has alluded to Netanyahu’s lack of political courage.)

“The good thing about Netanyahu is that he’s scared to launch wars,” the official said, expanding the definition of what a chickenshit Israeli prime minister looks like. “The bad thing about him is that he won’t do anything to reach an accommodation with the Palestinians or with the Sunni Arab states. The only thing he’s interested in is protecting himself from political defeat. He’s not [Yitzhak] Rabin, he’s not [Ariel] Sharon, he’s certainly no [Menachem] Begin. He’s got no guts.”

I ran this notion by another senior official who deals with the Israel file regularly. This official agreed that Netanyahu is a “chickenshit” on matters related to the comatose peace process, but added that he’s also a “coward” on the issue of Iran’s nuclear threat. The official said the Obama administration no longer believes that Netanyahu would launch a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities in order to keep the regime in Tehran from building an atomic arsenal. “It’s too late for him to do anything. Two, three years ago, this was a possibility. But ultimately he couldn’t bring himself to pull the trigger. It was a combination of our pressure and his own unwillingness to do anything dramatic. Now it’s too late.”

This assessment represents a momentous shift in the way the Obama administration sees Netanyahu. In 2010, and again in 2012, administration officials were convinced that Netanyahu and his then-defense minister, the cowboyish ex-commando Ehud Barak, were readying a strike on Iran. To be sure, the Obama administration used the threat of an Israeli strike in a calculated way to convince its allies (and some of its adversaries) to line up behind what turned out to be an effective sanctions regime. But the fear inside the White House of a preemptive attack (or preventative attack, to put it more accurately) was real and palpable—as was the fear of dissenters inside Netanyahu’s Cabinet, and at Israel Defense Forces headquarters. At U.S. Central Command headquarters in Tampa, analysts kept careful track of weather patterns and of the waxing and waning moon over Iran, trying to predict the exact night of the coming Israeli attack.

Today, there are few such fears. “The feeling now is that Bibi’s bluffing,” this second official said. “He’s not Begin at Osirak,” the official added, referring to the successful 1981 Israeli Air Force raid ordered by the ex-prime minister on Iraq’s nuclear reactor.

The belief that Netanyahu’s threat to strike is now an empty one has given U.S. officials room to breathe in their ongoing negotiations with Iran. You might think that this new understanding of Netanyahu as a hyper-cautious leader would make the administration somewhat grateful. Sober-minded Middle East leaders are not so easy to come by these days, after all. But on a number of other issues, Netanyahu does not seem sufficiently sober-minded.

Another manifestation of his chicken-shittedness, in the view of Obama administration officials, is his near-pathological desire for career-preservation. Netanyahu’s government has in recent days gone out of its way to a) let the world know that it will quicken the pace of apartment-building in disputed areas of East Jerusalem; and b) let everyone know of its contempt for the Obama administration and its understanding of the Middle East. Settlement expansion, and the insertion of right-wing Jewish settlers into Arab areas of East Jerusalem, are clear signals by Netanyahu to his political base, in advance of possible elections next year, that he is still with them, despite his rhetorical commitment to a two-state solution. The public criticism of Obama policies is simultaneously heartfelt, and also designed to mobilize the base.

Just yesterday, Netanyahu criticized those who condemn Israeli expansion plans in East Jerusalem as “disconnected from reality.” This statement was clearly directed at the State Department, whose spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, had earlier said that, “if Israel wants to live in a peaceful society, they need to take steps that will reduce tensions. Moving forward with this sort of action would be incompatible with the pursuit of peace.”

It is the Netanyahu government that appears to be disconnected from reality. Jerusalem is on the verge of exploding into a third Palestinian uprising. It is true that Jews have a moral right to live anywhere they want in Jerusalem, their holiest city. It is also true that a mature government understands that not all rights have to be exercised simultaneously. Palestinians believe, not without reason, that the goal of planting Jewish residents in all-Arab neighborhoods is not integration, but domination—to make it as difficult as possible for a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem to ever emerge.

Unlike the U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry, I don’t have any hope for the immediate creation of a Palestinian state (it could be dangerous, at this chaotic moment in Middle East history, when the Arab-state system is in partial collapse, to create an Arab state on the West Bank that could easily succumb to extremism), but I would also like to see Israel foster conditions on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem that would allow for the eventual birth of such a state. This is what the Obama administration wants (and also what Europe wants, and also, by the way, what many Israelis and American Jews want), and this issue sits at the core of the disagreement between Washington and Jerusalem.

Israel and the U.S., like all close allies, have disagreed from time to time on important issues. But I don’t remember such a period of sustained and mutual contempt. Much of the anger felt by Obama administration officials is rooted in the Netanyahu government’s periodic explosions of anti-American condescension. The Israeli defense minister, Moshe Ya’alon, in particular, has publicly castigated the Obama administration as naive, or worse, on matters related to U.S. policy in the Middle East. Last week, senior officials including Kerry (who was labeled as “obsessive” and “messianic” by Ya’alon) and Susan Rice, the national security advisor, refused to meet with Ya’alon on his trip to Washington, and it’s hard to blame them. (Kerry, the U.S. official most often targeted for criticism by right-wing Israeli politicians, is the only remaining figure of importance in the Obama administration who still believes that Netanyahu is capable of making bold compromises, which might explain why he’s been targeted.)

One of the more notable aspects of the current tension between Israel and the U.S. is the unease felt by mainstream American Jewish leaders about recent Israeli government behavior. “The Israelis do not show sufficient appreciation for America’s role in backing Israel, economically, militarily and politically,” Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, told me. (UPDATE: Foxman just e-mailed me this statement: "The quote is accurate, but the context is wrong. I was referring to what troubles this administration about Israel, not what troubles leaders in the American Jewish community.")

What does all this unhappiness mean for the near future? For one thing, it means that Netanyahu—who has preemptively “written off” the Obama administration—will almost certainly have a harder time than usual making his case against a potentially weak Iran nuclear deal, once he realizes that writing off the administration was an unwise thing to do.

This also means that the post-November White House will be much less interested in defending Israel from hostile resolutions at the United Nations, where Israel is regularly scapegoated. The Obama administration may be looking to make Israel pay direct costs for its settlement policies.

Next year, the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, will quite possibly seek full UN recognition for Palestine. I imagine that the U.S. will still try to block such a move in the Security Council, but it might do so by helping to craft a stridently anti-settlement resolution in its place. Such a resolution would isolate Israel from the international community.

It would also be unsurprising, post-November, to see the Obama administration take a step Netanyahu is loath to see it take: a public, full lay-down of the administration’s vision for a two-state solution, including maps delineating Israel’s borders. These borders, to Netanyahu's horror, would be based on 1967 lines, with significant West Bank settlement blocs attached to Israel in exchange for swapped land elsewhere. Such a lay-down would make explicit to Israel what the U.S. expects of it.

Netanyahu, and the even more hawkish ministers around him, seem to have decided that their short-term political futures rest on a platform that can be boiled down to this formula: “The whole world is against us. Only we can protect Israel from what’s coming.” For an Israeli public traumatized by Hamas violence and anti-Semitism, and by fear that the chaos and brutality of the Arab world will one day sweep over them, this formula has its charms.

But for Israel’s future as an ally of the United States, this formula is a disaster.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Could you imagine if someone in Bibi's cabinet told a reporter that Obama is a piece of shit? Of course not. Nobody needs to be told that to know it.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Finally, a bit of unfiltered truth out of the Obama Administration. :clap:

Now, if they'd just get serious about targeted tax breaks for small business owners...
 
If Jimmy Carter the most rapport President ever couldn't solve the problem between Israel/Palestine, no President will bee able too.

Solution, sell weapons to both sides and let them kill each other until last standing wins.
 
If Jimmy Carter the most rapport President ever couldn't solve the problem between Israel/Palestine, no President will bee able too.

Solution, sell weapons to both sides and let them kill each other until last standing wins.

No more foreign aid either. How much money do we throw down the toilet? And for what?

I agree; if they want to kill each other let them have at it. Leave America out of it though. Big Daddy has left the building to leave the rugrats to their own devices.
 
No more foreign aid either. How much money do we throw down the toilet? And for what?

I agree; if they want to kill each other let them have at it. Leave America out of it though. Big Daddy has left the building to leave the rugrats to their own devices.

Too much sending money on a mess that the British started.
 
Too much sending money on a mess that the British started.

We all have our cross to bear in supporting Israel unconditionally. We can't change what has been done but we can get a spine and become aware of how we should continue. Americans for America. Our security and our families come first.

At least I can figure out why Great Britain is our friend and ally.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
We all have our cross to bear in supporting Israel unconditionally. We can't change what has been done but we can get a spine and become aware of how we should continue. Americans for America. Our security and our families come first.

At least I can figure out why Great Britain is our friend and ally.

I think that this is the key issue that the most of western countries have to acknowledge now. Being supportive UNCONDITIONALLY is just pouring gasoline into the fire, literary.

Ask yourself: If your child has serious trouble with neighbours, goes and defends itself, and in the process kills 7 out of ten people who are bystanders and children - do you stay on his side by keeping to bring it ammo and money? Or do you say, sorry, this is the last straw, I have no part in this, I am out?

As long as the israel government knows we are with them right or wrong, there is almost zero incentive to NOT try to solve this by violence.
 
As long as the israel government knows we are with them right or wrong, there is almost zero incentive to NOT try to solve this by violence.

Yep. Why play by the rules if we in America will help them at the UN also?

How is Germany as far as Israel? You guys couldn't be supporting them unconditionally like us. I hope not. Time to push away from any shame and manipulation they try to shovel onto both of our countries. You and me were both born with a clean slate. Neither of us owe them anything.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Yep. Why play by the rules if we in America will help them at the UN also?

How is Germany as far as Israel? You guys couldn't be supporting them unconditionally like us. I hope not. Time to push away from any shame and manipulation they try to shovel onto both of our countries. You and me were both born with a clean slate. Neither of us owe them anything.

Sadly no german politician who has interest of staying or getting in office would dare to offend Israel more than saying, 'That was very unfortunate' or along those lines. The Shoa Card still strong.

Here in Kiel, we are building the Israelis three superadvanced submarines (Yes, of course fit to handle nuclear warheads, too) and OF COURSE, they get a 30% off the price.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
No more foreign aid either. How much money do we throw down the toilet? And for what?

I agree; if they want to kill each other let them have at it. Leave America out of it though. Big Daddy has left the building to leave the rugrats to their own devices.

I'm with ya on that. But (only) in the case of Israel, we can't go there. Their aid is written into U.S. law. When (not if) we stop paying elderly, retired Americans their Social Security benefits, that they EARNED, we will still have to pay our little beggar pals in Israel according to the edicts of the Cranston Amendment. Hey, the most powerful lobby in the world paid for it, so I guess they made a wise investment on that effort. Until the end of time, or America... whichever comes first, we have to loan Israel at least enough money each year to make their loan payments to us. This is the primary reason that when someone yaps that Israel has never been late on a payment, I say, "well, I certainly hope the fuck they haven't... being that WE give them the money to make the payments too!!!" :hairpull:

Al Cranston is buried somewhere in California, I do believe. I didn't have time the last time I was out there a few months ago... but the next time I'm out that way, I will make time to swing by and spit on Al Cranston's grave. I would attempt to twerk on his bed of dirt, but I have a bad knee... plus some neocon would probably see me and call the po-po.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
You're too young to have anything to do with that. You're as innocent as I am. I didn't own one slave or kill one Indian myself either. The cycle of manipulation must end.

Absolutely. A change is coming, I think, but it will take some more generations, I am afraid
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Absolutely. A change is coming, I think, but it will take some more generations, I am afraid

You're more hopeful than I am. Maybe in Europe it will. But here, if there happens to be any talk by libertarians about reducing ALL foreign aid, all of a sudden (and out of the blue? ;)) there will be a plethora of movies to guilt and scare the sheeple among us. What movies? Oh... well, Schindler's List and Sophie's Choice are always good/effective ones from awhile back. For a good second act, we get other golden oldies like Europa Europa and Exodus. And now days we have Inglourious Basterds. And in case the parents can't keep their minds thinking the "right way", their kids will be shown (or will read) The Diary of Anne Frank at school.

Here's the problem, as I see it... as you can see among the Zionists on this board, Zionism gets linked to Judaism at every turn. And that has been an effective strategy over time... so it keeps getting used. Hell, I'd do it too. I firmly believe in keeping on with what works til it stops working. But since it is just a plain fact that Judaism and Zionism are not one and the same, it really is incredibly disingenuous to make out those who do not support Zionism to be some sort of Nazi loving, hate-filled monsters who have pictures of Hitler on their bedroom walls. But by spreading a global guilt trip whenever Israel wants to fill its pockets with shekels or be let off the hook for abusing and/or murdering people (or back during the arms embargo when they were selling arms to South Africa that we GAVE them!) or seizing land that's not theirs when they agreed not to (and took our money in exchange for not stealing any more land)... see, there are those among us who are sick & tired of this bullshit. I truly don't give two shits about what happens to Israel... as long as I can some day get them out of my wallet!

Israeli: But...but...but... have you read The Diary of Anne Frank?
Me: Yeah, I have. Back in high school. Terrible thing. But I had nothing to do with it. And so, no, I'm not giving you any (more) of my money.
Israeli: So you love Hitler, huh? You're a Nazi, huh? You're an anti-Semite, huh?
Me: Go fuck yourself with a sharp wooden spoon. As far as I know, the Palestinians are generally considered to be Semites too. And I'm not giving them any money either.
Israeli: OK, so just lend me a dollar at 0% interest then.
Me: I'll do it for 10%. But still, how will you pay me back?
Israeli: Well, of course, you will need to loan me the money to make those payments (and also pay me interest on the money I've borrowed from you but haven't accepted yet).
Me: Ah, I see. So I'd pay you to borrow money from me, huh? OK then, Shecky... I think we're done here. I ain't no Palestinian teenager with his hands tied behind his back. So I'm gonna give you about five seconds to get through that door before I go Roman on your little ass. Capice?!
Israeli: *running away* You cheap Nazi bastard!!!
Me: Uh, I suggest you talk less and run faster. This Weatherby will definitely "catch you" unless you make it out to about 800 yards... and there ain't no wind blowin' today, son.


See, that's my idea of a happy story for the kiddies. :)
 
I'm with ya on that. But (only) in the case of Israel, we can't go there. Their aid is written into U.S. law. When (not if) we stop paying elderly, retired Americans their Social Security benefits, that they EARNED, we will still have to pay our little beggar pals in Israel according to the edicts of the Cranston Amendment. Hey, the most powerful lobby in the world paid for it, so I guess they made a wise investment on that effort. Until the end of time, or America... whichever comes first, we have to loan Israel at least enough money each year to make their loan payments to us. This is the primary reason that when someone yaps that Israel has never been late on a payment, I say, "well, I certainly hope the fuck they haven't... being that WE give them the money to make the payments too!!!" :hairpull:

Al Cranston is buried somewhere in California, I do believe. I didn't have time the last time I was out there a few months ago... but the next time I'm out that way, I will make time to swing by and spit on Al Cranston's grave. I would attempt to twerk on his bed of dirt, but I have a bad knee... plus some neocon would probably see me and call the po-po.

As a friendly Californian I'll offer you a ride.

You're more hopeful than I am. Maybe in Europe it will. But here, if there happens to be any talk by libertarians about reducing ALL foreign aid, all of a sudden (and out of the blue? ;)) there will be a plethora of movies to guilt and scare the sheeple among us. What movies? Oh... well, Schindler's List and Sophie's Choice are always good/effective ones from awhile back. For a good second act, we get other golden oldies like Europa Europa and Exodus. And now days we have Inglourious Basterds. And in case the parents can't keep their minds thinking the "right way", their kids will be shown (or will read) The Diary of Anne Frank at school.

Here's the problem, as I see it... as you can see among the Zionists on this board, Zionism gets linked to Judaism at every turn. And that has been an effective strategy over time... so it keeps getting used. Hell, I'd do it too. I firmly believe in keeping on with what works til it stops working. But since it is just a plain fact that Judaism and Zionism are not one and the same, it really is incredibly disingenuous to make out those who do not support Zionism to be some sort of Nazi loving, hate-filled monsters who have pictures of Hitler on their bedroom walls. But by spreading a global guilt trip whenever Israel wants to fill its pockets with shekels or be let off the hook for abusing and/or murdering people (or back during the arms embargo when they were selling arms to South Africa that we GAVE them!) or seizing land that's not theirs when they agreed not to (and took our money in exchange for not stealing any more land)... see, there are those among us who are sick & tired of this bullshit. I truly don't give two shits about what happens to Israel... as long as I can some day get them out of my wallet!

Israeli: But...but...but... have you read The Diary of Anne Frank?
Me: Yeah, I have. Back in high school. Terrible thing. But I had nothing to do with it. And so, no, I'm not giving you any (more) of my money.
Israeli: So you love Hitler, huh? You're a Nazi, huh? You're an anti-Semite, huh?
Me: Go fuck yourself with a sharp wooden spoon. As far as I know, the Palestinians are generally considered to be Semites too. And I'm not giving them any money either.
Israeli: OK, so just lend me a dollar at 0% interest then.
Me: I'll do it for 10%. But still, how will you pay me back?
Israeli: Well, of course, you will need to loan me the money to make those payments (and also pay me interest on the money I've borrowed from you but haven't accepted yet).
Me: Ah, I see. So I'd pay you to borrow money from me, huh? OK then, Shecky... I think we're done here. I ain't no Palestinian teenager with his hands tied behind his back. So I'm gonna give you about five seconds to get through that door before I go Roman on your little ass. Capice?!
Israeli: *running away* You cheap Nazi bastard!!!
Me: Uh, I suggest you talk less and run faster. This Weatherby will definitely "catch you" unless you make it out to about 800 yards... and there ain't no wind blowin' today, son.


See, that's my idea of a happy story for the kiddies. :)

Good also. The manipulation must come to an end.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Netanahu pushing very bigoted bullshit, throwing multiple very different muslim groups in one pot, pulling the NAZI card again

 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Well, there goes my bonus check! Damn, I was hoping I could buy a set of BBS wheels for my car. Ya know, a little Christmas present from me for me. But shit! Looks like I'll need to just transfer it over to Tel Aviv for whatever it is that they need now. What is it that they need now, anyway? Some bricks & mortar to build some more illegal settlements on the West Bank? Are we going to play that game again where we buy you the bricks & mortar and then we pay you to abandon the illegal settlements and then you sell the stolen land back to the people ya stole it from... and then you steal it back again and move back in the houses we paid for???

Good ol' Nut & Yahoo. Just squeal "Nazi" three or four time and the U.S. Congress empties our pockets and sends the duckets to their pals (bosses) in Israel. Damn nation, ya gotta luv it. Ya really do! :facepalm:
 
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